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DaveWoo posted:http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/23/schumer-democrats-namby-pamby-240857 I'm just waiting till this thing is out before I make any more posts about it, it's been too much of a roller coaster of "It sounds good, it sounds bad, it sounds good again!"
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I wonder if they're making reluctant concessions because they know they're completely hosed otherwise, or if they're going to be genuinely surprised that people react positively to the prospect of good things.
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Jul 23, 2017 17:04
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Why is all that on table instead of part and parcel of Monday's policy drop
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DaveWoo posted:http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/23/schumer-democrats-namby-pamby-240857 "Medicaid buy-in" worries me since "Medicaid for All" would immediately be shot down with cries of "I DON'T WANT NO POOR PEOPLE INSURANCE" while you can sell "Medicare for All" much more easily Schumer might be purposefully trying to confuse people who don't understand the difference between Medicare and Medicaid
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Jul 23, 2017 17:39
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WampaLord posted:Wow, you turned into a loving gibbering idiot in record time. No one cares about your crazy ideas about how America is doomed and needs to be rebuilt from the ground up. You literally sound like a Metal Gear villain. VitalSigns posted:I wouldn't worry too much about this Sneakster fellow, he's not even American. He makes too many mistakes with his articles that a native English speaker would never make. DaveWoo posted:http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/23/schumer-democrats-namby-pamby-240857 How many loving decades do we have to fall behind first world countries before the democrats consider it pressing? Talk Down The Sticker Price posted:Asked if single-payer was on the table, Schumer responded: "Sure." Inescapable Duck posted:I wonder if they're making reluctant concessions because they know they're completely hosed otherwise, or if they're going to be genuinely surprised that people react positively to the prospect of good things. Raskolnikov38 posted:Why is all that on table instead of part and parcel of Monday's policy drop Talk Down The Sticker Price posted:Economics is our strength, and we are going to get at it." EugeneJ posted:Schumer might be purposefully trying to confuse people who don't understand the difference between Medicare and Medicaid I'm on medicaid and somehow surviving the Stalinist nightmare of socialized medicine forcing me into waiting entire days for surgery, lab work, 1$ prescriptions/refills, multiple offices conveniently located, and no copays. I don't think Americans would be able to accept anything like this, insurance companies have let Schumer know this plan would be very unpopular. Sneakster fucked around with this message at 18:00 on Jul 23, 2017 |
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Jul 23, 2017 17:56
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You'd have to have been asleep for the last few decades if you trust Schumer and other weaselly financed owned Democrats like him.
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Jul 23, 2017 18:22
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Sneakster posted:Abandoned, not rebuilt. Well, to be frank, gently caress off out of here then and don't come back. I don't want to share my country with weak cowards like you who's answer to "We have a lot of work to do" is to go "Nah gently caress that lol!"
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Jul 23, 2017 18:24
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Why is all that on table instead of part and parcel of Monday's policy drop No you see them considering putting it in their policy proposal is a good thing because that means they will totally do it when/if they ever get in power. What I don't get is why not shoot for the moon? It's a loving proposal to sell the Democrats.
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Jul 23, 2017 18:35
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WampaLord posted:Well, to be frank, gently caress off out of here then and don't come back. I don't want to share my country with weak cowards like you who's answer to "We have a lot of work to do" is to go "Nah gently caress that lol!" tekz posted:You'd have to have been asleep for the last few decades if you trust Schumer and other weaselly financed owned Democrats like him. axelord posted:What I don't get is why not shoot for the moon? It's a loving proposal to sell the Democrats.
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Jul 23, 2017 18:43
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Lmao Sneakster, if you -actually- leave the country, give up your citizenship, and never return, I will donate $20 to the charity of your choice. 
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ugh its Troika posted:Lmao I have nothing but faith in America and high expectations for its future. Sneakster fucked around with this message at 19:11 on Jul 23, 2017 |
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Jul 23, 2017 18:57
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Stabenow butchered Hoekstra in 2012. I don't think Kid Rock declaring that he's going to run for her seat is a damning indictment of Michigan, much less America.
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Ronald Reagan was an actor, we had Jesse Venture and Arnold Schwarzenegger and Al Franken and so on, the idea that Kid Rock is running for senate is not some sort of portent of doom and gloom, you loving idiot. A bad politician doesn't equal the end of the country. We survived Nixon, for gently caress's sake. You're worse than Arzy.
