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yronic heroism posted:Condiv is ignoring that NFS goes out of his way to declare that Trump definitely didn't own slaves and that any issues were just "labor disputes." Then brings up slaves as an issue he supposedly cares about every day. its an example of the thread lacking credibility. Do you honestly believe that anyone in this thread is arguing that Trump and the Republicans are black people's woke ally instead of the Democrats claim to that title being dubious at best?
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Entirely unprompted.NewForumSoftware posted:And? My state is/went blue ya dingus. Why would I vote for a slave owner?
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Entirely unprompted.NewForumSoftware posted:at least he didn't vote for a slaveowner Pro tip, the person who supposedly didn't vote for a slaveowner is an unapologetic Trump voter.
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yronic heroism posted:This is what you literally believe. So you mostly only want to talk about slavery if you're tying it to Clinton and not as a real issue you care about. Talk about your concerns, the last time you did your threadshitting routine you weren't able to formulate a SINGLE ONE that hadn't been previously addressed by progressive politicians better than by Clintonites. You are only able to fling vague accusations because you know your pathetic moaning holds absolutely no substance.
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Also owning slaves is bad, you imbecile.
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yronic heroism posted:Entirely unprompted. If you live in a safe blue or red state you can vote your conscience. You prompted that reply by going "LOL YOU VOTED 3RD PARTY!". I live in NY. Honestly, if I could go back to November, I would not vote for Hillary again. I'd probably not vote for president at all. Heck, I'd consider taking back my Schumer vote. And ya know what? You have that luxury when you're in an enclave. If I lived in FL, PA, or OH, different story. So I dunno man, maybe stop parroting lovely woke lib twitter talking points about BROCIALISTS and roll with the punches a bit?
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yronic heroism posted:Condiv is ignoring that NFS goes out of his way to declare that Trump definitely didn't own slaves and that any issues were just "labor disputes." Then brings up slaves as an issue he supposedly cares about every day. its an example of the thread lacking credibility. You would be more credible if it weren't obvious that you're only bringing this up in order to try some guilt by association bullshit, so you can feel comfortable with dismissing points of view that you can't argue against on their merits.
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yronic heroism posted:Entirely unprompted. dude, that's 30 pages back. and you started the slaveholder talk again while linking to a recent post that had nothing to do with that. it was unprompted
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Cerebral Bore posted:You would be more credible if it weren't obvious that you're only bringing this up in order to try some guilt by association bullshit, so you can feel comfortable with dismissing points of view that you can't argue against on their merits. in fairness though NFS is a real loving idiot when it comes to dismissing minority concerns, and I can see why that kind of nonsense turns off hillary-leaning leftists "no, seriously, when Trump uses slave labor it's different, because someone I'm briefly aligned with in an internet argument would find it more convenient if that was so"
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Jul 26, 2017 17:13
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steinrokkan posted:Also owning slaves is bad
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Ze Pollack posted:hillary-leaning leftists I'm sorry, what is this?
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Ze Pollack posted:in fairness though NFS is a real loving idiot when it comes to dismissing minority concerns, and I can see why that kind of nonsense turns off hillary-leaning leftists tbh i don't know why he didn't come right out and say "yeah, trump's a slave owner" we expect republicans to be lovely on race. we don't expect hillary, who spent an entire primary trying to smear her opponent as racist to have gladly owned slaves and pondered their low emotional intelligence.
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NFS's desperate desire to win internet arguments is relevant only insofar as there is a small, but extant portion of the emerging leftist coalition whose reaction to the presentation of identity politics in any form is to assume a Bad Dem attempt to derail the left is incoming, and thus must be opposed. this is an understandable mindset! it is also, unfortunately, incredibly stupid. people will look at the NFSses of the world going unchallenged, and assume that they are representative. this, too, lies at a convergence of understandable and stupid. how best to handle this is a somewhat thorny question.
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Matt Zerella posted:I'm sorry, what is this? the people growing more sympathetic to leftism who originally voted for Hillary Clinton and bought into the Bernie Bro garbage. they exist. there's unfortunately quite a few of them. turns out they're recruitable.
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The MI race will be interesting, and if the dems manage to screw up running against a silver-spoon-fed dude whose schtick is basically a parody of working class american culture of all colors, it's loving over. Like the attack ads write themselves
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Jul 26, 2017 17:23
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Condiv posted:dude, that's 30 pages back. and you started the slaveholder talk again while linking to a recent post that had nothing to do with that. it was unprompted Nope, someone who just yesterday threw out the slaves line for like the millionth time has no credibility to talk about slaves, given the Trump thing.
