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Coydog
Mar 5, 2007



Fallen Rib

XYLOPAGUS posted:

grabbing some Sport Demons and calling it good

I had two sets of sport demons on my ninjette and consider it to be one one of the best tires I've ever used. They work amazing in wet or dry, feel great when you are pushing hard, and last forever. I seriously got over 8k out of mine, most of it slabbing it with luggage on the back. They are slightly larger than stock, which I think looks cool, but ymmv.



Z3n posted:

Use the Michelin pilot street on your 250.

Normally I love Michelin in cars and bikes, but I found the pilot streets to be very mediocre on my WR250x.

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Renaissance Robot
Oct 10, 2010

Bite my furry metal ass
Are there any bikes other than 125s that have identical tyres (albeit different/reversed tread patterns) front and rear?

I have this vague impression that fat tyres have greater load capacity (whether that's speed/acceleration/luggage/whatever) and thinner tyres turn in faster which is why bigger road bikes generally get asymmetric tyres, but has any manufacturer ever said "gently caress it, max production economy go" and pushed out a middleweight commuter with just one kind of tyre?

I don't actually want to buy this thing (if it even exists, and if it does I'm sure it's more likely to be some kind of maxi scooter), I'm just curious if it's ever been done.

Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester
Oct 3, 2000
I don't think any bikes have identical tires front and rear anymore except some scooters. Which 125s have it? I haven't seen a bike with same F/R since my 1956 BMW, and even then you can run a wider rear if you want. Even 60s/70s bikes have wider rears.

I will say from experience on racing a 50cc that if your bike weighs nothing and makes no power, you basically don't need any tire. I run on 2.25 and 2.50-18 tires on that thing and they are more than enough. It leans quite far over without issues and can brake like crazy poo poo without the front end slipping at all.

Dutymode
Dec 31, 2008

Z3n posted:

Use the Michelin pilot street on your 250.

I don't think those come in 16 inch.

I went with the Kenda 671 because they're cheap as gently caress, otherwise I'd do the Sport Demons.

Here's a long list of options, I'm not sure if they're all still available.

https://faq.ninja250.org/wiki/What_tire_makes_are_available_that_fit_the_250%3F

500excf type r
Mar 7, 2013

I'm as annoying as the high-pitched whine of my motorcycle, desperately compensating for the lack of substance in my life.
BT45s are the gold standard of 16" mini moto racing

XYLOPAGUS
Aug 23, 2006
--the creator of awesome--
Oh I forgot I had asked someone else and they recommended the stones. Good price too, $230 for the set on motorcycle superstore.

Koruthaiolos
Nov 21, 2002


Welp, found the culprit for my clutch issue:



This is a kind of diaphragm thing right where the slave mates to the clutch. As soon as I pulled the slave off it just poured clutch fluid out. The best part is, a replacement isn't available separately from a whole new $170 slave. :(

Revvik
Jul 29, 2006
Fun Shoe


How cooked are these? They're not going to make it 4,000 miles are they. The tire thread has been idle for a while. Any recommendations for a set of SMT tires, mainly for commuting with decent wet grip?

Jazzzzz
May 16, 2002

Koruthaiolos posted:

Welp, found the culprit for my clutch issue:



This is a kind of diaphragm thing right where the slave mates to the clutch. As soon as I pulled the slave off it just poured clutch fluid out. The best part is, a replacement isn't available separately from a whole new $170 slave. :(

The part #s for the clutch slave on KTM's 690 and Husqvarna's 701 are so close that I'd be willing to bet they're the same. For some reason there is an additional part showing on the KTM fiche, 59032066000 "piston + o-ring + ball 27mm", with the o-ring looking very much like what your picture shows. It does not show up in the Husqvarna fiche.

Revvik posted:



How cooked are these? They're not going to make it 4,000 miles are they. The tire thread has been idle for a while. Any recommendations for a set of SMT tires, mainly for commuting with decent wet grip?

That's a wear bar showing so yeah, 4,000 miles isn't in your future. Pilot Road 4s - I like the Pirelli Angel GTs too.

Jazzzzz fucked around with this message at 20:19 on Jul 22, 2017

High Protein
Jul 12, 2009

Revvik posted:



How cooked are these? They're not going to make it 4,000 miles are they. The tire thread has been idle for a while. Any recommendations for a set of SMT tires, mainly for commuting with decent wet grip?

