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2house2fly posted:When I rewatched earlier this year series 2 really felt like a chore to get through It's pretty brutal. There are some bright spots like Girl in the Fireplace, School Reunion and Impossible Planet / Satan Pit, and I guess chunks of Doomsday, but by and large the season is dragged to the pits by Tennant and Piper making googly eyes at each other like a couple of high schoolers, and when the episodes got bad, boy howdy, did they get loving bad.
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Vinylshadow posted:
"It’s all about the hair. It’s a hair job.'' - Paul McGann
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Jul 22, 2017 21:56
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Timby posted:It's pretty brutal. There are some bright spots like Girl in the Fireplace, School Reunion and Impossible Planet / Satan Pit, and I guess chunks of Doomsday, but by and large the season is dragged to the pits by Tennant and Piper making googly eyes at each other like a couple of high schoolers, and when the episodes got bad, boy howdy, did they get loving bad. I hope that Big Finish set with 10 and Rose tones that poo poo down a lot. I can't stand it.
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Jul 22, 2017 22:02
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egon_beeblebrox posted:I hope that Big Finish set with 10 and Rose tones that poo poo down a lot. I can't stand it. I mean, Jesus, the Cybermen two-parter exists for all of two reasons: To present us with a bastardized version of the Cybermen, and to scream at us, with all the subtlety of a sledgehammer to the head, that Rose's true wuv is the Doctor, not Mickey, to the point that Mickey would rather gently caress off and fight Cybermen in the parallel universe.
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Jul 22, 2017 22:26
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I forgot how painful the Tennant era Whedonesque dialogue is sometimes. "Add another suitcase full of bad."
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Jul 22, 2017 22:36
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Timby posted:It's pretty brutal. There are some bright spots like Girl in the Fireplace, School Reunion and Impossible Planet / Satan Pit, and I guess chunks of Doomsday, but by and large the season is dragged to the pits by Tennant and Piper making googly eyes at each other like a couple of high schoolers, and when the episodes got bad, boy howdy, did they get loving bad. Seems to be what a lot of folks want back, though. I always assumed the "Bring Back Tennant" thing was a bit of an amusing exaggeration but I've been surprised with how widespread it seemed to me (especially amongst what I take to be "general audiences" or more casual fans of the show) during the speculation before Whittaker was announced.
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Jul 22, 2017 22:39
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marktheando posted:I forgot how painful the Tennant era Whedonesque dialogue is sometimes. "Add another suitcase full of bad." Between the dialogue, building up to a new Big Bad who's secretly behind the scenes of everything in each season and the nonstop flirting / unrequited love, it was painfully obvious that Davies desperately wanted to be Joss Whedon.
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Jul 22, 2017 22:49
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Whedon has a lot to answer for. It's easy to look at Buffy as the template for the revival format. Bring back 25 minute episodes IMO.
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Jul 22, 2017 22:52
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Yeah, how dare that rascal Davies take any inspiration at all from one of the most successful genre television shows of the past 30 years?
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Jul 22, 2017 22:54
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Timby posted:It's pretty brutal. There are some bright spots like Girl in the Fireplace, School Reunion and Impossible Planet / Satan Pit, and I guess chunks of Doomsday, but by and large the season is dragged to the pits by Tennant and Piper making googly eyes at each other like a couple of high schoolers, and when the episodes got bad, boy howdy, did they get loving bad. The creepy vampire romance was the absolute worst drat thing. Most of the bad writing I can at least stomach until the end of the episode, but that made my skin crawl every time it came up.
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Jul 22, 2017 22:57
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Timby posted:Between the dialogue, building up to a new Big Bad who's secretly behind the scenes of everything in each season and the nonstop flirting / unrequited love, it was painfully obvious that Davies desperately wanted to be Joss Whedon. RTD is quoted on Wikipedia as follows: quote:Buffy the Vampire Slayer showed the whole world, and an entire sprawling industry, that writing monsters and demons and end-of-the world is not hack-work, it can challenge the best. Joss Whedon raised the bar for every writer—not just genre/niche writers, but every single one of us.
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Chokes McGee posted:Today, once again, I was reminded I have to wait a year to see 13's costume and personality. Oh, what's the worst that can happen to the U.K. in the next year?
