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The way that Democrats keep talking about helping out small businesses every election, you'd think that they were the pro-business party and the Republicans were blocking their agenda. Supposing these pro-business policies were good, why haven't the Democrats been able to implement all of them and then move on to helping everybody else? I think probably just start from having the words "small business" in their platform every four years while coming up with the "message" and then go backward from there.Machiavelli posted:Severities should be dealt out all at once, so that their suddenness may give less offense; benefits ought to be handed ought drop by drop, so that they may be relished the more.
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VitalSigns posted:No they wouldn't, you put language in the bill that the single payer law will only go into effect subject to public approval of a ballot initiative (Prop WXYZ) that exempts its funding sources from Prop 98 or whatever that dumb school funding one is. If a democratic supermajority in a solid blue state with an economy that dwarfs that of most countries in the world refuses to implement UHC, I think it's time to give up on the democratic party.
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tekz posted:If a democratic supermajority in a solid blue state with an economy that dwarfs that of most countries in the world refuses to implement UHC, I think it's time to give up on the democratic party. no no, you just didn't vote in the right kind of democrats! which kind are the right kind? just vote for the lesser evil!!
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tekz posted:If a democratic supermajority in a solid blue state with an economy that dwarfs that of most countries in the world refuses to implement UHC, I think it's time to give up on the democratic party. Way ahead of you comrade! 🌹
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galenanorth posted:The way that Democrats keep talking about helping out small businesses every election, you'd think that they were the pro-business party and the Republicans were blocking their agenda. Supposing these pro-business policies were good, why haven't the Democrats been able to implement all of them and then move on to helping everybody else? I think probably just start from having the words "small business" in their platform every four years while coming up with the "message" and then go backward from there. Because of loving large businesses and lobbyists and some of the base. Small Business being helped and made stronger in America is bad for big business.
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Whenever I hear politicians talking about helping businesses small, big, or "American" my shoulders sag. I don't give a poo poo about helping business what are you going to do for workers, you know the people whose interests are opposed to that of business interests.
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what the gently caress is a "worker" all I ever hear about are ~*~ job creators ~*~
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Mark my words, that Scaramucci tweet will prove prophetic. The GOP is in prime territory to triangulate - if they got rid of their hatred of women and LGBT people message (obviously in word, not deed) they'd be able to win the majority of the "fiscally conservative, socially liberal" useful idiots out there. The only reason to vote D is the lip service they pay on social issues - what if the GOP took that from them?
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Some good news out of this. quote:But there are early signs of division between leadership and progressives. Our Revolution, an outside group linked to Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), is teaming up with more than a dozen other groups to urge support for the "People's Platform" on Tuesday. https://summerforprogress.com/platform
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This tax cut/investment poo poo is so loving tone deaf lol
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Axetrain posted:Whenever I hear politicians talking about helping businesses small, big, or "American" my shoulders sag. I don't give a poo poo about helping business what are you going to do for workers, you know the people whose interests are opposed to that of business interests. Politicians will start caring about workers and not caring about business when workers start giving them money and start voting en bloc in ways that effect elections outcomes. They don't.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:single payer is good and is absolutely a winning message against establishment democrats, who have no message "Jobs" is a dead-end right now, though, because the unemployment rate is really low, so much so that it can't really get much lower. The problem is wages, benefits (such as healthcare), and job security. It's not that people don't have jobs, it's that the jobs they have aren't sufficient to lift them out of poverty.
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Main Paineframe posted:"Jobs" is a dead-end right now, though, because the unemployment rate is really low, so much so that it can't really get much lower. The problem is wages, benefits (such as healthcare), and job security. It's not that people don't have jobs, it's that the jobs they have aren't sufficient to lift them out of poverty. Sure, that the end of the day, corporations are sitting on so much cash and wages are so flat... gently caress
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:This tax cut/investment poo poo is so loving tone deaf lol I honestly thought it was bullshit made up by lefty twitter.