I like the PR4's on my 701, but whatever the Conti sport touring tire is just won a test in the motorcycle magazine I read.

Koruthaiolos
Nov 21, 2002


Jazzzzz posted:

The part #s for the clutch slave on KTM's 690 and Husqvarna's 701 are so close that I'd be willing to bet they're the same. For some reason there is an additional part showing on the KTM fiche, 59032066000 "piston + o-ring + ball 27mm", with the o-ring looking very much like what your picture shows. It does not show up in the Husqvarna fiche.

Which KTM model do you see that on? the 2017 690 enduro and duke both have the same fiche as the 701 which don't show that. It would be awesome if that works.

Jazzzzz
May 16, 2002
It was an older US model 690 SMC, 2010 I think. The drawings of the clutch slave in the diagrams were at different angles, part #s were off by the first 3 digits which I assumed may have just been KTM vs. Husky, but if the late model KTM enduros have the same fiche and part #s I'm probably wrong

Revvik
Jul 29, 2006
Fun Shoe

Jazzzzz posted:

The part #s for the clutch slave on KTM's 690 and Husqvarna's 701 are so close that I'd be willing to bet they're the same. For some reason there is an additional part showing on the KTM fiche, 59032066000 "piston + o-ring + ball 27mm", with the o-ring looking very much like what your picture shows. It does not show up in the Husqvarna fiche.


That's a wear bar showing so yeah, 4,000 miles isn't in your future. Pilot Road 4s - I like the Pirelli Angel GTs too.

Thanks for the recommendations. The front is equally hosed so I'm going to grab a set, probably the Pirellis, and order poo poo to change the oil, flush the coolant (going to the desert yay), and idk. Brakes and chain look great at least.

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.
Metzler Roadtec 01s are decent too.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester posted:

I don't think any bikes have identical tires front and rear anymore except some scooters. Which 125s have it? I haven't seen a bike with same F/R since my 1956 BMW, and even then you can run a wider rear if you want. Even 60s/70s bikes have wider rears.

I will say from experience on racing a 50cc that if your bike weighs nothing and makes no power, you basically don't need any tire. I run on 2.25 and 2.50-18 tires on that thing and they are more than enough. It leans quite far over without issues and can brake like crazy poo poo without the front end slipping at all.

My 08 CBR125 had identical front and rear, as does the CBF125.

Revvik
Jul 29, 2006
Fun Shoe
Pirellis ordered. Front stand ordered. Oil, filter, coolant. Next weekend off will be spent doing that.
And as it relates to my other project: $300 in assorted parts, bearings, sprocket, and new chain to fit the GS500 wheels on the DRZ. I'll need to order tires for that as well though. Should probably rip that bandaid off soon but I would like to get the wheels fitted before I get them powder coated, and coated before spending more money on tires

XYLOPAGUS
Aug 23, 2006
--the creator of awesome--

XYLOPAGUS posted:

Oh I forgot I had asked someone else and they recommended the stones. Good price too, $230 for the set on motorcycle superstore.

Forgot that the guy I use for mounting tires also stocks tires. He carried sport demons in the pre gen sizes so I got a set for $245 plus $20 per wheel to mount and balance. Woot for new tires in one Saturday.

builds character
Jan 16, 2008

Keep at it.

Koruthaiolos posted:

Welp, found the culprit for my clutch issue:



This is a kind of diaphragm thing right where the slave mates to the clutch. As soon as I pulled the slave off it just poured clutch fluid out. The best part is, a replacement isn't available separately from a whole new $170 slave. :(

Did you see this ? http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/husqvarna-701-super-moto-and-enduro.1086621/page-300

Jazzzzz
May 16, 2002
http://supermotojunkie.com/showthread.php?98090-Leaking-Clutch-Slave-at-6000-miles as well

Still the same slave, apparently KTM stopped selling that ball/o ring kit separately (WTF)

Before you drop $170 on an OEM part that obviously has issues get an Oberon clutch slave for less instead: http://www.rottweilerperformance.com/oberon-billet-clutch-slave-cylinder-690-701/

Do NOT use DOT 4.1 fluid in your clutch, that Magura unit uses mineral oil

Fauxtool
Oct 21, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
where can I get the allen key used to replace toe sliders on alpinestar smx-1 r boots? I noticed mine are getting pretty worn. I checked the box they came in and there isnt any tool.

