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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGcAbI-4_io Discovery is literally darker and the uniforms and ships literally have sharper edges. Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 07:36 on Jul 23, 2017 |
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Arglebargle III posted:Discovery is literally darker and the uniforms and ships literally have sharper edges. Unless Sarek bombs her room with Dilithium salts so that no toys can exist there for the next 6 weeks, I doubt that.
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Jul 23, 2017 07:02
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It's telling the argument on the side of Discovery passes by any semblance of defense and goes straight to whataboutism.
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Jul 23, 2017 07:34
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The Discovery trailer has been removed from YouTube for some reason. 
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Jul 23, 2017 09:55
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Kazinsal posted:The Discovery trailer has been removed from YouTube for some reason. Section 31 psyop, obviously.
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Jul 23, 2017 10:01
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Arglebargle III posted:Discovery is literally darker and the uniforms and ships literally have sharper edges. Darker than fuzzy soap opera lighting and edgier than colored pajamas and repurposed upholstery isn't saying much though. Every single trek movie has been darker and edgier than the shows by that metric and almost half of them were pretty good.
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So anyway, I've been saying for the last year that the mysterious event in Trek's past that Fuller was referring to was probably how war with the Klingons started and this trailer basically confirms it. Any of you very silly people who thought it would be the Tarsus Blight want to come forward and get I told you so'd? As a fun bonus, this means that Axanar's portayal of the Fed and Klingons being at war earlier than this no longer fits the canon timeline. More Star Trek than Star Trek indeed. 
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Arglebargle III posted:It's the same Klingons you remember from the profitable STAR TREK franchise, but now completely different! It's "darker and edgier" for today's teens with money for subscription services burning holes in their hahaha I can't finish Arglebargle III posted:It's the same Klingons you remember from the profitable STAR TREK franchise, but now completely different! It's "darker and edgier" for today's teens with money for subscription services burning holes in their hahaha I can't finish Oh well third time lucky eh? I look forward to the next iteration of this post 
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After The War posted:I'm mostly excited about the TNG episodes Jeb! has coming up, tbh. My favourite parts of the thread.
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Jul 23, 2017 11:36
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Gaz-L posted:Spock gotta lotta step/half-siblings that we never hear about until they appear... It could also make for interesting flashback scenes where young Sybok is fascinated with his new step-mother's culture and openness with emotions while kid Spock and Michael are both practising being stoic in the background.
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Also idk if she was literally adopted or if that's more a figure of speech. Plausible either way, but lots of people wind up with unrelated parent figures without any forms being signed.
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Jul 23, 2017 11:51
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"You're mad!" "I'm Mudd."
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Jul 23, 2017 12:53
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I though that trailer looked very good visually. Obviously trailers are going to make things look all action, so it's hard to judge the tone of a show from them. But yeah the writing is my main worry- the Surak connection is bad. Having this new lead character be connected to Spock just makes the universe feel small. And obviously losing your talented show runner is never a good sign. I'm still cautiously optimistic though. Seems unlikely it will be worse than voyager, which is the only Trek I don't enjoy at least a little.
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It was inevitable that they'd have at least a couple blatant links to TOS continuity. Surak and Mudd are at that perfect spot where they're prominent enough that all the fans know them, but obscure enough that they haven't been overexposed and can still be developed. If they ruin either character, I'll be pissed, but, honestly, they could have done worse.
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Jul 23, 2017 13:46
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All I could think of while watching that trailer was the Sphinx. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKGX9tdPeN0
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It's hard for them to screw up Mudd. The more the better. Have him do all kinds of silly poo poo no one will believe.
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Jul 23, 2017 14:23
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Biggest fear here is that they are going to make Mudd a homicidal super criminal maniac rather than a pathetic huckster. I can't believe I have to say that, could just be because the trailer hints at no tone or mood for the show other than "bad, sad bad", but there you go.
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It could happen but I don't think they would cast Rainn Wilson if that was the direction they were going with the character
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Arglebargle III posted:It's telling the argument on the side of Discovery passes by any semblance of defense and goes straight to whataboutism. "What if they made a trailer for DS9 full of action scenes and war dialogue and klingons, what then  " It would still be more interesting because DS9's action scenes and war dialogue and klingons aren't transparently demo-chasing focus-grouped X-TREEM flotsam in a sea of better scifi options.This is now the third iteration of the cynical non-committal "not really a reboot, come along core fanbase! yeah pretty much a reboot just give us your loving money and don't raise a stink" strategy following Enterprise and JJtrek and it only gets more blatant and sad each time.
