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Jobbo_Fett: Mar 7, 2014; Slava Ukrayini; Clapping Larry

Tekopo posted:

Wow dude not cool

Its a perfect system, he buys everything and I agree to play against him.

# ? Jul 27, 2017 16:35

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# ? Jun 5, 2024 21:23

Tekopo: Oct 24, 2008; When you see it, you'll shit yourself.

Jobbo_Fett posted:

Its a perfect system, he buys everything and I agree to play against him.

what about me?!

# ? Jul 27, 2017 16:39

Jobbo_Fett: Mar 7, 2014; Slava Ukrayini; Clapping Larry

Tekopo posted:

what about me?!

You can replace COOL CORN whenever because we all know he never plays his games anyways :v:

# ? Jul 27, 2017 16:41

Ivan Shitskin: Nov 29, 2002

Squiggle posted:

Sigh, if I were thinking of getting one of the Combat Mission games with the engine upgrades, what's my pick? Battles for Normandy? Fortress Italy? Red Thunder?
If I'm upgrading engine anyway, does it even matter beyond units and nations? BFN seems to have more expansion content, but I like beating up on weak fools so maybe Fortress Italy is the way to go.

Or, I can just stick with Graviteam Tactics Mius Front. Also an option. I just miss the old CM games, but wanted the updated engine.

Regarding their WW2 games:

It would be expensive, but if you get the Normandy bundle with the two expansions (it's like $100 I think) then that would have by far the most content. It's been out the longest and has a large number of very good user-made scenarios, campaigns and mods that you can download. All that along with the expansion and base game content gives you a huge number of scenarios and campaigns. The Allied Market Garden campaign might be my favorite.

You can't really go wrong with Fortress Italy though. The Italian army is a lot of fun. There's a fun Italian campaign that has you driving toward the coast of Sicily with loads of little tankettes and motorized infantry. The game plays a bit differently from the other games, as there is a lot of mountain fighting, infantry and artillery usage rather than big tank battles.

The campaigns in Red Thunder are a bit larger and more overwhelming than in most of the other games. The Russian campaign has you commanding a big infantry assault, supported by some light assault guns and artillery, on fortified German lines at the very opening of Operation Bagration. The German campaign has you commanding a really big mechanized force, counter-attacking the Russians near Warsaw, and it has a lot of big tank battles. If you had to get only one CM game then I probably wouldn't recommend this one unless you're really into the eastern front.

There's also Final Blitzkrieg but I'm not as familiar with that one.

You can also just do what the other guy said and get Black Sea. It's good but very different from the WW2 stuff. I'd get either that one or Normandy + expansions if I had to only get one. But it's still mostly what theater/war you're most interested in.

# ? Jul 27, 2017 17:04

Squiggle: Sep 29, 2002; I don't think she likes the special sauce, Rick.

Kenzie posted:

Regarding their WW2 games:

It would be expensive, but if you get the Normandy bundle with the two expansions (it's like $100 I think) then that would have by far the most content. It's been out the longest and has a large number of very good user-made scenarios, campaigns and mods that you can download. All that along with the expansion and base game content gives you a huge number of scenarios and campaigns. The Allied Market Garden campaign might be my favorite.
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There's also Final Blitzkrieg but I'm not as familiar with that one.

Awesome, this is exactly what I was hoping for and kind of expected. So as long as the engine is up to date, I'm not missing out on much (that mods can't fix) going Normandy over Blitzkrieg?
I do like the winter look, but its hard to deny the comparative value. The main thing that kept me from pulling the trigger on FB was that I already have Command Ops 2 for my Bulge-Battling needs.

If that's the only real difference, Normandy it is.

Kenzie posted:

You can also just do what the other guy said and get Black Sea.

_{I did}

May as well cover my modern era and WW2 bases.

# ? Jul 27, 2017 23:54

Count Thrashula: Jun 1, 2003; Death is nothing compared to vindication.; Buglord

Jobbo_Fett posted:

You can replace COOL CORN whenever because we all know he never plays his games anyways

"But what about when there was only one set of footprints in the sand, COOL CORN?"

"That's when I was off selling all my games to buy new ones. Don't worry I'll be back"

# ? Jul 27, 2017 23:57

LogisticEarth: Mar 28, 2004; Someone once told me, "Time is a flat circle".

