Al Andalus: A Paradox Mega-LP

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AJ_Impy: Jun 17, 2007; SWORD OF SMATTAS. CAN YOU NOT HEAR A WORLD CRY OUT FOR JUSTICE? WHEN WILL YOU DELIVER IT?; Yam Slacker

Lord Cyrahzax posted:

True enough. Fine, I'm withdrawing my endorsement until the following changes are made to the proposal:

-If Morocco or France become involved in a war or rebellion, Al-Andalus will immediately declare war.
-The war goals against Morocco are the seizure of Tangiers, and then as much adjoining territory as possible.
-Against France, it is their removal from the Mediterranean by whatever means necessary and possible without directly taking territory for Al-Andalus.
-Moroccan intervention takes priority over French.

Fair. If this is the price of all Andalusi seeing the light, then so be it. The demands of the New Taifas have been added.

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Policies right now, let me know if I missed something:

Rodyle posted:

Professional Practice Logistics Act
The Sultan is obligated to ensure that:
1. Our fortresses along the Pyrenees are reinforced as heavily as possible.
2. That constructions and decisions to increase and maintain our manpower continue.
3. And that our defense alliances be kept intact.

Rodyle, Frionnel.

Ralepozozaxe posted:

Proposing The SEAconquista. Vassalize Sardinia by force, butter them up a little with diplomacy, marriage, maybe a little dosh, then force convert them once they like us more. The Mediterranean will belong to Muslim powers only, as will it's trade.

Ralepozozaxe.

devildragon777 posted:

Proposing the Madressa Expansion Act:

Build Mosques and Universities in as many places as possible

Take Administrative Ideas

Focus on advancing Humanist Ideas (I think this will help stop unrest/rebellions? I don't know the mechanics)

Let's focus on the traditions of learning and knowledge embedded in our faith. Let the Sultan and the Loyalists spread Islam by the sword, we of the Ulema shall spread it by the book...

devildragon777.

Soup du Jour posted:

Proposing the Panamanian Control Act, mandating that we colonize or conquer the lands that once fell under our control at the southern end of America, before the French set our settlements ablaze. America is our continent, especially that region.

Soup du Jour.

paragon1 posted:

Proposing the It Was Just Laying Around Act: Conquer the colonies that have rebelled from Morocco.

_{For reference, this includes Morocco's former Caribbean and Brazilian territories.}

paragon1, WilliamAnderson, Talas.

Technowolf posted:

Proposing the Bazaar of the Bizarre act: Build trade depots and/or marketplaces in the provinces with our most valuable trade goods.

Technowolf, GunnerJ.

Dance Officer posted:

I, Dansar Rabb al'Ustul, propose the Continued Made in al Andalus act. Manufactories and workshops are to be built in all provinces in the Sevilla trade node. Other buildings, except for fortifications, may be destroyed to make place.

Dance Officer.

Crazycryodude posted:

Proposing another extension of the Made in Al-Andalus Act
Production is king, and we've still got time to game the institution spawn. I'd rather see the merchants using their policy slots on ideas or more colonies (Asia/Africa are looking woefully under-exploited), let us Loyalists look after the home front.

Crazycryodude, HiHo ChiRho, Odysseus S. Grant.

Flavius Belisarius posted:

I, Emir Flavius al-Belisarius, who is totally not a Roman, propose the Father Cares for Children Act. I encourage the council to yield authority to our beloved Sultan, long may he reign, to focus on improving the prosperity of Greater al-Andalus within the borders his wise father declared to be our charge in the eyes of the Prophet. Let us leave Morocco for the dogs and France to give itself away. We finally have Iberia for ourselves. Let us let our Sultan focus his benevolent hand on it.

Flavius Belisarius.

Proposed Coalitions:

AJ_Impy posted:

Proposing a Coalition motion: Death to All Infidels.
*Convert everyone not currently a true Sunni to the faith of our beloved Sultan, to suppress revolts.
*Pounce on one of our rivals when they are isolated and weak, and when we have the manpower and resources to do so. In specific:
-If Morocco or France become involved in a war or rebellion, Al-Andalus will immediately declare war.
-The war goals against Morocco are the seizure of Tangiers, and then as much adjoining territory as possible.
-Against France, it is their removal from the Mediterranean by whatever means necessary and possible without directly taking territory for Al-Andalus.
-Moroccan intervention takes priority over French.
Additional submissions will be considered, and added in if need be. What one cannot achieve, the many can.

