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Adiabatic posted:And on the left you have radical requirements of the right to completely change their behaviors immediately to the left's views, with calls to fascism and racism if they don't fall in line. I personally mostly agree with the left's rhetoric but their delivery is divisive. See and what I took away from this election is a lot more cynicism because everything points to a sharp generational divide. Lots of boomers think in unsustainable, privileged and reality-denying ways and that's simply on them, they prove and continue to prove it. The far left might scream racism and practice the same-thing-but-on-the-other-team line of thinking but outside of hosed up anti-GMO and anti-vax garbage it's simply not as destructive. The attack on the left is 'HEH TOFU' where as the stuff from the right is 'HEH YOU AREN'T A PERSON ALSO BOOTSTRAPS'. And the "left" doesn't go out and loving take part in the goddamned election process you loving idiots we outnumber boomers just show the gently caress up which ties right back into cynicism.
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While I am all about actually showing up and voting, I can kind of understand the viewpoint of "... yeah, gently caress you both."
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Jul 27, 2017 18:12
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So can i, in exactly the same way that I can kind of understand the viewpoint of people who commit suicide.
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Jul 27, 2017 18:23
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mekilljoydammit posted:While I am all about actually showing up and voting, I can kind of understand the viewpoint of "... yeah, gently caress you both." Yea. As someone who was registered 'R' for most of my life.. I changed that to Independent about 10 years ago, and now I hate both parties. I lean conservative in a lot of ways, but on social issues lean towards the left. I would have voted for Bernie if my loving state allowed Independents a voice in the primaries, but instead was not allowed to vote until the choice was shitpile one or shitpile two. I did however, still show up and vote, as I feel that participating in an election is the most important thing that a citizen can do. I just wish the parties weren't so hosed up that they gave us such a god damned lovely choice. I still can't believe what we got. Both parties are so dysfunctional and myopic that they completely ignore what the country as a whole wants and seemingly can't find a palatable and competent candidate to stick up on the podium to get my vote.
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Jul 27, 2017 18:27
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The Locator posted:Yea. As someone who was registered 'R' for most of my life.. I changed that to Independent about 10 years ago, and now I hate both parties. I lean conservative in a lot of ways, but on social issues lean towards the left. I would have voted for Bernie if my loving state allowed Independents a voice in the primaries, but instead was not allowed to vote until the choice was shitpile one or shitpile two. both parties are currently run by aged old people who have no idea what the average american is like because theyve been in office for 30 years
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Jul 27, 2017 18:31
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I was not a Hillary Clinton fan but I detest the false equivalence argument. Clinton was not a good candidate in broad historical terms compared to many other US presidents and presidential candidates, but she was massively, massively better than Trump and it's a huge, incredibly self-defeating mistake by the left to equate them.
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Jul 27, 2017 18:34
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Leperflesh posted:I was not a Hillary Clinton fan but I detest the false equivalence argument. Clinton was not a good candidate in broad historical terms compared to many other US presidents and presidential candidates, but she was massively, massively better than Trump and it's a huge, incredibly self-defeating mistake by the left to equate them. On the one hand, agreed. On the other hand, if you're in a crummy economic situation, it's hard to get enthusiastic about, at best, "more of the same!". There's a lot of people who just are not enthusiastic about voting against candidates.
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Jul 27, 2017 18:49
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Hey at any rate it's cool to see people's viewpoints without a lot of yelling. Good work AI!
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Jul 27, 2017 18:55
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I'll take the status quo any day over sheer mind-numbing horror of a Trump administration.
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Adiabatic posted:e: I should definitely point out that I was doing it too before this election, but a significant portion of the population thinks differently than I do and I know they aren't all racist bigoted morons so I have since been making a genuine effort to understand. It's probably because I just don't care anymore, but my eyes glaze over and I throw on a smile when people start politireligion talk. I quickly find an exit and walk away because it's not worth the brain power. I have my own thing going on and don't care to be bothered with any of that negativity in my life since every few years the new message is exactly the same except this time in package 2.0, or in my case package 10.3.2 or so.
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CommieGIR posted:I'll take the status quo any day over sheer mind-numbing horror of a Trump administration. I don't live in the US (rather, your northern neighbour) but since what happens in the US affects everyone else (us especially) I've got to agree with you. Big money's gonna run the show either way. I'd rather have the big money running the show that's fronted by a party whose policy isn't "will you all just please die quietly" (and preferably one that doesn't have a trend of picking candidates experiencing early signs of dementia). Rhyno posted:Everyone is cool except mormons. Eh. Mormons can be cool if they're cool about it. It's not like an actual no poo poo bona fide cult like the JWs (well, except for the FLDS, but there's a lot of No True Mormon there). Kazinsal fucked around with this message at 19:11 on Jul 27, 2017 |
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Jul 27, 2017 19:08
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Kazinsal posted:preferably one that doesn't have a trend of picking candidates Fixed that for you.
