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bushisms.txt
May 26, 2004

Scroll, then. There are other posts than these.


Idahoant posted:

I think maybe people are just burned out on the Transformers movies, you can only sit through so many overlong, deafening, muddled films before you start to just dread them.

Did you see this movie? I love bad movies, and enjoy the other four transformers for what they are mainly because of this thread, but the last Knight is aggressively bad. Like if you think it's just stagnation for why it's not doing as well, and you've seen the movie, I have to guess you have no actually gauge of quality when it comes to film. The last Knight is suicide squad level of nonsensical editing, which is ironic, because it's SS gathering scene is better than "Ayer's" lovely take.

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Cafe Barbarian
Apr 22, 2016

There's one roulade I can't sing

bushisms.txt posted:

Did you see this movie?

I haven't. I saw the first three in the theater but now I'm in wait for TV mode. AoE, and really all of the sequels, have been dreadful slogs for me, to some degree. But I really can't get excited for a movie after AoE. I think a lot of people feel the same going by the box office.

I have no doubt that Bay is an incredibly talented director, but I suspect he is more interested in staging spectacular set pieces than in constructing engaging films or film series. And he can stage a spectacular set piece better than anyone (except George Miller).

I think the writers are letting him down and I have grown to dislike the way the movies discard the human (and robot) characters. I don't exactly miss Sam, or Mikaela, or Sam's parents, or Carly, or Tessa, or Shane, or Joshua Joyce, but I don't like Cade Yaeger much either and I think continuity can help a movie series remain engaging.

RedSpider
May 12, 2017

The Last Knight will make just over half of what Age of Extinction made. Holy poo poo.

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

sucks to be right

RedSpider posted:

The Last Knight will make just over half of what Age of Extinction made. Holy poo poo.

... and AoE only made just over half of what Revenge of the Fallen made domestically:


http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/c...ransformers-The

Spider-Man: Homecoming's 3 day total is about the same as Last Knight's 3 week total.

JediTalentAgent
Jun 5, 2005
Hey, look. Look, if- if you screw me on this, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine, you rat bastard!
If it does well enough internationally, they might just keep churning them out with a reduced budget and more focus on the international market.

I do sort of think that all these films feel like they don't even know where they want to take the franchise. I'm sort of certain that if the first few GI Joe and Transformers films had been in development AFTER Avengers came out, we'd be seeing a much different push for a shared universe right from the start with the films, probably MASK thrown in there, too.

The MSJ
May 17, 2010

The Bumblebee movie received a $22 million tax break from California, meaning that the movie will be filmed entirely in the state.

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

sucks to be right

The MSJ posted:

The Bumblebee movie received a $22 million tax break from California, meaning that the movie will be filmed entirely in the state.

I wonder if there's any places in California that could stand in for the Chinese landscape

Gatts
Jan 2, 2001

Goodnight Moon

Nap Ghost

Snowglobe of Doom posted:

I wonder if there's any places in California that could stand in for the Chinese landscape

So basically the entire film is supposed to take place in front of that one theater that looks Asian?

MH Knights
Aug 4, 2007

Snowglobe of Doom posted:

I wonder if there's any places in California that could stand in for the Chinese landscape

Ask the people who the original MacGyver, they used California as a stand in for the entire world.

K. Waste
Feb 27, 2014

MORAL:
To the vector belong the spoils.

Gatts posted:

So basically the entire film is supposed to take place in front of that one theater that looks Asian?

Turns out that theater WAS A TRANSFORMER ALL ALONG

Milkfred E. Moore
Aug 27, 2006

'It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.'

RedSpider posted:

The Last Knight will make just over half of what Age of Extinction made. Holy poo poo.

It's not too surprising, really. Like I said, crazy film but fails to deliver on the pulse-pounding spectacle that these films are known for.

What's surprising about this film, to me, is how heavily the marketing was leaning on phrases like 'The Final Chapter" and "See How It All Ends" when this film is maybe the one Transformers film that is most obviously set up for a sequel.

Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002


Snowglobe of Doom posted:

... and AoE only made just over half of what Revenge of the Fallen made domestically:


http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/c...ransformers-The

Spider-Man: Homecoming's 3 day total is about the same as Last Knight's 3 week total.

AoE did gangbusters worldwide though and (looking at WW numbers) is the 2nd highest grossing movie of the 5. TLK sits dead last and i don't think it'll even reach Transformers 1 numbers.

Series is super loving dead unless Bumblebee somehow turns out to be good. A smaller scale movie with a smaller cast and focus should help tremendously.

The MSJ
May 17, 2010

Happy Noodle Boy posted:

Series is super loving dead unless Bumblebee somehow turns out to be good. A smaller scale movie with a smaller cast and focus should help tremendously.

They did say the movie will have fewer robots and so far the only actor I recognize is Hailee Steinfeld, in addition to the whole movie being shot in California.

evilmiera
Dec 14, 2009

Status: Ravenously Rambunctious

The MSJ posted:

They did say the movie will have fewer robots and so far the only actor I recognize is Hailee Steinfeld, in addition to the whole movie being shot in California.

As much as I loathe these movies, what they need is not fewer robots and more humans.

The MSJ
May 17, 2010

The Bumblebee movie will have a $70 million budget.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/li...e-films-1022310

Small Strange Bird
Sep 22, 2006

Merci, chaton!

The MSJ posted:

The Bumblebee movie will have a $70 million budget.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/li...e-films-1022310
That seems pretty low for a movie where the title character is CGI. Guess he'll be in vehicle mode as often as possible.

(The first movie had a budget more than twice that, a decade ago, and had CGI robots on screen for less than a quarter of its running time.)

Xenomrph
Dec 9, 2005

AvP Nerd/Fanboy/Shill



Has CGI gotten more affordable over time? Computer technology prices always trend downward over time.

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

¡Hola SEA!


Xenomrph posted:

Has CGI gotten more affordable over time? Computer technology prices always trend downward over time.

Hard to say because movie budgets and tech salaries/contracts are both 85% bullshit

Small Strange Bird
Sep 22, 2006

Merci, chaton!

Xenomrph posted:

Has CGI gotten more affordable over time? Computer technology prices always trend downward over time.
Computers have got more powerful over the past decade, sure, but the level of quality that's become "acceptable" has gone up, so the amount of work and render time is probably about the same. CG still needs a lot of massaging to fit in with live-action if you don't want it to look like Jumanji, and that costs money.

The MSJ
May 17, 2010

Now this is an intriguing piece of concept art.

Snowman_McK
Jan 31, 2010

Payndz posted:

Computers have got more powerful over the past decade, sure, but the level of quality that's become "acceptable" has gone up, so the amount of work and render time is probably about the same. CG still needs a lot of massaging to fit in with live-action if you don't want it to look like Jumanji, and that costs money.

There's also probably a factor that, as the tools have gotten more widespread, there's more info on what works and what doesn't, and so they learn how to use those tools better.

Mat Cauthon
Jan 2, 2006

The more tragic things get,
the more I feel like laughing.



The MSJ posted:

Now this is an intriguing piece of concept art.



Shame that we'll never get a Beast Wars movie in the vein of the original series (i.e no humans, just robot battling on prehistoric Earth) because this is :perfect:

Milkfred E. Moore
Aug 27, 2006

'It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.'
Looking at the TFwiki, there were a lot of dialogue changes between the international and English versions of the film.

well why not
Feb 10, 2009




The MSJ posted:

Now this is an intriguing piece of concept art.



awesome design, but it needs a red/blue Fieri paintjob

Gatts
Jan 2, 2001

Goodnight Moon

Nap Ghost

The MSJ posted:

Now this is an intriguing piece of concept art.



Looks fantastic. Would be great for TF 6.

Calaveron
Aug 7, 2006
:negative:
Just do updated Beast Wars toys

The MSJ
May 17, 2010

Milky Moor posted:

Looking at the TFwiki, there were a lot of dialogue changes between the international and English versions of the film.