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I think some of the show-people said Game of Thrones was a big influence. It is what it is.Arglebargle III posted:It's telling the argument on the side of Discovery passes by any semblance of defense and goes straight to whataboutism. And over the long term, a kind of "ideal" Trek (like, thematically) is hard to pin down. Keep in mind DS9 is a favorite of a lot of really hardcore Trekkers and it was a militaristic space opera. But we had great characters like Sisko, Worf, Kira, Dukat, Garak. Imagine I'm saying this in a Mr. Plinkett voice. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7Lr8cdZwHQ&t=343s I think that's also the reason why it's usually stronger as a T.V. series than as a movie franchise. We won't know if Discovery succeeds until we see it, but the pre-release hype from the show (for what it's worth) has been emphasizing characters! character development! arcs! That's a good thing. BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 15:07 on Jul 23, 2017 |
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McSpanky posted:"What if they made a trailer for DS9 full of action scenes and war dialogue and klingons, what then Shut that drat thing off!
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The clip they show is both good in that Wilson has the look and voice down, but bad because it's making Harry look like some kind of maniacal badass Joker-type, when he's always been shown to be a wussy con-artist who backs down at the slightest pressure.
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Gaz-L posted:The clip they show is both good in that Wilson has the look and voice down, but bad because it's making Harry look like some kind of maniacal badass Joker-type, when he's always been shown to be a wussy con-artist who backs down at the slightest pressure. Well that's only because you meet him after his dealings with Commander Awesome and the crew of the USS Awesome They broke him with their Awesomeness
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Isaacs is kind of a dick here but he's right: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJC8TlzEAgc&t=127s
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McSpanky posted:"What if they made a trailer for DS9 full of action scenes and war dialogue and klingons, what then You said it better than I was able to express. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgRlzFIgm1E Now let's all make fun of this.
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Arglebargle III posted:Now let's all make fun of this It sucked.
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Arglebargle III posted:Now let's all make fun of this. I stopped watching it the second Gary Johnson showed up. Is there any scene where he's just agreeing with every single Rule of Acquisition and is also creating newer more terrible ones?
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Arglebargle III posted:You said it better than I was able to express. This doesn't make any sense. They believe in leaving people alone but they hate gay people?
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Cojawfee posted:This doesn't make any sense. They believe in leaving people alone but they hate gay people? It's best not to try to think too hard about libertarian ideology. Likewise I never understood far-right-wing types who like Star Trek. It's literally a post-capitalist big-government utopia.
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Meanwhile in good Star Trek news: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMKECRnZe2U
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It's pretty sad that I'm more excited about Seth MacFarlane's Star Trek parody starring Seth MacFarlane than I am for an actual new Star Trek show.
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Pakled posted:It's pretty sad that I'm more excited about Seth MacFarlane's Star Trek parody starring Seth MacFarlane than I am for an actual new Star Trek show. Yea, same here. That actually looks like it might be fun to watch, hopefully it matches the tone of Galaxy Quest more than Family Guy.
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Pakled posted:It's pretty sad that I'm more excited about Seth MacFarlane's Star Trek parody starring Seth MacFarlane than I am for an actual new Star Trek show. Same, but it's not necessarily because Discovery looks so poo poo. It's just that if Orville manages to capture even 20% of what made Galaxy Quest great, then it'll be a really fun show to watch. I'm still cautiously optimistic given Mcfarlane's involvement, but the SDCC trailer is really promising.
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Also, it's going to be hilarious when Orville blows Discovery out of the water ratings-wise because one is on network TV and the other is on loving CBS All Access.
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I do like the Orville's design, but I'm a sucker for shiny white curved things. Hell, the trailers almost give the impression of the ship's crew being people who just want to get their job done, and/or are slowly being driven nuts putting up with their captain. Then again, maybe a captain who struggles to take anything seriously is exactly what you want when dealing with the frontier weirdness of space.
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WampaLord posted:Yea, same here. That actually looks like it might be fun to watch, hopefully it matches the tone of Galaxy Quest more than Family Guy. I wonder if Seth will have the guts to do a Family Guy "It's like that time..." cutaway gag fake out?
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I honestly don't trust McFarlane to not end up in the Family Guy style comedy.
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McSpanky posted:This is now the third iteration of the cynical non-committal "not really a reboot, come along core fanbase! yeah pretty much a reboot just give us your loving money and don't raise a stink" strategy following Enterprise and JJtrek and it only gets more blatant and sad each time. We are fortunate to live in a time where at least we can pirate this thing to see if it's any good first before wasting our money on it. I really hate to feel negative but just nothing about it looks intriguing or fun. Meanwhile, fuckin' family guy dude is making that show and the trailer looked dope. This is the darkest timeline.
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The_Doctor posted:Meanwhile in good Star Trek news: This still looks horrendous, and demonstrates how far Star Trek has sunk when it's being cannibalized for lame sitcom material while actual Star Trek is an endless feedback loop of remakes because you liked Spock, right? Also, it doesn't look anything like Galaxy Quest, it just looks ~~IRREVERENT~~ THEN AGAIN, maybe Star Trek not taking itself so loving seriously is exactly what the doctor ordered.
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I don't even really give a poo poo about Spock or Kirk. The high point was TNG and DS9 but the remakers like to pretend those shows didn't exist.
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