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the problem with the uk, the us, and all its like is that children are indoctrinated from birth to accept liberalism as a sort of religion so it's an uphill battle right from the start
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Jul 27, 2017 19:20
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The Locator posted:Yea. As someone who was registered 'R' for most of my life.. I changed that to Independent about 10 years ago, and now I hate both parties. I lean conservative in a lot of ways, but on social issues lean towards the left. I would have voted for Bernie if my loving state allowed Independents a voice in the primaries, but instead was not allowed to vote until the choice was shitpile one or shitpile two. Are you me? Leperflesh posted:I was not a Hillary Clinton fan but I detest the false equivalence argument. Clinton was not a good candidate in broad historical terms compared to many other US presidents and presidential candidates, but she was massively, massively better than Trump and it's a huge, incredibly self-defeating mistake by the left to equate them. Objectively, yes, she was well qualified, certainly from an experience point of view, but the Dems essentially picked the ONE person that a huge number of people hate so much that they would rather vote for their own destruction, for whatever reason. she just had a was of pissing people off. I don't care for her, but given the other choice, i swallowed my bile. And I'm not even all that political. Hillary just rubs folks the wrong way. You'd think that the left would figure out that we don't want just another damned politician at the helm. keykey posted:It's probably because I just don't care anymore, but my eyes glaze over and I throw on a smile when people start politireligion talk. I quickly find an exit and walk away because it's not worth the brain power. I have my own thing going on and don't care to be bothered with any of that negativity in my life since every few years the new message is exactly the same except this time in package 2.0, or in my case package 10.3.2 or so. Yeah, pretty much that. I don't mean to diss other people's opinions, but after so many years of the same book with a different cover, it's hard to give a poo poo. that said, Trump is changing the book. Not for the better, but it's definitely a change. The part of me that wants to watch train wrecks is excited. the part of me that has to be IN the train wreck is not.
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I regard myself as centre right, in British terms at least. In American terms I dunno. I guess I kind of want the non-insane bits from both sides. It seems like everywhere, politics is now just "here are your two undesirable options, and while technically there are some others, you're having a giraffe, mate, it's poo poo sandwich o'clock and you're getting one of them"
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keykey posted:It's probably because I just don't care anymore, but my eyes glaze over and I throw on a smile when people start politireligion talk. I quickly find an exit and walk away because it's not worth the brain power. I have my own thing going on and don't care to be bothered with any of that negativity in my life since every few years the new message is exactly the same except this time in package 2.0, or in my case package 10.3.2 or so. I am absolutely getting there myself.
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InitialDave posted:I regard myself as centre right, in British terms at least. In American terms I dunno. I guess I kind of want the non-insane bits from both sides. our government structure is certainly a lot more winner-takes-all which is why we only have two parties and never will until we restructure our government (union would probably break up before that happens). and also our right wing is a whole lot more right wing than a lot of countries. loving insanity here.
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fridge corn posted:the problem with the uk, the us, and all its like is that children are indoctrinated from birth to accept liberalism as a sort of religion so it's an uphill battle right from the start California is that but on an infinite multiplier. I'm super glad I'm not doing grad school at UC Berkeley since it was one of the finalists my decision came down to. All the recent bullshit started a few weeks after I would have started and the major bullshit hit when I would have been on campus during a Saturday. I'm not sure about the rest of the states, but CA is the worst of both sides since people are so hard left that they have their heads way up their asses and the right is so hard the other direction that they equally have their heads up their asses.
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keykey posted:California is that but on an infinite multiplier. I'm super glad I'm not doing grad school at UC Berkeley since it was one of the finalists my decision came down to. All the recent bullshit started a few weeks after I would have started and the major bullshit hit when I would have been on campus during a Saturday. I'm not sure about the rest of the states, but CA is the worst of both sides since people are so hard left that they have their heads way up their asses and the right is so hard the other direction that they equally have their heads up their asses. california liberals get real touchy about taxes first against the wall
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The Locator posted:I still can't believe what we got. Both parties are so dysfunctional and myopic that they completely ignore what the country as a whole wants and seemingly can't find a palatable and competent candidate to stick up on the podium to get my vote.
