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FlamingLiberal posted:Good on you Murkowski I've been contacting her and Sullivan (even though he's useless) every few days about healthcare, but this was the first time I've had to call and tell a Senator that I support her telling the President to gently caress right off.
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For fucks sake this whole Sessions thing has me tied up in knots. Because on the one hand gently caress Jeff Sessions and getting rid of him would be fantastic. But on the other hand his presence is a clear threat to Trump, and is keeping the Mueller investigation unfettered. Am I rooting for Sessions or not? I can't decide.
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business hammocks posted:Kind of? I'm honestly wondering if Trump just never mentions this again and a few weeks from now we're all 'So I guess that's just not happening' 
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The transgender military thing really is like an even more incompetent version of the travel ban, in that it's a horrendously awful idea that officials said "the implementation for this is so unclear, we can't really do anything until the President tells us what he actually means."
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dwarf74 posted:For fucks sake this whole Sessions thing has me tied up in knots. Because on the one hand gently caress Jeff Sessions and getting rid of him would be fantastic. But on the other hand his presence is a clear threat to Trump, and is keeping the Mueller investigation unfettered. The meteor, you're rooting for the meteor
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business hammocks posted:Kind of? "In the meantime, we will continue to treat all of our personnel with respect" is a broadside.
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Spiritus Nox posted:The meteor, you're rooting for the meteor A gay flaming meteor
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His presence isn't a threat to Trump, though. He just feels wronged because Sessions isn't doing only and exactly what Trump wants. It's all in the guy's head. Sessions would gladly do anything feasible that Trump wants, even now.
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FizFashizzle posted:No. https://thinkprogress.org/transgender-policy-joint-chiefs-2da899e936b5 Yep, the Joint Chiefs are doing just that. A tweet isn't an order, apparently. The chairman of of the Chiefs also stated: General Joseph Dunford posted:“In the meantime, we will continue to treat all of our personnel with respect" efb. You guys are quick!
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Bicyclops posted:The transgender military thing really is like an even more incompetent version of the travel ban, in that it's a horrendously awful idea that officials said "the implementation for this is so unclear, we can't really do anything until the President tells us what he actually means." It is also similar in that it is going to get settled in front of the Supreme Court. Of course will be lots of lawsuits and appeals in the meantime.
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BrandorKP posted:Transgender Service Members Can Stay in the Military for Now, Pentagon Official Says https://nyti.ms/2tN16H1 They may get to stay, but a wave of them have already been assigned modified duties. A co-worker's relative was supposed to deploy for a training mission next week and they already pulled her orders and stuck her behind a desk.
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Deptfordx posted:I'm honestly wondering if Trump just never mentions this again and a few weeks from now we're all 'So I guess that's just not happening' I thought the same thing when this came out. If there's no follow-up past the Twitter announcement then nothing happens. And what's more, it's come out that this was all due to Trump misunderstanding a request from house Republicans (they wanted him to ban reassignment surgeries), so the impetus to follow up might not be there.
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I don't really know the context of the tweet, but that's a pretty old joke from a black comedian. I don't remember the exact joke but it's something like black people are black in the daytime, black at night, black when we're cold, and black in the sun. White people though are white in the day, black at night. Blue when they're cold and red in the sun. White people are the ones who should be called colored.
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Jesus loving Christ. This is the one, this is the thing that breaks my brain
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MacheteZombie posted:They may get to stay, but a wave of them have already been assigned modified duties. A co-worker's relative was supposed to deploy for a training mission next week and they already pulled her orders and stuck her behind a desk. I mean, I understand the sentiment of "sit tight until we figure out wtf". Is desk work frowned upon?
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Phoix posted:Bernie riding the parliamentarians rear end. bernie's staff has been doing absolutely heroic work on this
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JVNO posted:I hate that, as an ex-infantry pacifist who despises the military industrial complex, I'm now defending the rights of trans people to enlist. its not cognitive dissonance because you are aware of the conflict and acknowledge it
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Blitz7x posted:I mean, I understand the sentiment of "sit tight until we figure out wtf". Is desk work frowned upon? It's certainly easier to be discharged if you're on American soil.
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JVNO posted:I hate that, as an ex-infantry pacifist who despises the military industrial complex, I'm now defending the rights of trans people to enlist. It is 100% possible to be a pacifist and also to acknowledge discrimination in an organization or group you don't agree with. That isn't cognitive dissonance.
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Simplex posted:I don't really know the context of the tweet, but that's a pretty old joke from a black comedian. I don't remember the exact joke but it's something like black people are black in the daytime, black at night, black when we're cold, and black in the sun. White people though are white in the day, black at night. Blue when they're cold and red in the sun. White people are the ones who should be called colored. the context of the tweet is that it's nazi propaganda about white genocide
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Blitz7x posted:I mean, I understand the sentiment of "sit tight until we figure out wtf". Is desk work frowned upon? It is if she then can't meet training requirements or misses a promotion or something similar.