I wish more people bought Red Thunder, so I could get a regular multiplayer game.

Alternatively, maybe don't break the game up by theater and charge people $60 or whatever for each version.

# ? Jul 28, 2017 00:38

Jobbo_Fett: Mar 7, 2014; Slava Ukrayini; Clapping Larry

LogisticEarth posted:

I wish more people bought Red Thunder, so I could get a regular multiplayer game.

Alternatively, maybe don't break the game up by theater and charge people $60 or whatever for each version.

Alternatively, break up the game by thunder but keep it as ONE GOD drat GAME :argh:

# ? Jul 28, 2017 00:42

oscarthewilde: May 16, 2012; I would often go there
To the tiny church there

ZombieLenin posted:

I'm totally serious with a bunch of caveats really one. I already Facebook posted about it soliciting interest.

This is actually something I tried before (for traditional games), but in that case I merely attempted to make a critical gaming community/website (it's still up but I've done nothing with it in years, and we would probably need a new domain in any case).

Which brings up the caveat, trying to do it alone was overwhelming to me and I that was when I was only a grad student, not a person with a job.

I had a bunch of people who told me they were going to contribute and didn't, or just did one or two things. I really do not want to do that again, because it will just fail.

In other words, I am totally serious about it if I can count on other people to be serious about it. If you have PMs you can PM me and we can talk about it more. I don't want to derail the entire grog thread, especially when it's quite likely that some of the people here either don't care enough about "politics" to want to read it, or do not share in our political leanings.

If you're really serious, and need some help, I've been trying to think of a (left-wing) critique of wargames for a while. I haven't really published anything yet, but I definitely think some of my ideas are pretty decent.

# ? Jul 28, 2017 00:59

cool new Metroid game: Oct 7, 2009; hail satan

the socio-economic implications of matrix's pricing structure keeping minorities out of wargaming?

# ? Jul 28, 2017 01:17

HannibalBarca: Sep 11, 2016; History shows, again and again, how nature points out the folly of man.

cool new Metroid game posted:

the socio-economic implications of matrix's pricing structure keeping minorities out of wargaming?

# ? Jul 28, 2017 02:45

Count Thrashula: Jun 1, 2003; Death is nothing compared to vindication.; Buglord

What are some good Napoleonics games? Ideally something super groggy like War in the East but for Napoleonic wars - like lines and columns on a map.

But, I've been playing Napoleon Total War and it's... fine.

# ? Jul 28, 2017 03:39

cool new Metroid game: Oct 7, 2009; hail satan

there's a bunch of john tiller games covering various napoleonic battles if you can deal with the 90's UI and graphics.

# ? Jul 28, 2017 03:42

Ivan Shitskin: Nov 29, 2002

Squiggle posted:

Awesome, this is exactly what I was hoping for and kind of expected. So as long as the engine is up to date, I'm not missing out on much (that mods can't fix) going Normandy over Blitzkrieg?
I do like the winter look, but its hard to deny the comparative value. The main thing that kept me from pulling the trigger on FB was that I already have Command Ops 2 for my Bulge-Battling needs.

If that's the only real difference, Normandy it is.

CMFB has some new tanks and vehicles and unit types and whatnot (like volksgrenadiers I think), but yeah I don't think you will be missing all that much. I think CMBN even has winter texture mods. Rather than paying $60 for two single-player campaigns and a bunch of standalone scenarios in FB or Red Thunder or whatever, the Normandy bundle gives you like triple that with 6 or 7 campaigns (some of them really long, with like 14-16 missions in one campaign), plus all the scenarios and user-made stuff. So it does seem like the best value to me.

They also released a little $10 battle pack that adds another campaign and a dozen scenarios but you have to buy their stupid $20 vehicle packand gently caress that bullshit.

# ? Jul 28, 2017 07:40

algebra testes: Mar 5, 2011; Lipstick Apathy

The first Normandy Campaign imo is really one of the best combat mission ones. Starts with a non-Omaha beach landing iirc and it's super interesting.

# ? Jul 28, 2017 07:58

Count Thrashula: Jun 1, 2003; Death is nothing compared to vindication.; Buglord

It's hard being a leftish grognard. The mental gymnastics I have to go through to enjoy games about wars is Olympic-level.

