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Lord Cyrahzax posted:True enough. Fine, I'm withdrawing my endorsement until the following changes are made to the proposal: Fair. If this is the price of all Andalusi seeing the light, then so be it. The demands of the New Taifas have been added.
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Policies right now, let me know if I missed something:Rodyle posted:Professional Practice Logistics Act Rodyle, Frionnel. Ralepozozaxe posted:Proposing The SEAconquista. Vassalize Sardinia by force, butter them up a little with diplomacy, marriage, maybe a little dosh, then force convert them once they like us more. The Mediterranean will belong to Muslim powers only, as will it's trade. Ralepozozaxe. devildragon777 posted:Proposing the Madressa Expansion Act: devildragon777. Soup du Jour posted:Proposing the Panamanian Control Act, mandating that we colonize or conquer the lands that once fell under our control at the southern end of America, before the French set our settlements ablaze. America is our continent, especially that region. Soup du Jour. paragon1 posted:Proposing the It Was Just Laying Around Act: Conquer the colonies that have rebelled from Morocco. paragon1, WilliamAnderson, Talas. Technowolf posted:Proposing the Bazaar of the Bizarre act: Build trade depots and/or marketplaces in the provinces with our most valuable trade goods. Technowolf, GunnerJ. Dance Officer posted:I, Dansar Rabb al'Ustul, propose the Continued Made in al Andalus act. Manufactories and workshops are to be built in all provinces in the Sevilla trade node. Other buildings, except for fortifications, may be destroyed to make place. Dance Officer. Crazycryodude posted:Proposing another extension of the Made in Al-Andalus Act Crazycryodude, HiHo ChiRho, Odysseus S. Grant. Flavius Belisarius posted:I, Emir Flavius al-Belisarius, who is totally not a Roman, propose the Father Cares for Children Act. I encourage the council to yield authority to our beloved Sultan, long may he reign, to focus on improving the prosperity of Greater al-Andalus within the borders his wise father declared to be our charge in the eyes of the Prophet. Let us leave Morocco for the dogs and France to give itself away. We finally have Iberia for ourselves. Let us let our Sultan focus his benevolent hand on it. Flavius Belisarius. Proposed Coalitions: / AJ_Impy posted:Proposing a Coalition motion: Death to All Infidels. Ulema: AJ_Impy. Taifas: / Mountaineer posted:I think both our factions share an interest in building our nation's military strength. In previous wars our weakness was running out of manpower, forcing the Sultan to hire mercenaries and take on massive debts to defend the nation. We can solve this problem by adopting Quantity Ideas to bolster the size of our army. Loyalists: Mountaineer, Slaan, Zakrelo. Taifas:
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Mountaineer posted:Too bad the New Taifas aren't in charge. I think we're due for a military idea set. Well, there's always coalitions, so let's so if this works out! I shall support this if we include a stipulation that the money otherwise spent on mercenaries shall instead go towards investment in the prosperity of Al-Andalus. (IE: mosques, universities, etc.)
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# ? Jul 26, 2017 13:14 |
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AJ_Impy posted:/ Very well. Against my better judgement, I back this.
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# ? Jul 26, 2017 13:20 |
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Soup du Jour posted:
I support this! Average Lettuce fucked around with this message at 19:20 on Jul 26, 2017 |
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Soup du Jour posted:
I too support this.
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# ? Jul 26, 2017 14:28 |
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Zakrelo posted:
I was going for narrative fluff more than anything since it feels weird for the Loyalists to insist on the Sultan to do anything, but Hashim, can you clarify if this is legal?
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# ? Jul 26, 2017 14:45 |
Snipee posted:I was going for narrative fluff more than anything since it feels weird for the Loyalists to insist on the Sultan to do anything, but Hashim, can you clarify if this is legal? It's mostly that part about "removing all historic limits on the Sultan's power to govern" that's the problem. The Majlis literally exists as a limit on the Sultan's power, so like I said before, no single faction can weaken the entire assembly. I didn't know that you were going for a more narrative direction though, but you don't need to worry about that anyways. Things like the size of different factions and the proposals submitted are all taken into account, and Utman realises that having the largest Jizrunid Loyalist faction ever means he can do what no previous sultan has been able to do: begin to stretch the limits of his perogative.
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The followers of Ali have become too entrenched in the East. Our piety is undermined while the ignorant follow the words of false preachers. I, Chatrapati of the Ulema, propose a missionary programme amongst our Shia provinces, and to erect new mosques in the modern style in those converted provinces to encourage the feeble-minded to remain on the true path to God.
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# ? Jul 26, 2017 15:27 |
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Erwin the German posted:I shall support this if we include a stipulation that the money otherwise spent on mercenaries shall instead go towards investment in the prosperity of Al-Andalus. (IE: mosques, universities, etc.) I added an amendment. Thank you for your support! Snipee posted:I was going for narrative fluff more than anything since it feels weird for the Loyalists to insist on the Sultan to do anything, but Hashim, can you clarify if this is legal? Who cares if it's legal? I once proposed abolishing the Majlis entirely and I still stand by that.
