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maskenfreiheit posted:So what are most people's heuristics for when to go in vs fold? Lol wut
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# ? Jul 21, 2017 20:59 |
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JaySB posted:Lol wut Like, how do you decide whether to fold pre-flop. I've been folding pre-flop. unless I have at least a pair or suited high cards.
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# ? Jul 21, 2017 21:04 |
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maskenfreiheit posted:Like, how do you decide whether to fold pre-flop. That's seems like a pretty exploitable play style tbh. I mean I don't play tons live but it probably good enough to win at 1/2...but I feel like at best you are leaving some money on the table... I would at least try to find some decent starting hand charts and memorize those or do some flopzilla or pokerstove work and try to come up with some decent ranges for different positions.
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# ? Jul 22, 2017 01:03 |
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You can't just play the same starting cards everytime you have to mix it up. What position are you in? How many people at the table? Aggressive players or nits? There are so many different factors to determine besides just the starting hand. I just recently moved to Florida and the play here is vastly different than Cleveland. In Cleveland a majority of people are super aggressive so I tend to play a little tighter based on position. In Florida they are all rocks and are sitting there waiting to die with their retirement money so I play super aggressive and steal pots with lovely hands all the time. I amaze myself at how many times I get old dudes to fold when I have nothing. In Cleveland I couldn't get bottom pair to fold and usually had to set a lot of traps and check call or check raise. Doing that also raises the risk of letting your opponent catch up to you or hitting his draw so it's very tricky. You should be constantly changing your play style so people can't figure you out. If you just play premium hands especially in a cash game then in my opinion you are headed for disaster.
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# ? Jul 22, 2017 13:49 |
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to be clear, i'm not a total nit... if i have a chip advantage and someone seems like a shy player i'll steal a few pots here and there ex: i'm playing 1/2 NL, catch A5 unsuited, BB is a slowly dwindling nit, i'll raise 5 or 10 and watch him run.
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# ? Jul 22, 2017 15:42 |
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There's literally a million resources on hand ranges. Sticking to "pairs and suited face cards" is awful.
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# ? Jul 22, 2017 18:50 |
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JaySB posted:There's literally a million resources on hand ranges. Sticking to "pairs and suited face cards" is awful. To be fair you could do worse, but you can do a lot better
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# ? Jul 23, 2017 21:54 |
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maskenfreiheit posted:So what are most people's heuristics for when to go in vs fold? Are you talking about in tournaments? The cards you see the flop with vary hugely depending on the situation. I mean, you have to start with some rudimentary advice somewhere (we all did) but most of the people talking to you here have played poker for years and years and when you ask them "what are your heuristics for when to go in vs. fold?" the immediate reaction is to talk about the what-ifs because they are what matters the most in those decisions. Here's one of the best players in the world talking about his decisions that went into how he played a now famous hand, it's in a cash game but I'm posting it so you can hear him think about what he was actually thinking about. When I first saw this video I was pretty excited to hear what was going on in his head because the play to me looked insane. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DR6AHzamALs Here's another well known and very good poker player walking you though his decisions similarly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i97F6I2xrKc If you're looking for a good place to start with what hands to open with in a tournament the best thing to start thinking about is a thing called M: https://www.888poker.com/magazine/strategy/m-ratio-poker/ The key to all poker decisions is to think "does this make me money long term." Throwing away a good prospect is as expensive as pitching in money on a losing spot. Its difficult to do this well, that's the essence of poker. raton fucked around with this message at 22:07 on Jul 23, 2017 |
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Sheep-Goats posted:Are you talking about in tournaments? Thanks, those are some cool links. I'm more thinking of cash games. I also don't have a ton of experience, so my upcoming trip to Vegas will be a trial by fire. (Purposefully set a budget I can afford to lose all of)
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# ? Jul 23, 2017 22:05 |
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I prefer this play. Balls of steel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2VkLJKfLYo
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# ? Jul 23, 2017 23:18 |
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maskenfreiheit posted:So what are most people's heuristics for when to go in vs fold? Imaduck posted:Here are the basics for preflop poker for newbies: If you want to understand the theory behind hand ranges and all that a little better, I really think Harrington on Hold'em does the best job explaining not only what hands you should play, but why you should play them. Hand range charts are a nice place to start, but if you want to grow as a player, you really need to understand the underlying theory of why you're playing certain hands in certain situations so that you can adapt on the fly, as opposed to sticking to some prescribed formula. Simple, prescribed formulas rarely work in poker, and will never work against very good players. Imaduck fucked around with this message at 07:14 on Jul 24, 2017 |