Nitro Zeus actually had two voice actors with different lines even in US releases.

Calaveron posted:

Just do updated Beast Wars toys

Hasbro and Takara actually a made number of them between the mid-2000s and now, including Masterpiece versions of Primal and Cheetor and a likely new Primal in the new toyline next year based on him winning the fan vote.

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

Unable to deal with it


Grimey Drawer
The 90s generation that grew up with Beast Wars is hitting 30 now so there will be more references to that stuff coming probably

Calaveron
Aug 7, 2006
:negative:

Tighclops posted:

The 90s generation that grew up with Beast Wars is hitting 30 now so there will be more references to that stuff coming probably

gently caress yes we are
Code of Hero that poo poo up

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!

JediTalentAgent posted:

If it does well enough internationally, they might just keep churning them out with a reduced budget and more focus on the international market.

I do sort of think that all these films feel like they don't even know where they want to take the franchise. I'm sort of certain that if the first few GI Joe and Transformers films had been in development AFTER Avengers came out, we'd be seeing a much different push for a shared universe right from the start with the films, probably MASK thrown in there, too.

I've always wondered what it would have been like had Michael Bay and Stephen Sommers swapped directing roles on Transformers and G.I. Joe. Sommers is the big creature effects guy, having helmed stuff like The Mummy and the 1994 Jungle Book. And G.I. Joe would have given Bay the largest canvas possible on which to paint his military porn. It almost feels like each director was better suited to the opposite franchise.

The MSJ
May 17, 2010

http://www.acting-auditions.org/transformers-bumblebee-casting-calls/

A casting call for the Bumblebee movie. Not just for actors, but also cars [insert Avengers joke here].

quote:

CAR CASTING: Additional compensation paid for late 70’s – mid 80’s CARS to be parked in scenes (no yellow, white, red or black cars)

The car colors matches the alleged set pictures showing yellow, black and red cars: http://news.tfw2005.com/2017/07/28/transformers-universe-bumblebee-casting-call-reveals-possible-movie-info-345765

Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002


Wow Transformers is enforcing car color racism? Shameful.

Milkfred E. Moore
Aug 27, 2006

'It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.'
The showdown between Megatron and Prime in TF5 isn't even forty seconds long. :psyduck:

RedSpider
May 12, 2017

https://twitter.com/JohnCena/status/892091741322588160

lmfao

The MSJ
May 17, 2010

U cannot see him because he is in disguise. I mean, he did star in a cartoon movie recently so Cena could be voicing a robot instead. Wait, is he going to be Bumblebee?

Opening against Aquaman sounds really not smart, though.

In movie-related news, a better look at that Wonderfest 2017 exclusive from Japan.

The MSJ fucked around with this message at 23:10 on Jul 31, 2017

TheDK
Jun 5, 2009

The MSJ posted:

U cannot see him because he is in disguise. I mean, he did star in a cartoon movie recently so Cena could be voicing a robot instead. Wait, is he going to be Bumblebee?

Opening against Aquaman sounds really not smart, though.

In movie-related news, a better look at that Wonderfest 2017 exclusive from Japan.



Pepto-bot! Transform and roll out!

The D in Detroit
Oct 13, 2012

The MSJ posted:

In movie-related news, a better look at that Wonderfest 2017 exclusive from Japan.



want this and a Reedman(!) figure

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
edit

wrong thread!

Rhyno fucked around with this message at 05:37 on Aug 1, 2017

The MSJ
May 17, 2010

The press release suggests Bumblebee might actually be a VW Bug this time.

quote:

On the run in the year 1987, Bumblebee finds refuge in a junkyard in a small Californian beach town. Charlie (Hailee Steinfeld), on the cusp of turning 18 and trying to find her place in the world, discovers Bumblebee, battle-scarred and broken. When Charlie revives him, she quickly learns this is no ordinary, yellow VW bug.

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Gatts
Jan 2, 2001

Goodnight Moon

Nap Ghost
So basically John Cena (likely Marky Mark's Dad), some chick, Bumble Bug....this is a stealth HERBIE movie isn't it?

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