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CobiWann posted:Oh, what's the worst that can happen to the U.K. in the next year? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shs7VQhVvxA
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learnincurve posted:We should skip the war part and go right to the diplomatic talking bit at the end? That oppressed people should just shut up and take it, essentially. It's a view that comes from a very whitewashed view of history, one that ignores all the violence (or threats of violence) that has gone into making societal change. The suffragettes committed bombings. There was a violent Indian independence movement parallel to Gandhi. "Nelson Mandela is a terrorist". People resort to violence because talking hasn't worked.
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Vinylshadow posted:
He does look like a magician with short hair.
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Gaz-L posted:It's a shame they got so stuck on the stern, grumpy take on him for series 8. Too much trying to make him space-Malcolm Tucker, when Peter's so good at showing kindness and compassion. gently caress the Zygon speech, the ones from The Pilot and The Doctor Falls nail it. Even the one with Davros in series 9, where he talks about the Doctor being an ideal that he very occasionally is able to live up to is great. Not that Hell Bent is the hallmark of Peter Capaldi episdoes, but when I think of him, I'm always going to think of him looking at Clara helplessly in the middle of one of his rambling buzzword monologues and just saying "I have a duty of care," with an expression on his face (and in his voice) that sums up all of his guilt and sadness and the stress of responsibility, and that compassion is going to define him more than his grumpiness or his eyerbows. 
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Him choking out "...and most of all, because it's kind!" to the Master is the big one for me.
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2house2fly posted:When I rewatched earlier this year series 2 really felt like a chore to get through I still mostly like season 2, it's season 3 that is the real drag as Martha comes along and gets zero character beyond "She's not-Rose."
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Jul 23, 2017 02:57
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I liked the "an idiot in a box" speech, but it should've been at the end of Deep Breath, not at the end of the season.
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It wouldn't have fit at all in Deep Breath. His speech in that episode was great though, and it's bizarre when people think his character wasn't worked out until his third series or whatever because it was all there right from the start.quote:Those people down there. They're never small to me. Don't make assumptions about how far I will go to protect them, because I've already come a very long way. And unlike you, I don't expect to reach the promised land. You realise, of course, one of us is lying about our basic programming. And I think we both know who that is.
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Jul 23, 2017 03:23
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Vinylshadow posted:Now we need take the Series 8 episodes and photoshop Series 10 Capaldi's hair onto the Doctor Capaldi's hair confirmed as 13's first companion?! 
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Jul 23, 2017 05:28
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CobiWann posted:Oh, what's the worst that can happen to the U.K. in the next year? I heard this in Eight's voice and that is the last person who I'd want to hear that from
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Jul 23, 2017 05:32
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MrL_JaKiri posted:That oppressed people should just shut up and take it, essentially. It's a view that comes from a very whitewashed view of history, one that ignores all the violence (or threats of violence) that has gone into making societal change. The suffragettes committed bombings. There was a violent Indian independence movement parallel to Gandhi. "Nelson Mandela is a terrorist". And wouldn't it be nice if the oppressors knew to sit down and talk right at the start as well. That speech wasn't just for bonnie, it was for Kate as well. (P.S. I'm from one of the most oppressed cultures in the world, white people stole me from my family as a baby. Gandhi got it right imo) On a different note the show was 25mins four story arcs for a reason, children don't have long attention spans.
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learnincurve posted:On a different note the show was 25mins four story arcs for a reason, children don't have long attention spans. So how come the show now comes in ~44-minute episodes, then? Children have longer attention spans than it was in the 60s-80s?
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Children have perfectly fine attention spans when they want to - that last part being the key. Less so in noisy/tedious/stressful environments. Longer episodes are fine for kids if the show is comparatively well-done and has good dramatic hooks, and that's what generally matters. Earlier 'new' Doctor Who was always a bit goofy, but for its time it wasn't poorly done either. Not sure all of it has aged well (like mentioned lovesick Rose), but gosh, when it did things right (The Empty Child, anyone?) it hit it out of the park. I think possibly some of it comes down to culture clash for me though, not being British. Anyway, gonna miss Capaldi. For me he really grew into the role. Wasn't so fond in the beginning, but his run kept just getting... better as it went, somehow. Still, very excited about Jodie, it's good to shake things up and it's a good show to weather that kind of change.
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I returned to the tv series after Jago and Litefoot brought me back to this franchise and binged through series 8 and 9. I don't remember having that good of a time. After watching series 10 and having vastly better time, I think I just vehemently dislike Clara.