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Imaduck posted:I made a post earlier in this thread that's probably a good place to start for preflop strategy: Thanks a ton this is exactly the kind of thing I was looking for
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# ? Jul 24, 2017 14:48 |
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One thing to keep in mind with preflop play is the "Gap Theory," which relates to calling. It basically says that when you call a raise preflop, you should have a stronger calling range than what your opponent raised with. How I approach this myself is to have well-defined ranges from Early Position (EP), MP, and the Cutoff (CO). If I'm playing full-ring (7-10 players), I have another range for the Hijack (HJ, one seat earlier than CO). I drill drill drill these ranges into my brain. Then, when someone opens from one of these positions, I can quickly tap into my own range for that position and think about how often this opponent opens from this position and then determine my calling range. Say my opponent (Villain/Vil.) is raising PF (preflop) about as often as I do, and Vil opens from EP. I'll put him on a 8-10% range which means that I'll call him with about 5-6% of hands, i.e., I'll only call him with the better hands in Vil's range. I will only re-raise (3Bet) Vil with only things like AAs and KKs, maayyyybe AK (I won't go into the reasons for this right now). I will NOT call him with my full 15-18% HJ range. My 15-18% HJ range is only the range I open raise with. However, if I'm on the Button, I may call with a 8-10% range that includes some worse hands than Vil has in their EP opening range. This is because there are only Blinds to act after me PF and I will have ultimate position post-flop, which I can potentially use to take down the pot. These worse hands will be things like smaller pairs (to hope to flop a set) and suited connectors (to hit a straight or flush). If my opponent plays a tighter game than I do, I'll call tighter; I'f he's looser, I'll call/3Bet wider. I also adjust my ranges based upon the effective stack - i.e., potential $ to win. I'm more likely to tighten up against smaller stacks since the weaker parts of my range want to get more money when they do hit big, and using position to float/raise/etc. with these hands could put me into a bad situation against a smaller stack if I don't hit. I generally try to make sure that I am raising much much more often than I am calling, which means that AJo on the BTN usually doesn't look so good when someone opens in EP and then someone else in MP calls. Edit: For a bit of clarification: If my opening range is 15%, when I have the opportunity to open raise, I am usuallyfolding 85% of the time, because I will only hit those cards in my range 15% of the time. If my Call vs X is 10%, every time I have the opportunity to call, I will usually be folding 90%. I say usually due to variance - I may catch hands in those ranges more or less often. The 10% is not about frequency played, it's about 10% of the 1326 possible starting hand combinations, I am playing 132 whenever I am dealt one of them. I'm not sitting there thinking, "Hmmmm, I've folded in this position 9/10 times, the next time I should open raise because I'm supposed to be playing 10% of the time." Subjunctivitis fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Jul 24, 2017 |
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Some quick questions on hands to have in a range: How does my hand rank "absolutely"? What made hand do I want to make with this hand? How often do I expect to make that hand? If/when I don't make my hand, how often can I still win the pot? You can think about the following hands: AA, AKs, KJo, J9s, 66, ATo, A3s, 76s, 73o, Q4s
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# ? Jul 24, 2017 20:32 |
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Also: How often can I make it to showdown when I make this hand? (e.g. a pair of sevens with Q7s) How often will I lose even when I make my hand?
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# ? Jul 24, 2017 20:45 |
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Why is ACR so drat empty? You'd think the only normal site most Americans have access to would be filled to the brim. They want to stay small so they don't advertise, like at all?
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# ? Jul 26, 2017 23:27 |
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I don't think they wan't to stay small necessarily... but I doubt they're flush with cash to spend on marketing. It's also unclear how effective it would be; it takes a decent amount of commitment by most people's standards to get up and running with cash on ACR. Poker is already a niche market at this point, and I imagine the conversion rate from advertisement to customer is rather low. In addition, it appears Google AdWords is pretty restrictive about what gambling sites they allow, and I doubt ACR would pass their scrutiny. This is mostly just speculation, of course. I also don't there's any chance of online poker becoming huge in the US unless it becomes unambiguously legal, player bases are merged across state lines, and it becomes easy to get money in and out of the sites. Even in the states where online gambling is legal in the US, my understanding is that poker isn't doing incredibly well. There's not a ton of competition, and many companies have gone under. PokerStars NJ seems to be doing okay, but nothing like the old days or PokerStarts international.
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Imaduck posted:I don't think they wan't to stay small necessarily... but I doubt they're flush with cash to spend on marketing. It's also unclear how effective it would be; it takes a decent amount of commitment by most people's standards to get up and running with cash on ACR. Poker is already a niche market at this point, and I imagine the conversion rate from advertisement to customer is rather low. In addition, it appears Google AdWords is pretty restrictive about what gambling sites they allow, and I doubt ACR would pass their scrutiny. There was far more action on Bovada than the legal WSOP run site in Nevada.
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