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Orange Devil posted:A right to return to a nonexisting place. How wonderful. There's that in a Jack Vance novel (Emphyrio IIRC). Criminals are exiled to a "country" that is something like one inch thick and bordered by walls. There's a piston involved in the exiling process. That's the future of Palestine as desired by the incredibly racist people who defend Israel.
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GaussianCopula posted:Obviously Palestinians would have the right to return to their state - the Palestinian state. What BDS demands is a right to return for them into Israel Edit: Winning hearts and minds: https://twitter.com/samiaah10/status/888433604673589249 Cugel the Clever fucked around with this message at 15:04 on Jul 22, 2017 |
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Jul 22, 2017 14:56
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Cat Mattress posted:There's that in a Jack Vance novel (Emphyrio IIRC). Criminals are exiled to a "country" that is something like one inch thick and bordered by walls. There's a piston involved in the exiling process. If you think the West bank and Gaza are such a piece of garbage why do so many people fight for it's sovereignty?
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Jul 22, 2017 15:09
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Baron Porkface posted:If you think the West bank and Gaza are such a piece of garbage why do so many people fight for it's sovereignty?
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Jul 22, 2017 15:10
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Baron Porkface posted:If you think the West bank and Gaza are such a piece of garbage why do so many people fight for it's sovereignty? Have you seen maps of what the west bank looks like if you remove the areas carved out for settlements or are you just doing this out of sheer evil?
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Jul 22, 2017 15:12
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Agnosticnixie posted:Have you seen maps of what the west bank looks like if you remove the areas carved out for settlements or are you just doing this out of sheer evil? presumably people who want Palestenian sovereignty don't want the settlements to stay Israeli.
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Jul 22, 2017 15:16
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Baron Porkface posted:If you think the West bank and Gaza are such a piece of garbage why do so many people fight for it's sovereignty? The only pieces of garbage are the people who defend a colonialist project based on racial supremacism.
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Jul 22, 2017 15:17
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Then why did you compare returning to Palestine to being crushed in a sci- fi trash compactor?
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Jul 22, 2017 15:19
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People fight for Gaza and the West Bank because it's all that's left, but conditions in Gaza are near starvation hunger with barely any electricity or water in one of the most densely populated zones on earth, with the constant risk of bombardment and invasion, and in the west bank you're constantly surrounded by settlers and the Israeli security aparatus. You're posting like this is somehow a good deal.
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Jul 22, 2017 15:32
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Are you saying right of return isn't a good deal?
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Jul 22, 2017 15:37
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Baron Porkface posted:Are you saying right of return isn't a good deal? This troll is extremely unfunny.
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Jul 22, 2017 15:38
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Baron Porkface posted:Then why did you compare returning to Palestine to being crushed in a sci- fi trash compactor? I was talking about the future of Palestine as desired by the incredibly racist scumbags who defend Israel's actions. They keep stealing land and setting up walls, slicing and dicing Palestine in order to make future land grabs easier.
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Jul 22, 2017 15:42
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Disinterested posted:People fight for Gaza and the West Bank because it's all that's left, but conditions in Gaza are near starvation hunger with barely any electricity or water in one of the most densely populated zones on earth, with the constant risk of bombardment and invasion, and in the west bank you're constantly surrounded by settlers and the Israeli security aparatus. New York City is more than twice as densely populated to the Gaza strip, Paris about four times, so I don't really get that argument. But I would agree that a Palestinian state consisting of Gaza and the West Bank would not really work, as it's geographically not really viable. The easiest solution would be to give the West Bank (minus Israeli settlements of course) to Jordan and Gaza strip to Egypt.
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Jul 22, 2017 15:47
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That would be a convenient way for Israel to finally and conclusively destroy Palestinian chances at statehood forever, if it were the will of Palestinians, Israelis, Egyptians or Jordanians. Seeing as its in fact the wanted solution of exactly nobody, however...
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Jul 22, 2017 15:51
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GaussianCopula posted:New York City is more than twice as densely populated to the Gaza strip, Paris about four times, so I don't really get that argument. But I would agree that a Palestinian state consisting of Gaza and the West Bank would not really work, as it's geographically not really viable. New York City and Paris don't have to grow their own food because of an airtight blockade managed by bunch of bloodthirsty racial supremacist thugs who get hard at the thought of oppressing people. Your "easiest solution" is akin to giving western Poland to Germany and eastern Poland to Russia. It's not a solution at all. The actual easiest solution is to dismantle and evacuate every single illegal settlement in the west bank and give Palestine back its full and total sovereignty.
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Jul 22, 2017 15:54
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Cat Mattress posted:The actual easiest solution is to dismantle and evacuate every single illegal settlement in the west bank and give Palestine back its full and total sovereignty. Alternatively, merge them into one state and grant everyone full citizenship.
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Jul 22, 2017 16:00
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The alternative is that the status quo persists.
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Jul 22, 2017 16:02
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GaussianCopula posted:The alternative is that the status quo persists. Your alternative is one zero people take seriously. It's been a long loving time since handing it all over to Jordan was regarded as a policy option and nobody is interested in that now.
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Jul 22, 2017 16:04
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GaussianCopula posted:New York City is more than twice as densely populated to the Gaza strip, Paris about four times, so I don't really get that argument. But I would agree that a Palestinian state consisting of Gaza and the West Bank would not really work, as it's geographically not really viable. Surprise, you're a humongous piece of poo poo no matter the thread. The settlements are illegal, NYC has a hinterland, and this stopped being a remotely viable policy in the 50s.