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Jul 23, 2017 19:28
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Great Metal Jesus posted:Stabenow butchered Hoekstra in 2012. I don't think Kid Rock declaring that he's going to run for her seat is a damning indictment of Michigan, much less America. WampaLord posted:Ronald Reagan was an actor, we had Jesse Venture and Arnold Schwarzenegger and Al Franken and so on, the idea that Kid Rock is running for senate is not some sort of portent of doom and gloom, you loving idiot. Sneakster fucked around with this message at 19:41 on Jul 23, 2017 |
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Jul 23, 2017 19:37
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Sneakster posted:More of the entire human race. 
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Jul 23, 2017 19:41
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Sneakster posted:More of the entire human race. Maybe he'll end up AG under The Rock's administration. It was very controversial when when he brought on The Situation as Secretary of Defense. I don't see what one has to do with the other. Dolph Lundgren has a Master's Degree in Chemical Engineering and is known for being a knock-off Schwarzenegger starring in low grade shlock.
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Sneakster posted:Reagan was governor of California, not a redneck act emphasizing their folksy stupidity, nor were the others high-lighting the absurdity of their campaign right after Citizens United. Al Franken held no political office other than TV funnyman and now he's one of the better D Senators we have, so what's your point?
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SimonCat posted:I don't see what one has to do with the other. Dolph Lundgren has a Master's Degree in Chemical Engineering and is known for being a knock-off Schwarzenegger starring in low grade shlock. Celebrities running for office don't run't as the characters they played right after campaign regulations disappear. This is a new low.
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SimonCat posted:I don't see what one has to do with the other. Dolph Lundgren has a Master's Degree in Chemical Engineering and is known for being a knock-off Schwarzenegger starring in low grade shlock. Dolph is better than Arnold and I would vote for him for god emperor of mankind
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Jul 23, 2017 20:09
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Sneakster posted:This is a new low. Only according to your broken brain. poo poo, you'd have any sort of point if he wins, but we've always had crackpot idiots who run for office and lose. And if you go "Well he could win, because Trump won!" then you can just pre-emptively laugh at yourself on my behalf.
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Jul 23, 2017 20:10
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Europe has had a couple celeb politicians too, although the only examples I can think of off the top of my head are Italian and either good (the two pornstars) or godawful (Berlusconi and Beppe Grillo)
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Jul 23, 2017 20:39
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Christopher Waltz running for office is not the same thing as Colonel Hans Landa running for office.
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And yet both are the same in that neither shows that the nation and/or humanity is doomed. You read like a loving first year college student who has just discovered that change is hard, the world is hosed up, and sometimes bad things happen. And your reaction is to plan to fygm your way out of the country.
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Jul 23, 2017 20:46
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Berlusconi was basically a dry run for Trump and he deeply hosed Italy up, they're still recovering. Grillo is an out and out conspiracy theorist who doesn't believe AIDS is caused by HIV, is an anti-vaxxer and so on.
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It's gonna be pretty funny when the Democrats run a bunch of empty suits with super obviously fake center left messaging and get clowned by Kid Rock, Curt Schilling, Tila Tequila and Doctor Phil. Chuck Shumer is going to lose his reelection campaign to Hulk Hogan.
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Unbelievably Fat Man posted:It's gonna be pretty funny when the Democrats run a bunch of empty suits with super obviously fake center left messaging and get clowned by Kid Rock, Curt Schilling, Tila Tequila and Doctor Phil. Chuck Shumer is going to lose his reelection campaign to Hulk Hogan. new york is the birth place of hulkamania after all
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Lightning Lord posted:Berlusconi was basically a dry run for Trump and he deeply hosed Italy up, they're still recovering. Grillo is an out and out conspiracy theorist who doesn't believe AIDS is caused by HIV, is an anti-vaxxer and so on. Good news, Berlusconi is gonna run again, for president this time.
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quote:Democratic leaders shared few details to preserve suspense around the plan, which is scheduled to be unveiled Monday at an event in Virginia’s 10th Congressional District, where the party hopes to defeat incumbent Rep. Barbara Comstock (R). But some lawmakers, aides and outside advocates consulted on the new agenda said that it is expected to focus on new proposals to fund job-training programs, renegotiate trade deals and address soaring prescription-drug costs, as well as other issues. It is also expected to endorse long-held Democratic principles, including “a living wage” of $15 per hour and already unveiled spending plans for infrastructure that would expand broadband Internet access into rural counties. https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...m=.50a96b6817ff Let's see. In 'democrats are a waste' speak, I see job-training programs = tax credits, renegotiate trade deals = more trade deals, address soaring prescription-drug costs = some type of government subsidy in the style of aca, $15 per hour = ten to twenty years from now, broadband internet access into rural countries = billions in free money for monopolist corporate ISPs to pocket just like every other time we tried to pay them to expand internet access
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Unbelievably Fat Man posted:It's gonna be pretty funny when the Democrats run a bunch of empty suits with super obviously fake center left messaging and get clowned by Kid Rock, Curt Schilling, Tila Tequila and Doctor Phil. Chuck Shumer is going to lose his reelection campaign to Hulk Hogan. This is true.