As Nero Danced
Sep 3, 2009

Alright, let's do this

Fauxtool posted:

where can I get the allen key used to replace toe sliders on alpinestar smx-1 r boots? I noticed mine are getting pretty worn. I checked the box they came in and there isnt any tool.

Is it a peculiar shape or a regular hexagon? If you don't own a set of hex wrenches you can probably take the boot into an ACE store, explain to the people what you're looking for, and they'll help you find the right size. It's not a bad idea to have a full set of keys onhand for working on your bike anyhow, depending on how they put your bike together.

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

Fauxtool posted:

where can I get the allen key used to replace toe sliders on alpinestar smx-1 r boots? I noticed mine are getting pretty worn. I checked the box they came in and there isnt any tool.

If it's like the ones on my Dainese boots, it's a standard metric key, around 2-3mm. Any set of them should include it.

e: yep, 2.5mm

Coydog
Mar 5, 2007



Fallen Rib


Just got this DR650 rack and want to engine enamel it plum purple to match my frame. First, I assume I need to clear away this surface corrosion in a few spots. Will wire brush to remove all visible stuff be enough before I spray it down?

BONUS EX250 Question I really hope you peeps can help with:

My friend bought a nightmare of an EX250 for his fiance to learn on. She is really eager to get riding, but the ninjette is doing some weird things and she is very discouraged and not getting seat time. I really want to find the solution to this so she won't lose interest in riding.

Symptoms: Runs fine in the twisties, pulls well, starts fine, until you are cruising for a bit at partial throttle and constant speed. This can be replicated as it does it several times an hour, especially on the highway. When at steady throttle, the engine starts to cut out, then slowly bogs out and dies. To get it running again, my friend does the usual "mess with it" things we all do when our bike strands us. Eventually it will restart with choke full on, it accelerates in spurts, and he can get it riding, and then slowly turn off the choke and it's fine until the next time it dies.

Troubleshoots fixes he has done so far with no fix (usually multiple times:
-changed spark plugs
-changed gas in tank
-cleaned carbs
-adjusted carbs
-sync'd carbs
-adjusted valves
-checked intake was clean
-checked petcock was working
-added inline fuel filter
-replaced battery
-checked fuses

Still having the same problems. I'm really hoping one of you has an idea. I suspect it could be a bad coil, but I'm not sure about that.

Chichevache
Feb 17, 2010

One of the funniest posters in GIP.

Just not intentionally.

Coydog posted:



Just got this DR650 rack and want to engine enamel it plum purple to match my frame.

I like your style

HenryJLittlefinger
Jan 31, 2010

stomp clap


Sounds more like fueling. Does the bike have a fuel pump?

Just how clean did the carbs get cleaned, and how were they adjusted? My first thought would be that they're not truly clean unless they were dipped and the pilot/main circuits poked out with a wire. As for adjusted, were the float heights set properly?

Jazzzzz
May 16, 2002
Possible the fuel line is getting kinked somewhere? Can't hurt to replace it if you didn't already when you added the fuel filter

builds character
Jan 16, 2008

Keep at it.
Is he sure it's not the float bowls? You ride for a bit and then you run out of gas because they're not refilling properly. Also make sure the petcock is clean and fuel is flowing to the float bowls.

HenryJLittlefinger posted:

Sounds more like fueling. Does the bike have a fuel pump?

Just how clean did the carbs get cleaned, and how were they adjusted? My first thought would be that they're not truly clean unless they were dipped and the pilot/main circuits poked out with a wire. As for adjusted, were the float heights set properly?

Agree it sounds a like float height (or getting fuel to float bowl) problem. But, wtf do I know? Either way, it looks like he can just ebay a new carb for $130 so if all else fails that's what I'd recommend. Really, he shouldn't waste time making his SO ride a bike that's frustrating if she wants to ride. His life will be way more than $130 better if she likes riding and wants to do it with him.

Coydog
Mar 5, 2007



Fallen Rib

Chichevache posted:

I like your style

:q:


HenryJLittlefinger posted:

Sounds more like fueling. Does the bike have a fuel pump?