Ulema: AJ_Impy.
Taifas:

Mountaineer posted:

I think both our factions share an interest in building our nation's military strength. In previous wars our weakness was running out of manpower, forcing the Sultan to hire mercenaries and take on massive debts to defend the nation. We can solve this problem by adopting Quantity Ideas to bolster the size of our army.

Loyalists: Mountaineer, Slaan, Zakrelo.
Taifas:

# ? Jul 26, 2017 11:27

Erwin the German: May 30, 2011; :3

Mountaineer posted:

Too bad the New Taifas aren't in charge. I think we're due for a military idea set. Well, there's always coalitions, so let's so if this works out!

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Proposing the More Men for the Sultan's Army Coalition

I think both our factions share an interest in building our nation's military strength. In previous wars our weakness was running out of manpower, forcing the Sultan to hire mercenaries and take on massive debts to defend the nation. We can solve this problem by adopting Quantity Ideas to bolster the size of our army.

I shall support this if we include a stipulation that the money otherwise spent on mercenaries shall instead go towards investment in the prosperity of Al-Andalus. (IE: mosques, universities, etc.)

# ? Jul 26, 2017 13:14

Rody One Half: Feb 18, 2011

AJ_Impy posted:

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Proposing a Coalition motion: Death to All Infidels.

*Convert everyone not currently a true Sunni to the faith of our beloved Sultan, to suppress revolts.
*Pounce on one of our rivals when they are isolated and weak, and when we have the manpower and resources to do so. In specific:
-If Morocco or France become involved in a war or rebellion, Al-Andalus will immediately declare war.
-The war goals against Morocco are the seizure of Tangiers, and then as much adjoining territory as possible.
-Against France, it is their removal from the Mediterranean by whatever means necessary and possible without directly taking territory for Al-Andalus.
-Moroccan intervention takes priority over French.

Additional submissions will be considered, and added in if need be. What one cannot achieve, the many can.

Very well. Against my better judgement, I back this.

# ? Jul 26, 2017 13:20

Average Lettuce: Oct 22, 2012

Soup du Jour posted:

Proposing the Panamanian Control Act, mandating that we colonize or conquer the lands that once fell under our control at the southern end of America, before the French set our settlements ablaze. America is our continent, especially that region.

I support this!

Average Lettuce fucked around with this message at 19:20 on Jul 26, 2017

# ? Jul 26, 2017 14:20

Rubix Squid: Apr 17, 2014

Soup du Jour posted:

Proposing the Panamanian Control Act, mandating that we colonize or conquer the lands that once fell under our control at the southern end of America, before the French set our settlements ablaze. America is our continent, especially that region.

I too support this.

# ? Jul 26, 2017 14:28

Snipee: Mar 27, 2010

Zakrelo posted:

Snipee posted:

I propose the Absolute Freedom Act removing all historic limits on our Sultan's powers to govern as he wished. Practically, this act will serve as legislative cover for any of the Sultan's future actions that might conflict with previously established norms (such as the older traditions of tolerance for Christians) or outdated taboos against our sovereign's efforts for the centralization of power (any de facto restrictions on the monarch from supposedly "infringing" on the "rights" of our bloated aristocracy or of the spoiled children living in our freewheeling colonies).

I am NOT proposing to negate any currently pending policy proposals that will be passed during this session. I only want to make it more narratively plausible for the Sultan to chart his own path away free of the shackles of history.

I like the intention of this act, but is it even legal to propose, and would it be useful considering policies only last one session according to the rules?

I was going for narrative fluff more than anything since it feels weird for the Loyalists to insist on the Sultan to do anything, but Hashim, can you clarify if this is legal?

# ? Jul 26, 2017 14:45

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Snipee posted:

I was going for narrative fluff more than anything since it feels weird for the Loyalists to insist on the Sultan to do anything, but Hashim, can you clarify if this is legal?

It's mostly that part about "removing all historic limits on the Sultan's power to govern" that's the problem. The Majlis literally exists as a limit on the Sultan's power, so like I said before, no single faction can weaken the entire assembly.

