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Ragnar Homsar posted:This is just the Cruz amendment, I think. Presumably they're moving onto something else related to healthcare after this. We have a lot of amendments to be voted on, especially when vote-a-rama begins.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:So how late are they staying up tonight? Technically they could stay up all night but with the plan to do it before friday there isn't much need. Heller a no Moran also a no
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And thats more than 50 no's Cruz amendment doesn't even have a majority. edit: Heller no
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"Wow, dilbert guy, you're a piece of poo poo." "Ha ha! I forced you to compare me to poop! Another victory for the master manipulator!"
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bidens to the right of hillary clinton and deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep in the pocket of uh, insurance? credit card companies? (forget which im tired) either way it's not important now but would be Thing #1 Certain People would complain about endlessly the minute biden beats the more leftleaning candidate in the primary
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Moran is another one of those "not even Cruz is evil enough" guys, right?
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Does anyone know the schedule - IE what's still up tonight, and what'll be tomorrow?
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Honestly right now Biden is a cool old dude in my head and I'd rather him not ruin that by running for president.
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38-53 so far. 9 NV atm
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I hope to live long enough to see CNN say Ted Cruz has passed away.
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The worst democrat in the senate (according to mcmagic) is no
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I'd like to vote for somebody else besides a dumpy old centrist white dude in 2020. But I don't wanna get ahead of myself and presume that elections will still be taking place in 2020.
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DreamShipWrecked posted:Honestly right now Biden is a cool old dude in my head and I'd rather him not ruin that by running for president. Biden was the best Vice President we've ever had. Let's keep it that way.
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Murkowski no, as expected. Collins still NV, but should be a no.
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Craig K posted:bidens to the right of hillary clinton and deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep in the pocket of uh, insurance? credit card companies? (forget which im tired) either way it's not important now but would be Thing #1 Certain People would complain about endlessly the minute biden beats the more leftleaning candidate in the primary I hadn't thought of this before but it's going to be really hard to have an intelligent fair Democratic primary given what they'll be running against. Rhr overton window has moved so far we can't even see normalcy any more.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:I hope to live long enough to see CNN say Ted Cruz has passed away. I hope you get your wish. I hope you live another week
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:I hope to live long enough to see CNN say Ted Cruz has passed away. FizFashizzle posted:what is dead can never die Cruz will not die, merely return to his dread lair to sleep.
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Hollismason posted:Biden running in 2020 would be the best possible person Dems could hope for Maybe instead of running more octogenarians we should find some young and charismatic people to run instead?
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So are we just skipping the vote on the straight repeal? Are they going for the skinny repeal after this, and do we know how Cruz and especially Lee feels about that?
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My anger at John McCain aside, is it possible that by putting the Cruz Amendment up for a vote first, the idea would be to present the alternate options as far more reasonable and thus not bad? I mean it's obviously a comparison between getting stabbed in the stomach, heart, or throat, but are they trying to find ways to mitigate how utterly lovely all of their plans are? To soothe the idea of them voting yes on a clean/skinny repeal, or the 2015 plan?
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I say this every time he comes up in this thread, but Biden is literally the person that people accused Hillary Clinton of being. It's hilarious that people keep seeing him as the savior of the Democratic party because the loving Onion made a fun character with his name.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:I hope to live long enough to see CNN say Ted Cruz has passed away. Ted Cruz is on my poo poo list, which is the list of people whose graves I will poo poo on regularly.
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Paradoxish posted:I say this every time he comes up in this thread, but Biden is literally the person that people accused Hillary Clinton of being. It's hilarious that people keep seeing him as the savior of the Democratic party because the loving Onion made a fun character with his name. Don't forget he likes trains, a critical component to earn the goon vote
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Rigel posted:
There's nothing to be gained voting yes for a dead and unpopular bill, even if he might think it's good. Far safer to say no and concoct a reason. Lot of reasons to say no, only so many reasons to say yes.