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Jul 22, 2017 16:10
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GaussianCopula posted:The alternative is that the status quo persists. The status quo persisting is what the government of Israel is interested in, because it's the one that allows them to keep doing their racially-motivated colonialist landgrabbing.
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Jul 22, 2017 16:13
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Cat Mattress posted:The actual easiest solution is to dismantle and evacuate every single illegal settlement in the west bank and give Palestine back its full and total sovereignty. This is not the easiest.
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Jul 22, 2017 20:27
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GaussianCopula posted:New York City is more than twice as densely populated to the Gaza strip, Paris about four times, so I don't really get that argument. But I would agree that a Palestinian state consisting of Gaza and the West Bank would not really work, as it's geographically not really viable. "One of the" is not "the." Consider learning to read before engaging in future written arguments!
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Jul 22, 2017 20:33
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Another alternative is Palestinians outside of Palestine gathering wealth and power over centuries and then using that power to forcefully establish a Palestinian state.
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Jul 22, 2017 20:37
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GaussianCopula posted:The easiest solution would be to give the West Bank (minus Israeli settlements of course) to Jordan and Gaza strip to Egypt. Why do you think it would be easiest to give land to countries who don't want this land? Who do you think should be the entity giving this land in the first place?
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Jul 22, 2017 21:16
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GaussianCopula posted:So, just that I understand this, there is no birthright for Israelis, Germans, Poles (or any other displaced people after several wars) but for the Palestinians there is because ~reasons~? Oh boy, are you sure you are familiar enough with this topic? "No birthright" is a pretty hilarious misunderstanding on your part of how the Israeli government handles immigration and refugees. edit: it's race theory, thats how they handle immigration 420 Gank Mid fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Jul 22, 2017 |
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Jul 22, 2017 21:24
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What is the big deal about putting metal detectors at the entrance to the mosque anyway?
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Jul 22, 2017 21:41
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hakimashou posted:What is the big deal about putting metal detectors at the entrance to the mosque anyway? What's the big deal about self governance anyway?
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Jul 22, 2017 21:42
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hakimashou posted:What is the big deal about putting metal detectors at the entrance to the mosque anyway? What is the big deal with banning men under the age of 50 and at times women under the age of 45 anyway?
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Jul 22, 2017 21:52
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hakimashou posted:What is the big deal about putting metal detectors at the entrance to the mosque anyway? Certain tools used in religious ceremony can't be taken into the mosque, so it's a restriction on religion in a way.
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Jul 22, 2017 21:56
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hakimashou posted:What is the big deal about putting metal detectors at the entrance to the mosque anyway? Yeah why do religious groups get so uppity once you impose COMMON SENSE regulations on them like barring them from their places of worship and treating them like criminals guilty of the sins of their neighbors, grandfathers and cousins?
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420 Gank Mid posted:Yeah why do religious groups get so uppity once you impose COMMON SENSE regulations on them like barring them from their places of worship and treating them like criminals guilty of the sins of their neighbors, grandfathers and cousins? Probably the same reason this particular religious group celebrates people who blow themselves and other civilians, including children and the elderly up? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jul 22, 2017 22:15
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GaussianCopula posted:Probably the same reason this particular religious group celebrates people who blow themselves and other civilians, including children and the elderly up? Can you be more specific please?
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GaussianCopula posted:Probably the same reason this particular religious group celebrates people who blow themselves and other civilians, including children and the elderly up? I'm sure the solution is to collectively demonize and abuse the group as a whole as much as possible. I know this because it's worked so well every other time it's been tried.
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Jul 22, 2017 22:26
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Instead of metal detectors they should just build a wall inside the Temple Mount separating the Jewish and Muslim parts.
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Jul 22, 2017 22:40
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Perhaps they could try to stop oppressing the Palestinians and stealing their land and resources? Maybe it'll bring peace. It's worth a try, after all, they have never attempted this.
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Jul 22, 2017 22:45
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Cat Mattress posted:Perhaps they could try to stop oppressing the Palestinians and stealing their land and resources? Maybe it'll bring peace. It's worth a try, after all, they have never attempted this. Peaceful coexistence is impossible with fundamentalist Muslims. Israel could withdraw to the 1948 lines and Palestinians would still want all Jews out of Israel. There would need to be a massive educational campaign where Palestinian children are not taught about Jihad and how bad Israel and Jews are. Then in several generations Palestinians might tolerate Israel. Until that happens Palestinians will need to be violently suppressed to keep Israelis safe.
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Jul 22, 2017 23:15
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Kim Jong Il posted:If this applies to anyone it's the Palestinians, given that the central demand of BDS is the end of Israel. Actually the central demand of BDS is to boycott, divest, and sanction Israel. 
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Jul 22, 2017 23:17
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qkkl posted:Peaceful coexistence is impossible with fundamentalist Muslims. Israel could withdraw to the 1948 lines and Palestinians would still want all Jews out of Israel. There would need to be a massive educational campaign where Palestinian children are not taught about Jihad and how bad Israel and Jews are. Then in several generations Palestinians might tolerate Israel. Until that happens Palestinians will need to be violently suppressed to keep Israelis safe. 
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Jul 22, 2017 23:18
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Volkerball posted:Actually the central demand of BDS is to boycott, divest, and sanction Israel. I think you'll find that the current state of affairs is the minimum necessary to prevent Holocaust 2: Holocaust Harder. Trying to change it is an attempt to annihilate the Jewish state.
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it's the racists flooding the thread whenever israel-palestine events make the news who make the best posts based on facts and information about their simple solutions to the problem which no one has ever thought of before.
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