I didn't know that you were going for a more narrative direction though, but you don't need to worry about that anyways. Things like the size of different factions and the proposals submitted are all taken into account, and Utman realises that having the largest Jizrunid Loyalist faction ever means he can do what no previous sultan has been able to do: begin to stretch the limits of his perogative.

# ? Jul 26, 2017 15:11

Chatrapati: Nov 6, 2012

The followers of Ali have become too entrenched in the East. Our piety is undermined while the ignorant follow the words of false preachers. I, Chatrapati of the Ulema, propose a missionary programme amongst our Shia provinces, and to erect new mosques in the modern style in those converted provinces to encourage the feeble-minded to remain on the true path to God.

# ? Jul 26, 2017 15:27

Mountaineer: Aug 29, 2008; Imagine a rod breaking on a robot face - forever

Erwin the German posted:

I shall support this if we include a stipulation that the money otherwise spent on mercenaries shall instead go towards investment in the prosperity of Al-Andalus. (IE: mosques, universities, etc.)

I added an amendment. Thank you for your support!

Snipee posted:

I was going for narrative fluff more than anything since it feels weird for the Loyalists to insist on the Sultan to do anything, but Hashim, can you clarify if this is legal?

Who cares if it's legal? I once proposed abolishing the Majlis entirely and I still stand by that.

# ? Jul 26, 2017 15:30

Lord Cyrahzax: Oct 11, 2012

AJ_Impy posted:

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Proposing a Coalition motion: Death to All Infidels.

*Convert everyone not currently a true Sunni to the faith of our beloved Sultan, to suppress revolts.
*Pounce on one of our rivals when they are isolated and weak, and when we have the manpower and resources to do so. In specific:
-If Morocco or France become involved in a war or rebellion, Al-Andalus will immediately declare war.
-The war goals against Morocco are the seizure of Tangiers, and then as much adjoining territory as possible.
-Against France, it is their removal from the Mediterranean by whatever means necessary and possible without directly taking territory for Al-Andalus.
-Moroccan intervention takes priority over French.

Additional submissions will be considered, and added in if need be. What one cannot achieve, the many can.

Excellent. Supporting.

# ? Jul 26, 2017 15:44

Snipee: Mar 27, 2010

Hashim posted:

It's mostly that part about "removing all historic limits on the Sultan's power to govern" that's the problem. The Majlis literally exists as a limit on the Sultan's power, so like I said before, no single faction can weaken the entire assembly.

I didn't know that you were going for a more narrative direction though, but you don't need to worry about that anyways. Things like the size of different factions and the proposals submitted are all taken into account, and Utman realises that having the largest Jizrunid Loyalist faction ever means he can do what no previous sultan has been able to do: begin to stretch the limits of his perogative.

Yessssssss. This is my second favorite LP of all time. The best is still the hilarious Oregon Trail LP from many years ago with goons insisting on loading up the wagons with grandfather clocks with multiple successive votes.

AJ_Impy posted:

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Proposing a Coalition motion: Death to All Infidels.

*Convert everyone not currently a true Sunni to the faith of our beloved Sultan, to suppress revolts.
*Pounce on one of our rivals when they are isolated and weak, and when we have the manpower and resources to do so. In specific:
-If Morocco or France become involved in a war or rebellion, Al-Andalus will immediately declare war.
-The war goals against Morocco are the seizure of Tangiers, and then as much adjoining territory as possible.
-Against France, it is their removal from the Mediterranean by whatever means necessary and possible without directly taking territory for Al-Andalus.
-Moroccan intervention takes priority over French.

Additional submissions will be considered, and added in if need be. What one cannot achieve, the many can.

I support this conditional on the Sultan's approval.

[quote="Mountaineer" post=""474738985"]
Who cares if it's legal? I once proposed abolishing the Majlis entirely and I still stand by that.
[/quote]

I would vote for this instead if you proposed it again.

E: In case it's not clear, I am withdrawing my supposedly illegal proposal in favor of the Death to All Infidels coalition proposal.

Snipee fucked around with this message at 16:58 on Jul 26, 2017

# ? Jul 26, 2017 16:08

Frionnel: May 7, 2010; Friends are what make testing worth it.

Mountaineer posted:

Too bad the New Taifas aren't in charge. I think we're due for a military idea set. Well, there's always coalitions, so let's so if this works out!

