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FlamingLiberal posted:I'm pretty sure just about every Luc Besson film can be described as 'good looking, but mostly empty' That's certainly not how I would describe Leon
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Jul 23, 2017 02:25
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Jul 23, 2017 02:25
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K. Waste posted:Style is substance I find myself saying that a lot when defending Refn.
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Jul 23, 2017 02:32
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Yaws posted:I find myself saying that a lot when defending Refn. The immortal question of film criticism is how you can determine what substance is without paying attention to and engaging with the formal qualities of a film. On one side are people who are convinced that they don't have to pay attention to a movie. On the other side are people who actually like movies.
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Jul 23, 2017 02:37
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FlamingLiberal posted:Valerian is bombing hard as expected and is going to earn less than $20 mil this weekend domestically. i have been saying this since I saw the first trailer and it is nice to be vindicated sometimes you just know a movie is going to bomb like in a couple weeks when Dark Tower comes out. That movie is going to be a glorified TV pilot and every single person I tell the actual runtime of the movie (95 minutes) gets this really confused, annoyed look on their face. Like in that moment, any hope of Dark Tower being good just floats away.
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Jul 23, 2017 02:48
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FlamingLiberal posted:Having not read the book that is an odd trailer. Are all of the characters showing up in this already owned by the studio or did they have to license some of them? Definitely not taken just cuz its from the book because the book is like pretty much just references to the most visible 80s pop culture stuff only.
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Jul 23, 2017 02:49
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I'll be really glad when Ready Player One comes out and makes a billion in a weekend because I won't need to write a suicide note, people will figure it out on their own.
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Yaws posted:Maybe Spielberg is aware that at 70 years old he probably only has a few more movies and he just said gently caress it. I don't know why else he'd direct this schlock. I can't imagine he's passionate about the book as it's sounds geared towards 20 year old introverts. Maybe because he was involved with a lot of 80s movies/properties that are referenced in the books, and it's an exercise in self-fellatio.
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SciFiDownBeat posted:Maybe because he was involved with a lot of 80s movies/properties that are referenced in the books, and it's an exercise in self-fellatio. Nah, he's specifically stated that he took out all the references to his stuff.
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Jul 23, 2017 03:39
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Thor: Ragnarok trailer.
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muscles like this! posted:Nah, he's specifically stated that he took out all the references to his stuff. That's decent of him. Then I guess he's just a masochist who loves shlock eugh.
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Jul 23, 2017 04:45
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For Thor movie I'll see in a theater, or at all actually.
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Jul 23, 2017 04:49
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DC Murderverse posted:sometimes you just know a movie is going to bomb For me, the telling thing was that the movie trailers never went from the more ephemeral and high-concept early trailers, settled down, and became more practical "OK, here's the movie we want you to see" in tone. The trailers simply kept just being about how weird and wild these aliens and the setting is, which made me feel there just wasn't enough there. MisterBibs fucked around with this message at 05:07 on Jul 23, 2017 |
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Jul 23, 2017 05:05
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The Ready Player One trailer didn't explain anything except that Twitch streamers of the future no longer have donation info up on their screen at all times.
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Tars Tarkas posted:The Ready Player One trailer didn't explain anything except that Twitch streamers of the future no longer have donation info up on their screen at all times. It just made me want to re-watch Tron. And Tron Legacy Swear that guy was wearing a Daft Punk helmet on the lightcycle but that's how RP1 does I guess? needs a dude reference too
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MisterBibs posted:For me, the telling thing was that the movie trailers never went from the more ephemeral and high-concept early trailers, settled down, and became more practical "OK, here's the movie we want you to see" in tone. The trailers simply kept just being about how weird and wild these aliens and the setting is, which made me feel there just wasn't enough there. The trailer puts forth the best brain of the movie which is largely unedited visuals. Nothing misleading, just no words. Just like Tron Legacy, this movie would make an incredible 30-45 minute score only movie. Only you'd need a new score because Valerian's is just bad and bizarrely reminiscent of Men in Black and Jurassic Park. But just like I'd imagine reading the graphic novel without understanding French, you could probably get the gist we're soaking up the eye porn. Was there a single moment on that war room/bridge set that was at all worth the time? How can anyone not know about Mul while also constantly saying Mul Converter and everyone knowing exactly what it means? How many access denied screens were there. Did we need a third bureaucrat? Did he really shoot missiles at a ship carrying someone he wants to save? How does someone swing on a rope while wearing augmented reality gear?