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ThisIsWhyTrumpWon posted:Politicians will start caring about workers and not caring about business when workers start giving them money and start voting en bloc in ways that effect elections outcomes. huh that's weird coulda sworn some guy raised a bunch of money and almost defeated the dnc machine with small donations.
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Groovelord Neato posted:huh that's weird coulda sworn some guy raised a bunch of money and almost defeated the dnc machine with small donations. But corporations can donate money year long and offer you sweet gigs, the plebs only give you some change for the campaign season.
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Call Me Charlie posted:Some good news out of this. Our Revolution hasn't done anything of note in my state since like March. Them snarky tweets though.
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D.N. Nation posted:Our Revolution hasn't done anything of note in my state since like March. Them snarky tweets though. as opposed to the dems who haven't done anything of note since november 8th 
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look, the democratic party is a private institution that doesn't have to abide by democratic ideals, deal with it do I need to remind you that we live in a republic and not a democracy? bend the knee, bernailure
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https://twitter.com/mattmfm/status/889565749228032005 This pleases me immensely.
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WampaLord posted:https://twitter.com/mattmfm/status/889565749228032005 here comes the purge
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Condiv posted:here comes the purge Whee! I get to break out my sweet Masquerade getup and spiked baseball bat. I put rhinestones on both for just such an occasion. Also doesn't medicare for all save the average American thousands of dollars a year through not having to pay outlandish insurance costs anymore. Albeit at a very small (in comparison) rise in taxes. I'm sure I'd rather pay the $400 a year for comprehensive medical care as opposed to $5000 a year (sans deductibles) for Maybe! Sounds like vasts savings to me.
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Medicare buy in can still be offered as a policy and not be a single payer solution. It's probably best that way too. Allow Medicare to cover basics and private entities offer more complex and complete coverage as is already done.
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under all of sanders's plans only the top 4 percent of earners would end up paying more than they do under the current system.
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Condiv posted:here comes the purge Lol these are democrats challenging incumbent republicans you goober.
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JeffersonClay posted:Lol these are democrats challenging incumbent republicans you goober. good dems can't purge republicans? 
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Groovelord Neato posted:under all of sanders's plans only the top 4 percent of earners would end up paying more than they do under the current system. thats what we in the business like to call a good start
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WampaLord posted:https://twitter.com/mattmfm/status/889565749228032005 Why the gently caress would you make the Y-axis reverse chronological like that. Jesus.
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Kobayashi posted:Why the gently caress would you make the Y-axis reverse chronological like that. Jesus. Dems are so loving stupid they can't even make their dumb graphs right.
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Ah I see WJ has switched from concern trolling that single payer is too expensive to consider to concern trolling that it's not good enough anyway. I'm staying to agree with MLK that moderates are the worst, most contemptible people. Because they know what's right, but because they're personally comfortable they'll spend all their time coming up with dishonest reasons not to do it.
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uhc is too expensive *iraq war is gonna end up costing 7 trillion dollars*
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VitalSigns posted:Ah I see WJ has switched from concern trolling that single payer is too expensive to consider to concern trolling that it's not good enough anyway.  that's an interesting reading of my posts
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Polygynous posted:what the gently caress is a "worker" Whenever a politician says he wants to save jobs it's code for wanting to save profits
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You do that poo poo constantly. You posted the same way about Bernie during  the primaryE: fishmech too. It was his signature move: "Bernie is a hack who doesn't know how the sausage is made. Also, he isn't a Marxist-Leninist so it's not even about who is the real candidate of the Left." The Kingfish fucked around with this message at 01:21 on Jul 25, 2017 |
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UHC is a basic part of any semi-developed nation's infrastructure on the same level as a working sewage system, or an electrical grid.
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The Kingfish posted:You do that poo poo constantly. You posted the same way about Bernie during I don't recall saying Bernie was too expensive
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The Kingfish posted:You like to attack the American Left from both flanks. He's permanently brain-damaged from Abuela's historic and humiliating loss
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