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Zil posted:It is also similar in that it is going to get settled in front of the Supreme Court. Of course will be lots of lawsuits and appeals in the meantime. Well, only if he ever actually creates a policy document beyond a three Tweet announcement. I assume that's coming, but who knows what the hell it will look like by the time it actually gets written?
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Blitz7x posted:I mean, I understand the sentiment of "sit tight until we figure out wtf". Is desk work frowned upon? It makes it easier to get discharged. But also some soldiers have done very little desk work. They've been primarily deployed in tactical situations. You are disrupting the tactical effectiveness of deployed troops by removing soldiers with combat experience. e: beaten. while I don't support the military actions overseas, using the excuse of improving morale, tactical readiness, or w/e is pretty bullshit when you're removing experienced soldiers from combat roles.
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Failing Washington Post owner Jeff Bezos is now the richest man in the world.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Can military leaders say "we disagree and will not ban transgender population from being in military? No, and they cannot come even close to it. However the military's ability to fight poo poo it dislikes by tying it up with internal bureaucratic red tape is without peer in the modern world. So far the military's response has been officer speak for "Oh so you think Congress can drag its feet? That's adorable  ".
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HappyHippo posted:I thought the same thing when this came out. If there's no follow-up past the Twitter announcement then nothing happens. And what's more, it's come out that this was all due to Trump misunderstanding a request from house Republicans (they wanted him to ban reassignment surgeries), so the impetus to follow up might not be there. I think it depends. Is this his broke brain misunderstanding a Ryan request or is Pence driving this behind the scenes.
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Party Plane Jones posted:Failing Washington Post owner Jeff Bezos is now the richest man in the world. Cause tax write-off?
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I just can't help but wonder what it must feel like to be deployed and currently serving abroad when all of a sudden your President, with all the forethought of a tweet, singles you out and makes it explicit that you're not worth it. Like, everyone who is deployed goes through some rough patches, but that'd be such an unnecessary punch in the gut on an already poo poo situation.
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Skinny Repeal, wandering the burnt husk of the apocalypse, trying to rescue his family, probably long gone, from the malevolent Great King of the Ashen Lands, Byrd Rule
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farraday posted:https://twitter.com/kasie/status/890606495737405442 Well I was wrong, kinda because I didn't expect the secretary of the interior to threaten a person that has real power over him. Hope Murkowski holds on this.
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Cause tax write-off? Stock price jump.
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Calaveron posted:Skinny Repeal, wandering the burnt husk of the apocalypse, trying to rescue his family, probably long gone, from the malevolent Great King of the Ashen Lands, Byrd Rule Neil Stephenson and his wacky character names!
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Blitz7x posted:What if my senators are Cornyn and Cruz Call them and tell them the bill isn't evil enough. Especially Cruz.
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RottenK posted:the context of the tweet is that it's nazi propaganda about white genocide So white supremacists wish to use colored as a pejorative, while at the same time claim it as their own. And to do so they'll reference an old black comedian's joke. Well now my brain broke
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Party Plane Jones posted:Failing Washington Post owner Jeff Bezos is now the richest man in the world. Tbf a lot of that money is purely theoretical based upon a share price that would tank if he was seen trying to sell off a significant amount of.
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What exactly is the Byrd Rule everyone is talking about?
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Simplex posted:So white supremacists wish to use colored as a pejorative, while at the same time claim it as their own. And to do so they'll reference an old black comedian's joke. Well now my brain broke It's not complex. They want all positive traits or connotation to apply to them and all negative traits and connotation to apply to others. They will gladly adopt any positive traits used by others and try to make it about them without it confusing them because they know the difference between "I am colorful and wonderful" and "those colored boys" in their own brain. The 'white people are the real colorful ones' is a really really old thing though. You hear it a lot about hair color and how it's being 'erased' from certain shits.
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HappyHippo posted:I thought there were dozens of goons making this point? I thought those things were possible, which is a different thing from likely. Technically I still think they are, but as his administration started taking shape at the end of 2016 I steadily turned down the probability dial. 
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MacheteZombie posted:They may get to stay, but a wave of them have already been assigned modified duties. A co-worker's relative was supposed to deploy for a training mission next week and they already pulled her orders and stuck her behind a desk. A lot of the military higher ups would have been told stories by the WWII generation like this one: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3810162&pagenumber=5&perpage=40#post472602931 This could be going much, much worse. Preventing horrific things like that is probably now on many senior officers minds.
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