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Valerian was alright, but it really needed to breathe a bit. Cut some elements, let us appreciate other elements, and give Valerian and Laureline more consistent characterizations. Bubble was only onscreen for a short while, and I still feel like I got a better sense of her character's hopes and fears than either of the main characters. Still, some stuff was inventive and fun, like the marketplace scene, sets, and costumes. I liked that first scene of different species meeting each other.
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Jul 23, 2017 06:56
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DC Murderverse posted:i have been saying this since I saw the first trailer and it is nice to be vindicated what now people are complaining movies are too short?!
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Jul 23, 2017 07:19
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Holy poo poo. Dark Tower doesn't even crack an hour and 40 minutes?!? That's some poo poo right there.
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Jul 23, 2017 07:20
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Make your movie 4 hours long if you want, but put an intermission in there so people can go pee.
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Jul 23, 2017 07:20
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Casimir Radon posted:Make your movie 4 hours long if you want, but put an intermission in there so people can go pee. I would honestly welcome this. I probably would have ended up enjoying something like, say, Superman Returns, a lot more if the movie had a little 15-20 minute intermission in the middle of it's seemingly 4 hour runtime.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Valerian is bombing hard as expected and is going to earn less than $20 mil this weekend domestically.
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Valerian isn't even out in France and the rest of Europe yet. It feels like they're betting on the home game. If they're releasing it for IMAX they're going to face stiff competition from Dunkirk though. The cinema I frequent has a partial schedule up to the 2nd of August and it's six showings of Dunkirk every single day, so the IMAX room is already taken. Edit... said the idiot so used to it that he acts like every cinema has it. Mierenneuker fucked around with this message at 08:35 on Jul 23, 2017 |
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Jul 23, 2017 08:27
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FishBulb posted:what 95 minutes is pretty drat short for the first entry in a fantasy series that's incredibly dense and took seven books written over a few decades to tell. Most movies are bloated these days, but for what The Dark Tower is that feels fairly anemic.
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I mean, I know it's not the same, but the first Dark Tower book is only like 230 pages long. Maybe it gets in and gets out and makes its' point? and even if it sucks, it only sucks for 90 minutes. There are no downsides here Edit: well outside of it being terrible.
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I had no interest in seeing Dark Tower.Gonz posted:Holy poo poo. Dark Tower doesn't even crack an hour and 40 minutes?!?
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Idris Elba is very cool and i'll end up seeing it, too, but I can't recall the last big budget movie based on a known IP that was so short.
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I think Ready Player One might be salvageable by turning it into a movie. One thing I realized when watching the trailer was that the references become less obnoxious when they're part of visual storytelling and not prose. Prose can only work on one channel at a time so when the references pop up in a book it's like they are being rubbed in your face. Having the in the background as the fabric of a movie is a completely different experience. Another is that, like with The Martian, basic mechanical problems with storytelling, plotting and characterization from a book can be fixed by letting professional screenwriters and producers have a go at the story when turning it into a script. It's kind of like the story receiving an editing pass it should have gotten in the first place. We saw story elements in the trailer that weren't in the book at all, which is encouraging, even if Cline is getting a "screenplay by" and not a "story by" credit. I also noticed on reflection that the idea of someone going to see this as a movie is less disturbing than someone reading Ready Player One, because my standards for blockbuster movies are so much lower than books (which is dumb snobbery, natch). But I just can't stand people who have only read one book in their lives, and it's Ready Player One, and they keep raving about how awesome it is. It's like #resistance twitter seeing everything through the lens of either Harry Potter or A Game of Thrones. I remember the thinkpieces when Pottermania was at its height, "at last kids will read books again!" Turns out they only read Harry Potter and then moved on. That Guy read Ready Player One and went back to tweeting about gamergate. Sulphagnist fucked around with this message at 11:56 on Jul 23, 2017 |
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I have a question about the end of RP1. I know it ends with the hero winning the 80's quiz/treasure hunt and inheriting all the money from the dead inventor of the VR world, but how does the ending work tonally? Like, it's a corporate dystopian world, and at the end of the novel... he's just a rich person in this world now instead of a poor person? Isn't that kind of a dark ending, that the world is still poo poo but it doesn't matter because he's rich now? Or is there some kind of "the world is going to get better" or "the world is not actually that bad" element to the ending too? Or is it just kind of melancholic about the whole thing?