At least sometimes I can just tell myself I'm simulating killing Nazis.

# ? Jul 28, 2017 14:22

Jobbo_Fett: Mar 7, 2014; Slava Ukrayini; Clapping Larry

COOL CORN posted:

It's hard being a leftish grognard. The mental gymnastics I have to go through to enjoy games about wars is Olympic-level.

At least sometimes I can just tell myself I'm simulating killing Nazis.

Play only as the Russians and claim its for the good of the people.

# ? Jul 28, 2017 14:33

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

Jobbo_Fett posted:

Play only as the Russians and claim its for the good of the people.

yeah seriously its super easy to invade the Fulda Gap with a cogent diegetic justification for doing so, much less Bagration and Uranus

# ? Jul 28, 2017 14:40

Tekopo: Oct 24, 2008; When you see it, you'll shit yourself.

One of the guys at my meetup group was surprised I was left-wing considering that:

- I like wargames
- I like games with heavy economics elements (18XX, Food Chain Magnate etc)

I guess he has a point, though.

# ? Jul 28, 2017 14:43

Drone: Aug 22, 2003; Incredible machine

But leftism was born of economics :confused:

On the wargame side of things, just tell him it's your way of exporting the revolution.

# ? Jul 28, 2017 14:51

Yooper: Apr 30, 2012

COOL CORN posted:

It's hard being a leftish grognard. The mental gymnastics I have to go through to enjoy games about wars is Olympic-level.

At least sometimes I can just tell myself I'm simulating killing Nazis.

So why is it that goons are leftist wargamers? Not that we talk politics, but it seems most people who bring it up are on the left. Seems odd when most of the industry (the vocal bits) are firmly on the right.

# ? Jul 28, 2017 14:57

Dark_Swordmaster: Oct 31, 2011

Maybe the public facing wargame personalities are just so right that we appear left even if we're middling.

Or maybe we just want to distance ourselves from That.

# ? Jul 28, 2017 15:00

Tekopo: Oct 24, 2008; When you see it, you'll shit yourself.

Drone posted:

But leftism was born of economics

While true, this isn't the modern perception to some extent.

# ? Jul 28, 2017 15:04

Lichtenstein: May 31, 2012; It'll make sense, eventually.

Yooper posted:

So why is it that goons are leftist wargamers? Not that we talk politics, but it seems most people who bring it up are on the left. Seems odd when most of the industry (the vocal bits) are firmly on the right.

Most of us are less than 80 years old.

# ? Jul 28, 2017 15:04

Count Thrashula: Jun 1, 2003; Death is nothing compared to vindication.; Buglord

Yooper posted:

So why is it that goons are leftist wargamers? Not that we talk politics, but it seems most people who bring it up are on the left. Seems odd when most of the industry (the vocal bits) are firmly on the right.

It's the sample pool. Most Goons (in my experience) are left-leaning, ergo most Goon wargamers are going to be left-leaning.

But Lord help you if you go to some other wargaming-specific forum, Facebook group, or Slack channel.

# ? Jul 28, 2017 15:04

Jobbo_Fett: Mar 7, 2014; Slava Ukrayini; Clapping Larry

Lichtenstein posted:

Most of us are less than 80 years old.

Also not raging assholes or racists

# ? Jul 28, 2017 15:05

Baloogan: Dec 5, 2004; Fun Shoe

what could be more socialist than a game where units in need are provided with refit/resupply, that supplies are shared across the entire team? wargames are the only games where the socialism is built into the soul of the game!

i vote/canvass for the socialists in canada (we just won in my province!) but i don't think of myself as left-wing

i think earth should convert to some sort of authoritarian socialism with a mission of colonizing the entire solar system and maybe try for alpha centauri then can have whatever governments people desire (heinleinian libertarians on a asteroid, snakes on a plane etc)

can u imagine how good the wargames will be in a thousand years? pew pew space war

ad astra!!!!

# ? Jul 28, 2017 15:07

Tekopo: Oct 24, 2008; When you see it, you'll shit yourself.

In 100 years, 90% of wargames will still just be about World War 2. Sad but true.

# ? Jul 28, 2017 15:10

Dark_Swordmaster: Oct 31, 2011

I am not grog material. I had to use a translator to figure out Corn's text.