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# ? Jul 26, 2017 15:30 |
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AJ_Impy posted:/ Excellent. Supporting.
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# ? Jul 26, 2017 15:44 |
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Hashim posted:It's mostly that part about "removing all historic limits on the Sultan's power to govern" that's the problem. The Majlis literally exists as a limit on the Sultan's power, so like I said before, no single faction can weaken the entire assembly. Yessssssss. This is my second favorite LP of all time. The best is still the hilarious Oregon Trail LP from many years ago with goons insisting on loading up the wagons with grandfather clocks with multiple successive votes. AJ_Impy posted:/ I support this conditional on the Sultan's approval. [quote="Mountaineer" post=""474738985"] Who cares if it's legal? I once proposed abolishing the Majlis entirely and I still stand by that. [/quote] I would vote for this instead if you proposed it again. E: In case it's not clear, I am withdrawing my supposedly illegal proposal in favor of the Death to All Infidels coalition proposal. Snipee fucked around with this message at 16:58 on Jul 26, 2017 |
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Mountaineer posted:Too bad the New Taifas aren't in charge. I think we're due for a military idea set. Well, there's always coalitions, so let's so if this works out! Changing my vote to this Frionnel fucked around with this message at 21:14 on Jul 26, 2017 |
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Mountaineer posted:Too bad the New Taifas aren't in charge. I think we're due for a military idea set. Well, there's always coalitions, so let's so if this works out! As promised, supporting.
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# ? Jul 26, 2017 17:40 |
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Soup du Jour posted:
This has my support.
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# ? Jul 26, 2017 18:10 |
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Rodyle posted:The Taifas duty is, first and foremost, to the military, and certainly NOT to any projects by mad imams seeking to attack our Dhimmi. Such proposals offer nothing for us and quite the opposite actually run counter to our security goals. Edit: Oh, well Edit 2: Mountaineer posted:Too bad the New Taifas aren't in charge. I think we're due for a military idea set. Well, there's always coalitions, so let's so if this works out! Well, then I'll have to put my vote to here! catlord fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Jul 26, 2017 |
# ? Jul 26, 2017 18:45 |
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Soup du Jour posted:
Supporting this. And once we have those territories, let's never give them back.
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# ? Jul 26, 2017 18:49 |
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catlord posted:I support this measure. Measure was withdrawn, my mistake. Back the Ulema coalition so we can take Tangiers or gently caress up France
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# ? Jul 26, 2017 19:03 |
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Or back the Loyalist coalition so that we adopt a very useful idea group for any war while not supporting this silly attack on other faiths.
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# ? Jul 26, 2017 19:06 |
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Crazycryodude posted:
Supported. Honestly this is just a specific and doable way to improve the homefront, which is the point of the other Loyalist proposal.
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# ? Jul 26, 2017 19:07 |
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devildragon777 posted:
Supporting this.
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# ? Jul 26, 2017 20:22 |
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AJ_Impy posted:/ Supporting this
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# ? Jul 26, 2017 20:44 |
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Crazycryodude posted:
This
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# ? Jul 26, 2017 21:00 |
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Technowolf posted:
Sure, why not? Let's go with this.
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# ? Jul 26, 2017 21:01 |
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Rescinding my proposal and putting my support behind the Taifa/Ulama proposal by AJ_Impy.
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# ? Jul 26, 2017 21:42 |
Updated policies: none. devildragon777 posted:Proposing the Madressa Expansion Act: devildragon777, Vinny Possum. Soup du Jour posted:Proposing the Panamanian Control Act, mandating that we colonize or conquer the lands that once fell under our control at the southern end of America, before the French set our settlements ablaze. America is our continent, especially that region. Soup du Jour, Camoes, Rubix Squid, Ikasuhito, Mikl. paragon1 posted:Proposing the It Was Just Laying Around Act: Conquer the colonies that have rebelled from Morocco. paragon1, WilliamAnderson, Talas. Technowolf posted:Proposing the Bazaar of the Bizarre act: Build trade depots and/or marketplaces in the provinces with our most valuable trade goods. Technowolf, GunnerJ, Wyvernil. Dance Officer posted:I, Dansar Rabb al'Ustul, propose the Continued Made in al Andalus act. Manufactories and workshops are to be built in all provinces in the Sevilla trade node. Other buildings, except for fortifications, may be destroyed to make place. Dance Officer. Crazycryodude posted:Proposing another extension of the Made in Al-Andalus Act Crazycryodude, HiHo ChiRho, Odysseus S. Grant, gbuchold, mcclay. Flavius Belisarius posted:I, Emir Flavius al-Belisarius, who is totally not a Roman, propose the Father Cares for Children Act. I encourage the council to yield authority to our beloved Sultan, long may he reign, to focus on improving the prosperity of Greater al-Andalus within the borders his wise father declared to be our charge in the eyes of the Prophet. Let us leave Morocco for the dogs and France to give itself away. We finally have Iberia for ourselves. Let us let our Sultan focus his benevolent hand on it. Flavius Belisarius. Proposed Coalitions: / AJ_Impy posted:Proposing a Coalition motion: Death to All Infidels. Ulema: AJ_Impy, Ralepozozaxe. Taifas: Rodyle, Lord Cyrahzax, RZApublican. / Mountaineer posted:Proposing the More Men for the Sultan's Army Coalition. I think both our factions share an interest in building our nation's military strength. In previous wars our weakness was running out of manpower, forcing the Sultan to hire mercenaries and take on massive debts to defend the nation. We can solve this problem by adopting Quantity Ideas to bolster the size of our army. Loyalists: Mountaineer, Slaan, Zakrelo, Erwin the German. Taifas: Frionnel, catlord. hashashash fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Jul 26, 2017 |
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We need one more for Bazaar of the Bizarre or this is going to be another lovely session of Merchants flailing at being Taifas.