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ilkhan posted:This is the part that eats at me. Any halfway decent candidate would have easily taken this election, and we still ended up with like 5% 3rd party. Doesn't help that the 3rd party candidates were also terrible (albeit in different ways). We didn't even have a reasonably palatable 'protest vote' to vote for.
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What really ticks me off about the parties is that they seem to be unable to comprehend this: Somewhere around 35~40% are going to vote "R", even if a damp bag of poo poo is the R candidate. Somewhere around 35~40% are going to vote "D", even if a damp bag of poo poo is the D candidate. How hard is it to understand that you need to find a candidate that will appeal to that 20~30% of voters that actually are willing to compromise and not vote straight party ticket in order to win? Instead they stick up candidates that appeal to their base, who would have voted for them no matter what, and the swing vote is left going "what the gently caress?", and trying to figure out which candidate disgusts them slightly less before holding their nose and casting their vote (or staying home and saying 'gently caress it').
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Jul 27, 2017 19:42
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The Locator posted:What really ticks me off about the parties is that they seem to be unable to comprehend this: it really doesnt matter because when it comes down to congress, numbers matter and winner takes all.
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It was certainly cathartic watching Theresa May's "we're going to reinforce our majority and double down on everything" plan go completely to poo poo at the hands of the electorate. If Labour had fielded someone more palatable to the middle ground, they might well have won.
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InitialDave posted:It was certainly cathartic watching Theresa May's "we're going to reinforce our majority and double down on everything" plan go completely to poo poo at the hands of the electorate. If Labour had fielded someone more palatable to the middle ground, they might well have won. Lol you mean somebody like Tim Farron?
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The problem with mormons is it's really hard to get a good beer in Utah.
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Jul 27, 2017 20:05
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fridge corn posted:Lol you mean somebody like Tim Farron?
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InitialDave posted:It was certainly cathartic watching Theresa May's "we're going to reinforce our majority and double down on everything" plan go completely to poo poo at the hands of the electorate. If Labour had fielded someone more palatable to the middle ground, they might well have won. Labor would have gotten destroyed with a middling appease the centre leader. Corbyn was coming home with a wet sail as people listened to what he said rather than the bullshit in the papers. If his own party had STFU and solidly backed him he would have done even better. Socialists are no longer unelectable and the socialistic ideas that improve society are proving popular esp when explained.
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Jul 27, 2017 20:32
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You're welcome to him if you want him.
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Jul 27, 2017 20:35
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Adiabatic posted:Hey at any rate it's cool to see people's viewpoints without a lot of yelling. Good work AI! *yelling* Stick a barra in it!
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Jul 27, 2017 20:46
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InitialDave posted:You're welcome to him if you want him. he's literally better than anything they have in oz rn
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Fo3 posted:*yelling* A six?! Stick an LSx in it!
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FAT32 SHAMER posted:he's literally better than anything they have in oz rn True enough. Has anyone had a payment for an ebay item of higher value (£300) on a "funds not yet available"? Seems strange, the wording is: While you build up a history of selling on eBay, you may have to wait up to 21 days until you can access your money. You may get it sooner, but it may take longer if your buyer reports a problem with the sale. But I don't see why that would apply, I've been selling stuff on ebay for years, got nearly 1k feedback score.
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Jul 27, 2017 20:54
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Lord Buckethead was the hero we needed
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Darchangel posted:A six?! Stick an LSx in it! There's no middle ground here, so we are going to have to become enemies and live off hateful diatribe.
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InitialDave posted:Yes, actually. Farron was a decent guy, the Lib Dems deciding to railroad him basically for daring to be Christian despite being 100% of a liberal outlook and not wanting to impose his beliefs on people was a mistake, and symptomatic of the left's aforementioned "you're either 100% on board and behind us in every way, or you're Hitler" problem. Lol drat not the response I was expecting but this is much better
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Fo3 posted:There's no middle ground here, so we are going to have to become enemies and live off hateful diatribe. I've changed my mind. Put a rotary in it! Suck it, piston lover.
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The Locator posted:Doesn't help that the 3rd party candidates were also terrible (albeit in different ways). We didn't even have a reasonably palatable 'protest vote' to vote for. The Locator posted:What really ticks me off about the parties is that they seem to be unable to comprehend this:
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freelop posted:Lord Buckethead was the hero we needed fridge corn posted:Lol drat not the response I was expecting but this is much better
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InitialDave posted:His solution to the Trident wrangling was great. I wasnt expecting you to unironically defend Tim Farron of all people, especially considering the lib dems did not do very well in the election
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