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toanoradian posted:So how come the show now comes in ~44-minute episodes, then? Children have longer attention spans than it was in the 60s-80s? They don't, not many 5-8 year olds will be able to sit down for that long, which means the audience is getting older when in the 80s the whole family could watch. We did that better back in the day, if you asked me how long bagpuss, the clangers, button moon, or Mr Benn went on for, without knowing the answer, I would tell you half an hour, when in fact they were all around 8 mins long including the titles. I have a weird time fact: If you are 25 then you have been alive for 10% of American history.
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I'd rather Who went back to stories that each ran for 4-6 episodes of 22-25 minutes each. Gives supporting characters more development and you don't have to commit most of an hour per sitting. Then again that might just be my age showing. Don't even watch modern over air TV at all, my set only has a blu-ray player plugged in 
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Jul 23, 2017 08:07
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25 minutes for Drama was a dead format when Who went back to it in 1986.
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Jul 23, 2017 08:15
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BBC should make Doctor Who in a format that pulls in the most kid viewers: daily 10-15 minute videos of people doing absurd things in ill-fitting superhero costumes.
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Jul 23, 2017 09:50
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toanoradian posted:BBC should make Doctor Who in a format that pulls in the most kid viewers: daily 10-15 minute videos of people doing absurd things in ill-fitting superhero costumes. Perfect companion for Jodie Doctor: PewDiePie, playing himself.
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Jul 23, 2017 09:52
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It was 25 minutes because the BBC wanted the show to die and aired it opposite Coronation Street. I had to watch that poo poo on a tiny black and white tv. 
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DancingShade posted:Perfect companion for Jodie Doctor: PewDiePie, playing himself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRMKzxKdmYA
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Jul 23, 2017 10:39
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Imagine being such a shitlord you want a popular show to die just because you think it isn't highbrow enough. Now imagine you're a BBC executive with a rusty metal oar up your arse. Congrats, you've imagined the same thing twice. ^Bloody hell
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Jul 23, 2017 10:40
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Imagine the screaming and rape jokes in the inevitable Dalek episode.
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Jul 23, 2017 10:48
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I don't understand the appeal of PewDiePie and I don't think I ever will. What is supposed to be funny about him? 
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Wheat Loaf posted:I don't understand the appeal of PewDiePie and I don't think I ever will. What is supposed to be funny about him?
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Jul 23, 2017 11:33
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Also, he's an internet Nazi, which is very popular these days (see also: Laci Green).
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learnincurve posted:And wouldn't it be nice if the oppressors knew to sit down and talk right at the start as well. That speech wasn't just for bonnie, it was for Kate as well. (P.S. I'm from one of the most oppressed cultures in the world, white people stole me from my family as a baby. Gandhi got it right imo) The oppressors don't talk at the start because the oppressors have no reason to give a poo poo if existing conditions are materially better for them. "Human rights" has never been much of a reason for people in a position of power to do anything, basically every time it's been invoked it's PR cover for something economic or martial. This is the case in the episode as well - a new solution is only negotiated because of the threatened and actual violence done by the Zygons. Even if we take your very kind interpretation as base, the Doctor still only gets involved after it becomes a shooting war. He's around on Earth a lot at this point - why does the same thing not apply to him, especially given that he is President [edit] although I forget if it's that episode where we find it out, if so that doesn't really apply [/edit]? MrL_JaKiri fucked around with this message at 12:06 on Jul 23, 2017 |
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MrL_JaKiri posted:The oppressors don't talk at the start because the oppressors have no reason to give a poo poo if existing conditions are materially better for them. "Human rights" has never been much of a reason for people in a position of power to do anything, basically every time it's been invoked it's PR cover for something economic or martial. Whether the doctor is actually the current president or not he was once, which is good enough. It comes with special powers because putting on the matrix of leadership is the time lord version of space steroids. What those special powers are is sort of vague and dependent on how any given writer feels about the idea. So somewhere between "nothing" to "has a copy of the entire matrix locked away in his mind somewhere, with all that that implies". Gallifrey Chronicles was an interesting book and probably completely forgotten now so I'd generally go with "nothing". He was officially deposed before the Trial Of A Time Lord serial started because he tried pulling that card out then. Don't know if he took the title back after kicking Rassilon off world but it's possible everyone just followed him on the basis of "he's the loving doctor and a legend" if nothing else. (he also booted the high council off world too so arguably the Time Lords no longer had an official leadership at that point) DancingShade fucked around with this message at 12:13 on Jul 23, 2017 |
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