Just how clean did the carbs get cleaned, and how were they adjusted? My first thought would be that they're not truly clean unless they were dipped and the pilot/main circuits poked out with a wire. As for adjusted, were the float heights set properly?

No fuel pump, and the petcock is working correctly.

I wasn't there when they were cleaned and adjusted, but knowing him they were thoroughly cleaned/soaked/wire brushed. And he did it multiple times. Worth noting that the bike has a pair of yoshi slip ons, but no other mods. Not sure how that would affect things. He would have adjusted based on recommended settings, I believe.


Jazzzzz posted:

Possible the fuel line is getting kinked somewhere? Can't hurt to replace it if you didn't already when you added the fuel filter

We checked this and it was clear. :/


builds character posted:

Is he sure it's not the float bowls? You ride for a bit and then you run out of gas because they're not refilling properly. Also make sure the petcock is clean and fuel is flowing to the float bowls.


Agree it sounds a like float height (or getting fuel to float bowl) problem. But, wtf do I know? Either way, it looks like he can just ebay a new carb for $130 so if all else fails that's what I'd recommend. Really, he shouldn't waste time making his SO ride a bike that's frustrating if she wants to ride. His life will be way more than $130 better if she likes riding and wants to do it with him.


Why do you all think it's floats? Would this problem not show up under hard riding if it was floats? Just showing up on steady riding? I'm going to pass this info on, and also recommend he pick up a new carb, if you all think it's a carb issue.

Thanks so much for all the quick responses!

Jazzzzz
May 16, 2002
Or if he wants to ditch carbs and spend 50% of the bike's value on FI:

http://www.ecotrons.com/products/kawasaki_ninja_250cc_fuel_injection_kit/

500excf type r
Mar 7, 2013

I'm as annoying as the high-pitched whine of my motorcycle, desperately compensating for the lack of substance in my life.
remove the inline filter and pull the petcock and check the internal filter

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Coydog posted:

:q:


No fuel pump, and the petcock is working correctly.

I wasn't there when they were cleaned and adjusted, but knowing him they were thoroughly cleaned/soaked/wire brushed. And he did it multiple times. Worth noting that the bike has a pair of yoshi slip ons, but no other mods. Not sure how that would affect things. He would have adjusted based on recommended settings, I believe.


We checked this and it was clear. :/



Why do you all think it's floats? Would this problem not show up under hard riding if it was floats? Just showing up on steady riding? I'm going to pass this info on, and also recommend he pick up a new carb, if you all think it's a carb issue.

Thanks so much for all the quick responses!

It's the floats or the tank vent is blocked, or the petcock is clogged inside the tank.

builds character
Jan 16, 2008

Keep at it.

Coydog posted:

:q:


No fuel pump, and the petcock is working correctly.

I wasn't there when they were cleaned and adjusted, but knowing him they were thoroughly cleaned/soaked/wire brushed. And he did it multiple times. Worth noting that the bike has a pair of yoshi slip ons, but no other mods. Not sure how that would affect things. He would have adjusted based on recommended settings, I believe.


We checked this and it was clear. :/



Why do you all think it's floats? Would this problem not show up under hard riding if it was floats? Just showing up on steady riding? I'm going to pass this info on, and also recommend he pick up a new carb, if you all think it's a carb issue.

Thanks so much for all the quick responses!

1. How do you know the petcock is working correctly? Did he try disconnecting the fuel line from the carb and seeing if he had a good fuel flow from the tank?

2. It sounds like he's running out of gas. If you're doing twisties or other hard riding you tend (at least I do) to go hard on the throttle and then back off so that if you just had a minor issue with flow you'd be able to fill the float bowl back up whereas when you're steadily using fuel for a long(ish) time it just can't keep up and you end up running out of gas until you eventually have to stop and let the float bowl slowly fill up again.

3. Does the bike otherwise run smoothly? No weird bogging or lack of power when you open the throttle? Not hard to start, etc? What did the plugs look like when he replaced them?

EX250 Type R posted:

remove the inline filter and pull the petcock and check the internal filter

I would try this.

Slavvy posted:

It's the floats or the tank vent is blocked, or the petcock is clogged inside the tank.

