FuriousxGeorge posted:

Training isn't the problem. Wages are. There are plenty of low wage jobs out there that do not require much training, they are just hard as hell and don't pay what they should or they are demeaning and don't pay what they should.

What industry is facing a labor shortage right now because working class people aren't trained to participate in it?

punk rebel ecks posted:

What would you all propose the Democrats should do right now with the resources they have?

FuriousxGeorge posted:

Training isn't the problem. Wages are. There are plenty of low wage jobs out there that do not require much training, they are just hard as hell and don't pay what they should or they are demeaning and don't pay what they should.

What industry is facing a labor shortage right now because working class people aren't trained to participate in it?

SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:

Like actually dead in back to the drawing board or just useless garbage like we're saying

FuriousxGeorge posted:

Training isn't the problem. Wages are. There are plenty of low wage jobs out there that do not require much training, they are just hard as hell and don't pay what they should or they are demeaning and don't pay what they should.

What industry is facing a labor shortage right now because working class people aren't trained to participate in it?

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Governor Jerry Brown is against single payer. California politics aren't nearly as left wing as you'd like to think they are.

Agean90 posted:

they be been getting blowback from their wall street donors who are shook by the eat the rich mentality that's spreading around

Venom Snake posted:

I would not be surprised if we saw some uhm "revisions" but it's probably going to be a shitshow where there isn't any unified message again because nobody wants to tie themselves to it

The Democrats! posted:

Just loving kill me, it's better than dying in a ditch five years from now

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Training is a problem because employers aren't willing to train, which simultaneously keeps the reserve pool of labor high and maintains a premium on experienced labor - which they don't have to eat the costs of training to hire on. If they absolutely have to they will train people, but that's no good for the recently graduated or the long-term unemployed.

Concerned Citizen posted:

in particular, skilled trade jobs like construction have a pretty big shortage.

Venom Snake posted:

When I talk about political alignment I'm referring to the general population. Governance is only loosely connected to prevailing personal political beliefs

SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:

Just loving kill me, it's better than dying in a ditch five years from now

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This doesn't make any sense, you're saying that employers benefit from having to pay experienced labor a higher wage? They're "eating the costs of training" and then some when they pay a $150k coder instead of educating a $50k analyst.

call to action posted:

Something tells me this on-the-job training will look a lot like internships, where you "learn" about the job for a week and then just loving do it, at quarter pay

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LONG BEFORE THE AGE OF OBAMA, FEDERAL SPENDING became the panacea for social problems. Not content with new spending for new ideas, from high-speed passenger-rail services to bankruptcy bailouts, the Obama administration has revived spending for bad old ideas. Nothing better illustrates this folly than federally funded summer-job programs.

Congress torpedoed such programs a decade ago, but President Barack Obama's team revived them in the stimulus package passed in February. The federal government is providing $1.2 billion to hire 125,000 teens and young adults this summer. Local and state governments are plowing in many millions of dollars more to hire thousands of additional youth. The pay rate varies from the new minimum wage, $7.25 an hour, to $10 an hour. The vast majority of jobs are at government agencies or nonprofit organizations.

National Urban League chief Marc Morial declares the summer jobs will build character: "If we want urban kids to value work, we have to give them work."

Summer Excursions

In Philadelphia, teens are getting paid to engage in high-tech scavenger hunts. In Cincinnati, small Kentucky towns, and elsewhere, youth are enjoying painting large pictures on building walls. In Memphis, lucky teens are being paid to "shadow" adults with real government jobs. And in the nation's capital, 800 young people are enrolled this year in the Green Summer Job Corps, wearing T-shirts trumpeting the name of Mayor Adrian Fenty. Among the Corps projects: "maintenance of schoolyard butterfly habitats" and "community outreach on environmental issues." The outreach, however, got off to a rocky start after Corps members filled the streets and sidewalks of Washington D.C.'s Adams-Morgan neighborhood with leaflets touting the program. The city should have offered other youth summer jobs cleaning up the mess.

The D.C. program had bigger troubles last year, including overspending its budget by 150% and having no idea how many kids were enrolled or where they purportedly worked. D.C. paid kids to attend a sports camp, take ballet lessons, and hold a poetry reading. A spokeswoman for Mayor Fenty acknowledged that "no substantive evaluations on program quality were conducted."

