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BangersInMyKnickers posted:Terrorists Turned My House In To A DogOven
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shutting off the ac and killing grandma sounds like the sort of thing you shouldn't be able to do via internet
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Jul 21, 2017 23:29
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flakeloaf posted:shutting off the ac and killing grandma sounds like the sort of thing you shouldn't be able to do via internet depends what the will says dont it
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Jul 21, 2017 23:35
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flakeloaf posted:
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Jul 22, 2017 00:21
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flakeloaf posted:shutting off the ac and killing grandma sounds like the sort of thing you shouldn't be able to do via internet otoh a good boomer is a dead boomer
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Jul 22, 2017 00:22
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i missed the boat, why are we supposed to be hating baby boomers again
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Jul 22, 2017 01:01
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you missed the whole goddamn fleet
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Jul 22, 2017 01:12
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baby boomers as a generation have destroyed the economy for every following generation google end the boomers millenial paul
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Jul 22, 2017 01:26
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maybe that's why i missed the not through lack of trying to learn mind you but the insane chains of cause and effect continually elude me
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Jul 22, 2017 01:29
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got my poc||gtfo bible today, it looks loving fantastic. time to read a bunch of papers about doing cool poo poo with computers that I'm too dumb to understand
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Jul 22, 2017 01:31
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Ciaphas posted:maybe that's why i missed the well there you go anyway this all doesnt belong here & Lain doesnt like when we talk politics in the secfuck thread (& i agree with her) so check out the tech bubble thread if youre into that
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Jul 22, 2017 01:35
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just wanna quote this poo poomrmcd posted:Krebs: You know why I respect you so much, Tavis?
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Jul 22, 2017 01:36
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maskenfreiheit posted:i read a story somewhere about a casino or bar or something w/ a keno machine that they kept turning off at night, every morning it would reset w/ same seed Aren't gambling machines with real money one of the least likely to be a sec gently caress up since the company that provides them, and not the casino, are responsible for the payouts?
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Jul 22, 2017 01:42
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no idea who pays out (i assume the host at least gets a cut) anyway just recently they caught those guys who figured out the PNRG, dunno if it was the same story. i think they were caught cause their guys kept just standing in front of the machines with mesh holes in their shirts, for their phones to relay the details so the backend crew could figure out what play to go for https://www.wired.com/2017/02/russians-engineer-brilliant-slot-machine-cheat-casinos-no-fix/
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Jul 22, 2017 01:52
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:Aren't gambling machines with real money one of the least likely to be a sec gently caress up since the company that provides them, and not the casino, are responsible for the payouts? apparently the manual said don't shut it off but they didn't read it [shrugging intensifies]
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Jul 22, 2017 02:32
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but seriously lol if they dont store the seed/iteration in some kinda non-volatile memory. loving amateur hour
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Jul 22, 2017 02:45
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Powaqoatse posted:but seriously lol if they dont store the seed/iteration in some kinda non-volatile memory. loving amateur hour They probably had a script to save the state when the machine is powered down, which doesn't help much if someone is just pulling the plug.
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Jul 22, 2017 02:50
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pairofdimes posted:They probably had a script to save the state when the machine is powered down, which doesn't help much if someone is just pulling the plug. lol yea that sounds likely
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Jul 22, 2017 02:52
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pairofdimes posted:They probably had a script to save the state when the machine is powered down, which doesn't help much if someone is just pulling the plug. I'm not a crypto/gambling expert, but even the pokemon games have a prng that is based on the embedded clock and doesn't reset on power-loss. So if that keno machine is reseting on power-loss, I doubt they do anything that "sophisticated". Also thanks Pokespergs. This is cool information : https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pseudorandom_number_generation_in_Pok%C3%A9mon
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Jul 22, 2017 04:06
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most casino machines aren't required to be as random as possible, they're instead designed to meet standards of payback rates if applicable, and standards of "the user can't literally just push some hidden key combo and always win" at all times. sometimes ensuring that say slot machines meet a state's "minimum 95% money in is returned to a customer" laws might require the machine to periodically cheat in the favor of whoever's standing in front of it when it notices that its payout rate over an audit term is too low. having it come up in a known prng state might even have been handy for being able to perform tests showing that it was in compliance.
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Jul 22, 2017 04:23
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:I'm not a crypto/gambling expert, but even the pokemon games have a prng that is based on the embedded clock and doesn't reset on power-loss. So if that keno machine is reseting on power-loss, I doubt they do anything that "sophisticated". a prng based on the clock isn't very good at all at least use the LSBs from an adc to see a prng or something
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Jul 22, 2017 04:24
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hobbesmaster posted:a prng based on the clock isn't very good at all 
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fishmech posted:most casino machines aren't required to be as random as possible, they're instead designed to meet standards of payback rates if applicable, and standards of "the user can't literally just push some hidden key combo and always win" at all times. sometimes ensuring that say slot machines meet a state's "minimum 95% money in is returned to a customer" laws might require the machine to periodically cheat in the favor of whoever's standing in front of it when it notices that its payout rate over an audit term is too low. ya i dont know the exact implementation either but here they p much all advertise "88% returns!" like its a good thing. i mean is legally mandated & also it obv means that youll lose 12% so why bother. i guess there's some kind of mechanism that keeps the payout percentage correct. I've heard tales of dudes just sitting & waiting as the casuals come in & play, then after the casuals leave they get up and play to get the payout but idk
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Jul 22, 2017 04:48
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Powaqoatse posted:ya i dont know the exact implementation either but here they p much all advertise "88% returns!" like its a good thing. i mean is legally mandated & also it obv means that youll lose 12% so why bother. i guess if you know the maximum amount of time the thing can go without "correcting" and sit there for a long loving time and watch someone else play it and total up how much that person has won diligently and happen to get lucky that the thing doesn't actually give them a good payout you might be able to game it a bit
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Jul 22, 2017 04:54
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ate all the Oreos posted:i guess if you know the maximum amount of time the thing can go without "correcting" and sit there for a long loving time and watch someone else play it and total up how much that person has won diligently and happen to get lucky that the thing doesn't actually give them a good payout you might be able to game it a bit yea thats what i think they do but i have no idea. one time i noticed an unattended blinking machine in amsterdam & just hit a button and some guy got super pissed for ruining the whole thing. dude was sitting a table away.