/

Proposing the More Men for the Sultan's Army Coalition

I think both our factions share an interest in building our nation's military strength. In previous wars our weakness was running out of manpower, forcing the Sultan to hire mercenaries and take on massive debts to defend the nation. We can solve this problem by adopting Quantity Ideas to bolster the size of our army.
Amendment: While this likely goes without saying, the money thus saved by reducing the cost of our military should instead be put toward the economic and cultural development of Al-Andalus.

Changing my vote to this

Frionnel fucked around with this message at 21:14 on Jul 26, 2017

# ? Jul 26, 2017 17:28

Erwin the German: May 30, 2011; :3

Mountaineer posted:

Too bad the New Taifas aren't in charge. I think we're due for a military idea set. Well, there's always coalitions, so let's so if this works out!

/

Proposing the More Men for the Sultan's Army Coalition

I think both our factions share an interest in building our nation's military strength. In previous wars our weakness was running out of manpower, forcing the Sultan to hire mercenaries and take on massive debts to defend the nation. We can solve this problem by adopting Quantity Ideas to bolster the size of our army.
Amendment: While this likely goes without saying, the money thus saved by reducing the cost of our military should instead be put toward the economic and cultural development of Al-Andalus.

As promised, supporting.

# ? Jul 26, 2017 17:40

Ikasuhito: Sep 29, 2013; Haram as Fuck.

Soup du Jour posted:

Proposing the Panamanian Control Act, mandating that we colonize or conquer the lands that once fell under our control at the southern end of America, before the French set our settlements ablaze. America is our continent, especially that region.

This has my support.

# ? Jul 26, 2017 18:10

catlord: Mar 22, 2009; What's on your mind, Axa?

Rodyle posted:

The Taifas duty is, first and foremost, to the military, and certainly NOT to any projects by mad imams seeking to attack our Dhimmi. Such proposals offer nothing for us and quite the opposite actually run counter to our security goals.

Professional Practice Logistics Act
The Sultan is obligated to ensure that:
1. Our fortresses along the Pyrenees are reinforced as heavily as possible.
2. That constructions and decisions to increase and maintain our manpower continue.
3. And that our defense alliances be kept intact.

~~I support this measure.~~

Edit: Oh, well

Edit 2:

Mountaineer posted:

Too bad the New Taifas aren't in charge. I think we're due for a military idea set. Well, there's always coalitions, so let's so if this works out!

/

Proposing the More Men for the Sultan's Army Coalition

I think both our factions share an interest in building our nation's military strength. In previous wars our weakness was running out of manpower, forcing the Sultan to hire mercenaries and take on massive debts to defend the nation. We can solve this problem by adopting Quantity Ideas to bolster the size of our army.
Amendment: While this likely goes without saying, the money thus saved by reducing the cost of our military should instead be put toward the economic and cultural development of Al-Andalus.

Well, then I'll have to put my vote to here!

catlord fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Jul 26, 2017

# ? Jul 26, 2017 18:45

Mikl: Nov 8, 2009; Vote shit sandwich or the shit sandwich gets it!

Soup du Jour posted:

Proposing the Panamanian Control Act, mandating that we colonize or conquer the lands that once fell under our control at the southern end of America, before the French set our settlements ablaze. America is our continent, especially that region.

Supporting this.

And once we have those territories, let's never give them back.

# ? Jul 26, 2017 18:49

Rody One Half: Feb 18, 2011

catlord posted:

I support this measure.

Measure was withdrawn, my mistake.

Back the Ulema coalition so we can take Tangiers or gently caress up France

# ? Jul 26, 2017 19:03

Frionnel: May 7, 2010; Friends are what make testing worth it.

Or back the Loyalist coalition so that we adopt a very useful idea group for any war while not supporting this silly attack on other faiths.

# ? Jul 26, 2017 19:06

gbuchold: Oct 7, 2007; We feel free because we lack the very language to articulate our unfreedom.; Pillbug

Crazycryodude posted:

Proposing another extension of the Made in Al-Andalus Act

Production is king, and we've still got time to game the institution spawn. I'd rather see the merchants using their policy slots on ideas or more colonies (Asia/Africa are looking woefully under-exploited), let us Loyalists look after the home front.

Supported. Honestly this is just a specific and doable way to improve the homefront, which is the point of the other Loyalist proposal.

# ? Jul 26, 2017 19:07

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