# ? Jul 28, 2017 15:11

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

Tekopo posted:

In 100 years, 90% of wargames will still just be about World War 2. Sad but true.

Yeah but we can fight The Eastern Front at a battalion level!!!

# ? Jul 28, 2017 15:11

Baloogan: Dec 5, 2004; Fun Shoe

world war 3 will make world war 2 look like world war 1

# ? Jul 28, 2017 15:12

Baloogan: Dec 5, 2004; Fun Shoe

I'd like a individual, combat-mission-style sim of the entire pacific war. Cooks and airplane maintainers on every carrier simulated down to their inventory and malaria levels.

I call it.... War in the Pacific 2

# ? Jul 28, 2017 15:13

Tekopo: Oct 24, 2008; When you see it, you'll shit yourself.

Baloogan posted:

world war 3 will make world war 2 look like world war 1

do you mean that even MORE german apologists will pop out of the woodwork? i find that hard to believe

# ? Jul 28, 2017 15:14

Jobbo_Fett: Mar 7, 2014; Slava Ukrayini; Clapping Larry

Baloogan posted:

I'd like a individual, combat-mission-style sim of the entire pacific war. Cooks and airplane maintainers on every carrier simulated down to their inventory and malaria levels.

I call it.... War in the Pacific 2

Where do I go to give you $100 and can I help?

# ? Jul 28, 2017 15:17

Ivan Shitskin: Nov 29, 2002

What i wanna know is when are we finally gonna get an ISIS simulator

# ? Jul 28, 2017 15:19

Forums Terrorist: Dec 8, 2011

Baloogan posted:

what could be more socialist than a game where units in need are provided with refit/resupply, that supplies are shared across the entire team? wargames are the only games where the socialism is built into the soul of the game!

i vote/canvass for the socialists in canada (we just won in my province!) but i don't think of myself as left-wing

i think earth should convert to some sort of authoritarian socialism with a mission of colonizing the entire solar system and maybe try for alpha centauri then can have whatever governments people desire (heinleinian libertarians on a asteroid, snakes on a plane etc)

can u imagine how good the wargames will be in a thousand years? pew pew space war

ad astra!!!!

noted Posadist Baloogan

# ? Jul 28, 2017 15:20

Tekopo: Oct 24, 2008; When you see it, you'll shit yourself.

Kenzie posted:

What i wanna know is when are we finally gonna get an ISIS simulator

Better believe in an ISIS simulator, Kenzie, because you're in one.

# ? Jul 28, 2017 15:21

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

Kenzie posted:

What i wanna know is when are we finally gonna get an ISIS simulator

Someone needs to reverse-engineer Afghanistan '11 into this.

# ? Jul 28, 2017 15:21

BrutalistMcDonalds: Oct 4, 2012; Lipstick Apathy

I triggered a game store owner (the kind who sold Flames of War, Napoleonic minis, chess sets, etc.) by saying something nice about the anarchist militia pewter barbies I was buying.

I think he was into Franco.

I mean, you were the one selling me the drat CNT-FAI minis, dude!

Baloogan posted:

what could be more socialist than a game where units in need are provided with refit/resupply, that supplies are shared across the entire team? wargames are the only games where the socialism is built into the soul of the game!

i vote/canvass for the socialists in canada (we just won in my province!) but i don't think of myself as left-wing

i think earth should convert to some sort of authoritarian socialism with a mission of colonizing the entire solar system and maybe try for alpha centauri then can have whatever governments people desire (heinleinian libertarians on a asteroid, snakes on a plane etc)

can u imagine how good the wargames will be in a thousand years? pew pew space war

ad astra!!!!

Hmm.

Look, I'm not going to say it isn't tempting.

BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 15:25 on Jul 28, 2017

# ? Jul 28, 2017 15:23

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# ? Jun 5, 2024 21:23

Dark_Swordmaster: Oct 31, 2011

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

I triggered a game store owner (the kind who sold Flames of War, Napoleonic minis, chess sets, etc.) by saying something nice about the anarchist militia pewter barbies I was buying.

I think he was into Franco.

I mean, you were selling me the drat CNT-FAI minis, dude!

Hmm.

Look, I'm not going to say it isn't tempting.

Any more to this? I love it when grogs get upset.

# ? Jul 28, 2017 15:24

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