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Jul 22, 2017 04:57
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Powaqoatse posted:yea thats what i think they do but i have no idea. that's literally what my dad did and he came home with some very fat stacks he also lost a pile of cash, a marriage, two businesses and a house to that sort of hubris and spent his last lucid moments trying to negotiate a trip to the loving casino so take that for what it's worth
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Jul 22, 2017 05:16
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I think I'd rather be addicted to heroin than gambling
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Jul 22, 2017 05:49
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flakeloaf posted:that's literally what my dad did and he came home with some very fat stacks I've literally never seen anyone who could do that consistently without having utterly ruined their life.
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Jul 22, 2017 05:51
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FAT32 SHAMER posted:I think I'd rather be addicted to heroin than gambling same but booze instead of heroin. seems cheaper.
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Jul 22, 2017 05:54
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flakeloaf posted:that's literally what my dad did and he came home with some very fat stacks ack. sorry man :/ one of my great grandparents won the state lottery & so he thought he could be a business guy. he lost everything too. thats far enough removed that its just a dumbass anecdote though.
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Jul 22, 2017 05:56
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Powaqoatse posted:no idea who pays out (i assume the host at least gets a cut) obviously exploiting oversights in the code but the article keeps calling it cheating and I fail to see how it's cheating
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Jul 22, 2017 07:20
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A Pinball Wizard posted:obviously exploiting oversights in the code but the article keeps calling it cheating and I fail to see how it's cheating as far as gambling companies are concerned, playing any game well enough to beat the house edge consistently is cheating - cf card counting there might even be something to that definition when you're talking about games of (supposed) pure chance like slot machines, especially as (in the uk at least) they're legally not supposed to have any skill component whatsoever - that is fruit machines are in a completely different legal category from quiz machines, with completely different rules on payouts and where they're allowed to be installed.
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Jul 22, 2017 07:48
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didn't someone internet poker get legalized because lobbyists got it classified as a game of skill instead of a game of chance or something like that
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Jul 22, 2017 08:07
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Yeah and I think it was the same with fantasy football?
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Powaqoatse posted:ya i dont know the exact implementation either but here they p much all advertise "88% returns!" like its a good thing. i mean is legally mandated & also it obv means that youll lose 12% so why bother. The 88% is over all players not individual players, so it doesn't mean you'll lose 12%. You can easily lose 100% or gain 100% When I worked as a bar man the regulars complained about one of the other staff playing the machine because he would be able to watch it all day, see them losing their money and then jump on and clean it out. It is possible to make bank if you are able to watch the machine for hours, learn the behaviour so that you know when it's going to pay out a jackpot.
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jre posted:The 88% is over all players not individual players, so it doesn't mean you'll lose 12%. You can easily lose 100% or gain 100% duh no poo poo jre posted:When I worked as a bar man the regulars complained about one of the other staff playing the machine because he would be able to watch it all day, see them losing their money and then jump on and clean it out. It is possible to make bank if you are able to watch the machine for hours, learn the behaviour so that you know when it's going to pay out a jackpot. often it gets to be a lovely hourly though A Pinball Wizard posted:obviously exploiting oversights in the code but the article keeps calling it cheating and I fail to see how it's cheating i think the law in most countries is that its not cheating if you dont manipulate the game itself. its ok to try and figure out if the roullette wheel bearing is off center like that guy did. its not ok to put your hand on the wheel. counting cards is ok too etc. observing "flaws" in a game and then using them is totally fine. but obviously the casinos will ban you once they figure out that youre exploiting a flaw in their systems & theyll try to fix that flaw. but even perfect card counting only gets you close to 50/50 & you need a huge bankroll to make it work Carthag Tuek fucked around with this message at 10:36 on Jul 22, 2017 |
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Jul 22, 2017 10:34
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Powaqoatse posted:it obv means that youll lose 12% so why bother. Powaqoatse posted:duh no poo poo Duh no poo poo to something you obviously didn't know ?
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Jul 22, 2017 10:42
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jre posted:Duh no poo poo to something you obviously didn't know ? alright, clarification: "lose 12% in the long run"
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Powaqoatse posted:i think the law in most countries is that its not cheating if you dont manipulate the game itself. its ok to try and figure out if the roullette wheel bearing is off center like that guy did. its not ok to put your hand on the wheel. counting cards is ok too etc. yeah that's what I mean, the article is real quick to jump to CHEATERS cleaning out a poor innocent casino and it's weird and dumb e. ok the government was too I guess but I still don't see it, they basically just tas'ed the slot machine A Pinball Wizard fucked around with this message at 11:42 on Jul 22, 2017 |
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