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yronic heroism posted:Nope, someone who just yesterday threw out the slaves line for like the millionth time has no credibility to talk about slaves, given the Trump thing. What would you propose to compel people to stop mentioning the Arkansas Governor's mansion? Maybe some kind of "three strikes provision" would help you feel more safe?
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Matt Zerella posted:I'm sorry, what is this? Jay Smooth?
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The whole "Hillary is a slaveowner" -> "B-b-but TRUMP!!" dynamic is a good example of why the democrats are a waste Anything to deflect blame away from the establishment
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spacejung posted:What would you propose to compel people to stop mentioning the Arkansas Governor's mansion? Maybe some kind of "three strikes provision" would help you feel more safe? Do what you want, it's only NFS who is shown to both be an idiot shill on the slave topic and has already thrown it out there as some kind of rhetorical Trump card a hundred times.
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yronic heroism posted:Do what you want, it's only NFS who is shown to both be an idiot shill on the slave topic and has already thrown it out there as some kind of rhetorical Trump card a hundred times. Hillary owned slaves.
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Jul 26, 2017 17:32
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yronic heroism posted:Nope, someone who just yesterday threw out the slaves line for like the millionth time has no credibility to talk about slaves, given the Trump thing. why didn't you quote that post if that was your problem instead of one older than it and completely unrelated to your argument?
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yronic heroism posted:Entirely unprompted. See this post.
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yronic heroism posted:Do what you want, it's only NFS who is shown to both be an idiot shill on the slave topic and has already thrown it out there as some kind of rhetorical Trump card a hundred times. do you really think a trump presidency is that much different from a clinton presidency aside from optics and controlling the narrative? it's all the same policy- we'd still be bombing third world countries whilst denying health care to those who need it... the whole "b-b-but trump" shtick doesn't seem to add up
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yronic heroism posted:See this post. yes, i'm asking why you linked an unrelated post and took 11 hours to actually link the post you were talking about? i wouldn't have said you were complaining about the slaveholder argument unprompted if you actually linked someone doing that. instead you quoted an older post that didn't contain any discussion of slavery cause...?
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Now that I know that merely mentioning the fact that Hillary owned slaves turns idiot libs like yronic heroism into quivering balls of rage, I definitely won't talk about it again.
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Willa Rogers posted:Hillary Clinton’s upcoming book will double down on Russia’s interference and James Comey’s involvement in her stunning election defeat, according to sources familiar with the memoir. She's going to loving run again. I really loving hope primary voters are smart enough to not give her a second shot.
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WampaLord posted:She's going to loving run again. I really loving hope primary voters are smart enough to not give her a second shot. I'm not worried about the voters.
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dox posted:do you really think a trump presidency is that much different from a clinton presidency aside from optics and controlling the narrative? it's all the same policy- we'd still be bombing third world countries whilst denying health care to those who need it... the whole "b-b-but trump" shtick doesn't seem to add up Off the top of my head: Supreme Court (so that's gerrymandering, policing, Citizens United sticking around, and major union issues right there) Everything the Justice Dept does. Immigration policy. Everything the EPA does. The possibility of 20 million people losing their insurance.
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call to action posted:Hillary owns slaves. fixed tense/reality
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C. Everett Koop posted:fixed tense/reality I'm a little confused how she supposedly still owns slaves
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IDpol has become a circle jerk and burial ground for progressive policy. Obama was the death of IDpol. "Now what" is the only question to be answered and many IDpol people can't accept that the battle for whatever is over.
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Trabisnikof posted:I'm a little confused how she supposedly still owns slaves capitalism, and being rich. she hasn't been spreading sweatshops around the world for nothing!
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Condiv posted:capitalism, and being rich. How wealthy do you have to be to become a slave owner? Is it if you have any wage employees? Or own stock?
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Trabisnikof posted:How wealthy do you have to be to become a slave owner? Is it if you have any wage employees? Or own stock? i think once you're in the "founding sweatshops in third world nations" stage of wealth though maybe you could make an argument wrt unpaid internships
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yronic heroism posted:Off the top of my head: so basically "the Bush presidency, but with fewer wars"
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Main Paineframe posted:so basically "the Bush presidency, but with fewer wars" lol they didn't even say that
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What's your solution to a 7-2 Supreme Court banning union dues?
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Main Paineframe posted:so basically "the Bush presidency, but with fewer wars" Yeah if you don't care about any of these issues - yronic heroism posted:Supreme Court (so that's gerrymandering, policing, Citizens United sticking around, and major union issues right there)
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Unions are a losing proposition in the face of automation. Ensuring that the 20% of people that still get to have living wage jobs are represented at work is not a top priority. It also doesn't help that the people most helped by unions now (unlike the past) are old white dudes. Instead, let's focus on a guaranteed jobs program or single payer healthcare.
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