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Call Me Charlie posted:https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...m=.50a96b6817ff Oh, all the good things will be in the document, alright. But if the Dems ever get back to power, they will suddenly uncover a host of procedural obstacles unfortunately preventing them from fulfilling single one of them.
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The honorable senator Ouija Board Connected to the Ultimate Warrior's Corpse attempted a filibuster against the Democrats' We Have To Bring Back Slavery to Save Welfare Act but President Paltrow applied homeopathic mud to him and dispelled the Warrior's shade. His own Bring Back Slavery to Bring Back Slavery Act should be thought committee and up for a vote next week.
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steinrokkan posted:Oh, all the good things will be in the document, alright. But if the Dems ever get back to power, they will suddenly uncover a host of procedural obstacles unfortunately preventing them from fulfilling single one of them. I could see them doing most of that. The Democrats love shoveling obscene amounts of taxpayer money directly into corporate pockets to protect the status quo, tax credits are basically what Hillary was suggesting for West Virginia and there's nothing that gets New Democrats harder than the idea of entering bad trade deals. The only thing that's problematic is $15 an hour but you just know they'll compromise to slowly raising it to $15 by 2035 and call it a victory. (oops the mean old republicans repealed it before it could go into effect  )
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Call Me Charlie posted:I could see them doing most of that. The Democrats love shoveling obscene amounts of taxpayer money directly into corporate pockets to protect the status quo, tax credits are basically what Hillary was suggesting for West Virginia and there's nothing that gets New Democrats harder than the idea of entering bad trade deals. I'm surprised they don't just take a page out of the GOP playbook, and symbolically try to pass it 47 times, like the GOP tried with attempting to repeal Neoliberal Obamacare.
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Great Metal Jesus posted:And yet both are the same in that neither shows that the nation and/or humanity is doomed. You read like a loving first year college student who has just discovered that change is hard, the world is hosed up, and sometimes bad things happen. And your reaction is to plan to fygm your way out of the country. I always knew change was hard, I've just discovered that its impossible and the circumstance has gone from tragedy to farce. My reaction is a plan to achieve the American Dream: exploiting American labor and embracing social inclusion and cutting taxes on our struggling middle class while encouraging entrepreneurship via an innovative business model. I'll be best buddies with Fulchrum, we'll donate money to Tom Perez and Chuck Schumer. We'll laugh at the Bern-outs and the white trash working class complain about 'muh quality of life in a first world country' and call people retards for not groveling hard enough. Thank God the GOP runs insane cartoons so we don't even have to worry about the base going else where. Maybe if Pelosi gets begged hard enough we can push for $12 min wage by 2030. Psuedo edit: Oh for fucks sake "Lucille Ball D-CA' posted:not a course correction, but it’s a presentation correction.” Sneakster fucked around with this message at 21:42 on Jul 23, 2017 |
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Jul 23, 2017 21:36
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Oh god, I missed this part of the article.quote:Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) said in an interview previewing the new plan. “So what did we do wrong? People didn’t know what we stood for, just that we were against Trump. And still believe that.”
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Jul 23, 2017 21:47
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Mister Facetious posted:I'm surprised they don't just take a page out of the GOP playbook, and symbolically try to pass it 47 times, like the GOP tried with attempting to repeal Neoliberal Obamacare. It is impossible to do that until Democrats retake the house. Democrats can't even get a vote until then.
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Jul 23, 2017 21:54
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Sneakster posted:What is the fastest and most effective way to tell them this is terrible and will lose them 2018? Their corporate donors are happy with Trump - why do they give a poo poo if they lose? https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/06/21/republican-national-committee-fundraising/417547001/ quote:The Republican National Committee raised nearly $10.9 million in May, more than twice the amount collected by its Democratic counterpart, new filings show. Dems are hosed
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isn't the whole "people flipped for trump!" thing just people seeing counties flip and not realize it was depressed dem turnout and not them literally switching their votes.
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Groovelord Neato posted:isn't the whole "people flipped for trump!" thing just people seeing counties flip and not realize it was depressed dem turnout and not them literally switching their votes. You can't inject any reason right now, people are all aboard the USS Everything's hosed, maybe on Monday when we have actual details we can have a more productive discussion. For the record, calm down, y'all. We don't actually know anything yet, stop chicken littling about how it could be the worst thing ever.
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