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From memory: By winning, he now owns the VR world, which means it can be safe for his lifetime at least because he is a Good Man and won't do anything terrible with it and will let it keep being an escape for the lovely decaying planet. This is about as far as he cares, because everyone having Xbox Live is the best possible outcome, rather than letting CORPORATIONS CHARGE YOU FOR IT. I'm oversimplifying it a little but I seriously recall that being all he gave a gently caress about. It's all over the place tonally, especially regarding the rest of the cast.
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Red Bones posted:I have a question about the end of RP1. I know it ends with the hero winning the 80's quiz/treasure hunt and inheriting all the money from the dead inventor of the VR world, but how does the ending work tonally? Like, it's a corporate dystopian world, and at the end of the novel... he's just a rich person in this world now instead of a poor person? Isn't that kind of a dark ending, that the world is still poo poo but it doesn't matter because he's rich now? Or is there some kind of "the world is going to get better" or "the world is not actually that bad" element to the ending too? Or is it just kind of melancholic about the whole thing? My understanding from friends who've described it is It's an ending that should be incredibly lovely and uncomfortable but lacks the self-awareness to be so.
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ImpAtom posted:My understanding from friends who've described it is It's an ending that should be incredibly lovely and uncomfortable but lacks the self-awareness to be so. I've always found statements like this weird. With a book it seems like it would be kind of hard to identify how self aware it is, and usually with books whether the author is self aware doesn't actually matter.
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Jul 23, 2017 12:59
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Hey idiots, short movies are good. I can't believe this needs to be said.
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Jul 23, 2017 13:45
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Vegetable posted:Hey idiots, short movies are good. I can't believe this needs to be said. It feels like just two years ago everyone was tired of two hour+ nerd movies too.
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It doesn't matter how long or short it is as long as it's good. A good long movie will fly by, a bad short movie will crawl.
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END ME SCOOB posted:From memory: There's also some lip service about using the money to fund social services but its not something the main character actually cares about and is just there for the love interest to not seem shallow. Al Borland Corp. posted:I've always found statements like this weird. With a book it seems like it would be kind of hard to identify how self aware it is, and usually with books whether the author is self aware doesn't actually matter. Cline destroyed any benefit of doubt you could give him by putting out a second novel which was basically the same thing except somehow shittier.
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You can dislike the general trend of movies being too long while still wanting individual films to be appropriately epic. Also, the new Del Toro movie looks pretty interesting. I'm not sure if it's officially a Hellboy spinoff or if it's just a movie that happens to star Doug Jones as a merman kept in a government research facility but it looks pretty. Plus the cast is awesome and after the recent Planet of the Apes movies I think it's cool to see more sign language in movies. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFYWazblaUA
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DorianGravy posted:Valerian was alright, but it really needed to breathe a bit. Cut some elements, let us appreciate other elements, and give Valerian and Laureline more consistent characterizations. Bubble was only onscreen for a short while, and I still feel like I got a better sense of her character's hopes and fears than either of the main characters. Yeah, the movie could've been something great, but the bad main actors and some messy writing killed that potential. The entire subplot with Bubble seems to exist solely to justify Rihanna's character being there. The way they just awkwardly kill off her character at the end of it makes it clear they didn't want to bother linking it into the main plot. The fact that they don't actually end up doing anything with that Black Market dealer, despite him threatening to chase down the main characters to the ends of the galaxy also shows poor planning. Unless Luc Besson was actually thinking he would be able to make a sequel. I haven't read the comic, but it feels like Besson just chose to adapt some of his favorite moments from it, and didn't think about how they would fit together. For example, it probably would've made for a tighter script, if it was the black market dealer that abducted the female lead.
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