Mayors and members of Congress show up frequently in media photo opportunities for summer-job programs. But the programs are usually gauged simply by raw numbers -- by how many kids get a job. D.C. council member Michael Brown requested two summer jobs participants to work in his office, but the mayor's job corps sent him 10. He suggested at a public hearing that the program might be "child-dumping" to boost the number of kids enrolled.

The Wrong Lessons

Advocates claim that job programs give kids lessons that will change their lives, but the lessons are often of doubtful value. The Tulare County, Calif. summer-job program provides kids with "workshops on safety, ethics and life skills" -- as well as "referrals to armed services."

True, there are things more absurd than government agencies' paying teens for a day to learn how to find and keep a job. But the highlight of a job-preparation "summit" in Orlando, Fla., was a motivational speaker named Marvellous Mark, whose slogan is "Opportunity Rocks." According to Workforce Central Florida (a successor to state unemployment offices, which also dispense federal job-training funds in the area), Marvellous Mark's presentation "is based on this simple premise: The qualities successful rock stars have are also found in every successful worker."

The key thing kids should learn from their first jobs is to produce enough value that someone will voluntarily pay them a wage. But the goal for summer-job programs is often simply to make kids feel good about themselves. Many programs bend over backward to avoid firing kids, regardless of their behavior. The D.C. program last year continued paying almost 2,000 kids long after they had achieved a record of perfect absenteeism.

Politicians brag that government-funded summer jobs helps kids get a foot into the labor market. However, the federal hiring criteria for this year's program could affix a scarlet letter on youths later seeking real private jobs. Most kids who receive a federally subsidized summer job must possess at least one "barrier" to employment, such as being a school dropout, pregnant, criminal offender, runaway, homeless or deficient in "basic skills."

The precedents don't bode well. In 1985, the National Academy of Sciences reported that the summer-job program failed to reduce the crime rate among participants. As for the economics, a Health and Human Services Department-funded study of summer-job programs in the 1980s by two Harvard University professors concluded that "roughly 40% of jobs simply displace private employment" for minority youth.

SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:

Once again we must run from what the voters want and the gop will accuse us of anyway

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Not really, or else you'd see wages increasing much faster in that sector than normal

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Source your "buidling" data, lol

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Main Paineframe posted:

i wonder if anything happened right before 2010 that absolutely devastated construction wages and employment

some kind of Great...i don't know, Recession? maybe in 2009, or even 2008? and construction was one of the hardest-hit industries because it was deeply tied to the bubble that popped?

eh, I'm sure it's nothing

Concerned Citizen posted:

http://eyeonhousing.org/2016/06/residential-building-construction-wages-are-on-the-rise/

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Did you look at this graph, the one on the page you posted, that shows how their wages were underindexing all industries until recently and still haven't made parity

Of course you didn't!

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According to a National Association of Home Builders analysis of BLS data, the construction industry set a cycle high of 225,000 open jobs in July 2016, the most since February 2007. Meanwhile, the share of builders reporting a shortage of key trades has risen from 21% in 2012 to 56% in 2016.

Darkman Fanpage posted:

SIR! SIR! SIR! HOW DARE YOU POINT OUT THAT HILLARY CLINTON HAD NO MESSAGE!

from everyone's favorite cnn editor-at-large and foot fetishist chris cillizza
Chuck Schumer just threw Hillary Clinton under the bus

Condiv posted:

centrists will absolutely destroy the better deal made to give them political cover, entirely cause someone said it was a message hillary was missing and they can brook no criticism of slay queen

Concerned Citizen posted:

well 1. it would be a surprise if construction hit parity with "all industries" given it's a blue collar job and 2. the growth is uneven, not everywhere has a job shortage so the overall national raises are only 2% higher than the broader economy

Concerned Citizen posted:

yes and it is a problem for the construction industry as many people with specialized skills lost their jobs, were unable to find work, and decided to stop working in home construction

Concerned Citizen posted:

well 1. it would be a surprise if construction hit parity with "all industries" given it's a blue collar job