Oh yeah, definitely check the tank vent! If you get a vacuum in the tank that will stop fuel from going into the carb and that would be, you know, generally bad.

HenryJLittlefinger
Jan 31, 2010

stomp clap


Coydog posted:



Why do you all think it's floats? Would this problem not show up under hard riding if it was floats? Just showing up on steady riding? I'm going to pass this info on, and also recommend he pick up a new carb, if you all think it's a carb issue.

Thanks so much for all the quick responses!

The needle valves and floats produce similar to identical symptoms when either is not working quite right. Correlary: one of the two not working right will affect the other.

My reasoning: the throttle range you describe for the issue is probably where the bike spends most of its time, just putting along during commuting or whatever. In that range, the flow through the bowls would be a consistent trickle, so the floats wouldn't be moving much, in turn keeping the needle valve within a very small range of its travel in the emulsion tube. That in turn could create a sticky zone which the minimal outflow of fuel may not be enough to drop the floats to the point that the needle valve opens adequately for fuel inflow to keep up. That's the needle valve answer. The solution is to put in new needle valves every time the carbs are serviced. They're probably pretty cheap for the Ninjette.

Incorrectly adjusted floats (and most are set low in the factory so the bike will run lean because EPA) may just not be opening the needle valve enough in that throttle range for fuel inflow to keep up with outflow. Have him test the theory by dropping a gear and maintaining the same speed for a while but with more throttle. Bench setting of float heights is pretty simple. Just involves a pair of needle nose pliers to bend the tangs and a caliper to measure in the correct place. The Ninjette wiki probably has the specs available.

Slide Hammer
May 15, 2009

EX250s have something called a coasting enricher system. It's the small apparatus in the lower left corner of the picture in this link, with the "B" "C" and "D" labels in close proximity to each other: http://www.kawasakipartshouse.com/oemparts/a/kaw/500b267ff8700223e4790680/carburetor

I know you said he cleaned the carbs, but maybe he didn't clean this part, or the diaphragm there has a tear.

Fifty Three
Oct 29, 2007

Any F4i owners wanna chime in on what oil they've used? I bought HP4 for the first oil change, but Rotella T6 has been suggested by several people on Honda forums and it'd be much more convenient as I also run it in my car.

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




Fifty Three posted:

Any F4i owners wanna chime in on what oil they've used? I bought HP4 for the first oil change, but Rotella T6 has been suggested by several people on Honda forums and it'd be much more convenient as I also run it in my car.

Don't fall in this trap, thread!! Pull up!!

XYLOPAGUS
Aug 23, 2006
--the creator of awesome--

Slide Hammer posted:

EX250s have something called a coasting enricher system. It's the small apparatus in the lower left corner of the picture in this link, with the "B" "C" and "D" labels in close proximity to each other: http://www.kawasakipartshouse.com/oemparts/a/kaw/500b267ff8700223e4790680/carburetor

I know you said he cleaned the carbs, but maybe he didn't clean this part, or the diaphragm there has a tear.

Always wondered what that thing was on my ex250. Thanks for this.

Also those are some weird symptoms but I'd agree with the peeps here. It's either the float needle valve or your petcock is clogged.

Edit: Float height should be around 17mm.

Jazzzzz
May 16, 2002

Fifty Three posted:

Any F4i owners wanna chime in on what oil they've used? I bought HP4 for the first oil change, but Rotella T6 has been suggested by several people on Honda forums and it'd be much more convenient as I also run it in my car.

T6 is the nectar of the gods

OMGMYSPLEEN
Jul 12, 2009

Rawwwwhiiiiide
College Slice

Fifty Three posted:

Any F4i owners wanna chime in on what oil they've used? I bought HP4 for the first oil change, but Rotella T6 has been suggested by several people on Honda forums and it'd be much more convenient as I also run it in my car.

Oh god what have you done

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GnarlyCharlie4u
Sep 23, 2007

I have an unhealthy obsession with motorcycles.

Proof

Fifty Three posted:

Any F4i owners wanna chime in on what oil they've used? I bought HP4 for the first oil change, but Rotella T6 has been suggested by several people on Honda forums and it'd be much more convenient as I also run it in my car.

Honda GN4

Rotella before and after valve adjustments.

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