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Chatrapati posted:The followers of Ali have become too entrenched in the East. Our piety is undermined while the ignorant follow the words of false preachers. I, Chatrapati of the Ulema, propose a missionary programme amongst our Shia provinces, and to erect new mosques in the modern style in those converted provinces to encourage the feeble-minded to remain on the true path to God. Chatrapati, your proposal is illegal since Ulema can't convert policies at all except for coalitions. You need to be the second-largest faction to be able to use policies for conversion. hashashash fucked around with this message at 22:30 on Jul 26, 2017 |
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# ? Jul 26, 2017 22:26 |
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AJ_Impy posted:/ With these additions I don't really have anything to intervene with. Supported!
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# ? Jul 26, 2017 22:27 |
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Hashim posted:Chatrapati, your proposal is illegal since Ulema can't convert policies at all except for coalitions. You need to be the second-largest faction to be able to use policies for conversion. Sorry! Then, I'm voting for the Madressa Expansion Act.
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# ? Jul 26, 2017 22:28 |
Also, this is directed at the prospective coalitions: there's no way that both coalitions can pass, since that would essentially amount to the Taifas submitting two policies. At the moment though, it doesn't matter, since the Loyalist/Taifa policy won't pass without more support, and the Ulema/Taifa coalition is currently tied with the sole Ulema policy (Madressa Expansion Act).
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# ? Jul 26, 2017 22:30 |
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GunnerJ posted:We need one more for Bazaar of the Bizarre or this is going to be another lovely session of Merchants flailing at being Taifas. Colonial expansion has always been a Merchant schtick though? It's not like we'd be declaring war on anyone who can do anything about it.
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# ? Jul 26, 2017 22:30 |
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GunnerJ posted:We need one more for Bazaar of the Bizarre or this is going to be another lovely session of Merchants flailing at being Taifas. Know what? Panamian Control's pretty much in the lead, so Switching from Panamian Control to Bazaar of the Bizarre. Us not being all expansion like will confuse the hell out of our enemies.
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# ? Jul 26, 2017 22:35 |
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Supporting Bazaar of the Bizarre.
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# ? Jul 26, 2017 22:40 |
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paragon1 posted:
Supporting this I do not understand this movement to undermine this act in favor of the Bazaar. Because it would make us "like the Taifas"? They're independent colonies ripe for the taking you fools! Why on earth would we not want to solidify our control over the Carribean that has been our lifeblood through the darker times?!
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# ? Jul 26, 2017 22:42 |
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Because every Merchant government that tried to be warmongers has sucked.
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# ? Jul 26, 2017 22:44 |
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GunnerJ posted:Because every Merchant government that tried to be warmongers has sucked. Do you grasp basic concepts like "circumstances" and "resources". Is it, in fact, conceivable to you that attacking independent undefended colonies might be rather a bit easier than fighting Morocco and France simultaneously?
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# ? Jul 26, 2017 22:47 |
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I want to propose a simple act so that we the Taifas have something to fall back on should the coalition fail to bear fruit. But at the same time I know that if I propose a new act I will in fact withdraw my vote from the coalition and thus potentially ENSURE it will fail... Oh these dilemmas! Hashim, help me out here! Is my math correct or have I missed something? And if I have in fact missed something, and the coalition will succeed even without my vote, would it be rude of me to ask for 'bout an hour or so to write one up? Luhood fucked around with this message at 22:53 on Jul 26, 2017 |
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Captain Oblivious posted:Do you grasp basic concepts like "circumstances" and "resources". Jesus, chill out. Er, "Isa," chill out I mean!
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Luhood posted:I want to propose a simple act so that we the Taifas have something to fall back on should the coalition fail to bear fruit. But at the same time I know that if I propose a new act I will in fact withdraw my vote from the coalition and thus potentially ENSURE it will fail... As it stands, the Taifas will form most of the support in the 'Death to All Infidels' coalition with or without you, so it'll be fine for you to withdraw and propose your own policy so long as other Taifas don't start supporting the other coalition. The only problem currently facing the Death to Infidels coalition is that it has only two Ulema supporting it, so it needs at least one more Ulema vote for it to be tied with the current Ulema Madressa policy, and two more if it's to succeed without issue. So, as things currently stand, neither coalition will pass with or without your support. Also, if you need time then sure, go ahead and write up your proposal. hashashash fucked around with this message at 23:01 on Jul 26, 2017 |
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# ? Jul 26, 2017 22:58 |