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Rigel posted:
There's an interesting procedural wrinkle with this that goes back to something we talked about earlier. This is technically not the vote on BRCA+Cruz, it's a vote to wave the Byrd rule on BRCA+Cruz I have no idea why that would make the difference but maybe Cotton really loves the Byrd rule?
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Paradoxish posted:I say this every time he comes up in this thread, but Biden is literally the person that people accused Hillary Clinton of being. It's hilarious that people keep seeing him as the savior of the Democratic party because the loving Onion made a fun character with his name. Really is. Though with the election past, the 2017 brogressive litmus test is ranting about how Pelosi has to go while having nothing to say about Schumer.
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TGLT posted:There's nothing to be gained voting yes for a dead and unpopular bill, even if he might think it's good. Far safer to say no and concoct a reason. Lot of reasons to say no, only so many reasons to say yes. Unless you're McCain.
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The BRCA isn't anything to get excited about, not to poop on the parade. The real "fun" begins with full repeal, skinny repeal, and the final vote.
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farraday posted:There's an interesting procedural wrinkle with this that goes back to something we talked about earlier. This is technically not the vote on BRCA+Cruz, it's a vote to wave the Byrd rule on BRCA+Cruz Actually I'm now further confused, because without that, wouldn't that pretty much kill BRCA+Cruz? There's no way they're getting 60 votes for that. Again I sorta feel like they're trying to frontload the poo poo for people to symbolically vote against, then say "look how reasonable we are voting yes for this thing that wasn't as bad"
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farraday posted:There's an interesting procedural wrinkle with this that goes back to something we talked about earlier. This is technically not the vote on BRCA+Cruz, it's a vote to wave the Byrd rule on BRCA+Cruz It is? Wow, that seems...petty.
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Covok posted:It is? Wow, that seems...petty. politics.txt
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Medullah posted:Wait until the first time you experience blinding pain from turning slightly to the right in the shower. That's when you know you're an adult! Ha! Been there! Today is the first time since Friday night that I don't have sharp, knife-like pains in my lower back if I don't move exactly the right way. For the last two days my wife even needed to help me get up out of chairs and bed because the pain was blinding.
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Angry_Ed posted:Actually I'm now further confused, because without that, wouldn't that pretty much kill BRCA+Cruz? There's no way they're getting 60 votes for that. Yes, but, procedures are procedures. Welcome to the Senate.
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Crabtree posted:Unless you're McCain. I mean there's literally nothing to gain for McCain at this point one way or the other. Might as well vote the way your poo poo heart says.
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Crabtree posted:Unless you're McCain. He can relate to it, at least among the young.
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Craig K posted:bidens to the right of hillary clinton and deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep in the pocket of uh, insurance? credit card companies? (forget which im tired) either way it's not important now but would be Thing #1 Certain People would complain about endlessly the minute biden beats the more leftleaning candidate in the primary yeah, and obama voted to authorize surveillance programs and i'm sure voted for some corporate stuff as well. that only matters to a small subset of politically engaged people, the thing that wins elections is charisma and likability, straight up much of the american public is literally too stupid and/or uninformed to research a candidate's policies and connect that to their own values and how it will affect their everyday life goethe.cx fucked around with this message at 02:53 on Jul 26, 2017 |
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farraday posted:Yes, but, procedures are procedures. Fair enough, for some reason I thought they were just going to pretend that this was totally able to be passed through reconcilation because McConnell has shown he doesn't care about the rules when he's in charge
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Aurubin posted:Out of curiosity, why wasn't Gardner ever on the "moderate" list? Colorado voted for Hilary by a decent margin. Is it just that 4 years is too far in legislative memory?
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farraday posted:There's an interesting procedural wrinkle with this that goes back to something we talked about earlier. This is technically not the vote on BRCA+Cruz, it's a vote to wave the Byrd rule on BRCA+Cruz The insurance industry hates the Cruz amendment (or am I thinking of the compromise on it?). The Cruz amendment is pretty much a lose-lose that doesn't even get you closer to a massive tax cut. Cut me some slack if I'm wrong, though. This poo poo has been real hard to follow.
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