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Carecat posted:And cultural marxists? Often this was just an excuse for  trad Marxists to grump about rock and roll music or sit coms or whatever was new that they didn't like, but it did lay down the foundations for critical theory.Nowadays it means that the person saying it is probably an alt-right fuckwit, but it's p. funny that people like PJW blame cultural marxism for degenerate television when actual Cultural Marxists were saying the exact same thing about TV in the 60s. Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 18:22 on Jul 27, 2017 |
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JVNO posted:I don't doubt whatsoever this is the case, just that we're kidding ourselves if we think the average person parroting that line is saying anything other than, 'I don't like thing.' But what and why they don't like is influenced just like their word choice
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Holy poo poo, that avatar. Surely this thread attracts people who worry about virtue signaling. Midig fucked around with this message at 21:04 on Jul 27, 2017 |
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Jul 27, 2017 20:58
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Midig posted:Holy poo poo, that avatar. Surely this thread attracts people who worry about virtue signaling. Oh, I got that this morning from mad Trump supporters in GBS. I like it a hell of a lot more than my last one.
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Virtue signalling is just the dumbest loving buzzword. I mean, the act of accusing people of virtue signalling is itself virtue signalling (to everybody that you're the type of person to accuse people of virtue signalling). Conversation is all about the conveyance of ideas and values. So it's entirely arbitrary when they accuse on person of 'ethical chest thumping' while pretending they're just cold and logical.
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It did originally have a meaning among activists, saying things that signal you're a good person without actually having to do anything, talking the talk but not walking the walk (in the original sense of the term). Like "isn't it so awful what's happening in X" without ever having done or planning to do anything about it, "I could never be friends with a racist" without confronting your friends' subtle racisms, or any other indication that you're tolerant and open-minded without requiring investment. It's Phil Ochs' Love Me I'm A Liberal for written discourse. Of course, everything that the alt-right touches that hasn't been solidly cemented in the mainstream turns to poo poo.
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Probably similar to the origins of 'politically correct' and even 'social justice warrior'. Co-opted by people unburdened by the nuance of the original meaning.
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Guavanaut posted:It did originally have a meaning among activists, saying things that signal you're a good person without actually having to do anything, talking the talk but not walking the walk (in the original sense of the term). There is not going to be any great words that will stand the test of time because someone will overuse it and ruin it for the rest of us. Midig fucked around with this message at 22:55 on Jul 27, 2017 |
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Virtue signalling was basically a sociology term for the stuff the Bible rants about the Pharisees doing. Midig posted:There is not going to be any great words that will stand the test of time because someone will overuse it and ruin it for the rest of us. "Motherfucker" will reign eternal.
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Goon Danton posted:"Motherfucker" will reign eternal. I dunno, I'm pretty sure most people who get called motherfucker don't actually gently caress their mothers.
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Who What Now posted:I dunno, I'm pretty sure most people who get called motherfucker don't actually gently caress their mothers. Part of the charm.
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...Wait, "manosphere"? googles 
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Discendo Vox posted:...Wait, "manosphere"? You should have held on to that innocence.
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JVNO posted:Virtue signalling is just the dumbest loving buzzword. I mean, the act of accusing people of virtue signalling is itself virtue signalling (to everybody that you're the type of person to accuse people of virtue signalling). The thing about virtue signalling as a concept (in the way it's used by the alt-right anyways) is that it technically exists in the sense of "someone expressing virtuous views in order to look good to others" is obviously a thing, but 1. it's difficult, if not impossible, to prove and 2. it's only really harmful if it exists concurrent with some form of hypocrisy (i.e. someone talking about how bad racism is while doing racist things). And in the latter case the hypocrisy is the problem more so than the virtue signalling, so there's not much point to attacking the issue from that angle.
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Goon Danton posted:Virtue signalling was basically a sociology term for the stuff the Bible rants about the Pharisees doing. If I'm not mistaken it was invented to describe people who espouse leftist views in public but vote Tory every time.
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Somfin posted:If I'm not mistaken it was invented to describe people who espouse leftist views in public but vote Tory every time. I'm pretty sure that's mixed up, where it's people who do the bare minimum like vote labor, and do nothing else politically active ever.
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The manosphere is what you get when spherical mans get together.
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They clearly hosed up by not calling it the brorb.
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Sax Solo posted:They clearly hosed up by not calling it the brorb. The man-serierb!
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Sax Solo posted:They clearly hosed up by not calling it the brorb. 
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OwlFancier posted:The manosphere is what you get when spherical mans get together. I thought that was what Alex Jones broadcasts his radio show out of: his impenetrable underground manoshpere. It sounds like a next-level mancave. The ManosphereTM. I want a manosphere 
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Donald Trump going to church is virtue signalling
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Pembroke Fuse posted:PittsburghLambic is a particularly obnoxious poster (with a turtle avatar) who spends a lot of time JAQing off in this thread. If you're not him, then you have my apologies for the confusion. And to explain what folks were jumpin' on fallenturtle for, when I asked PL what kind of speech he would define as racist (since up until that point he'd just been pleading for South Park truth-is-in-the-middle "well is it really racism to say that black people are inherently more criminal?" noncommittalism), he whined that Because that's what "racist" is, an insult, rather than an accurate description of 40% of Sargon's content. Somfin fucked around with this message at 08:22 on Jul 28, 2017 |
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So did this whole conversation occur before or after PDP made a whole video about how the wage gap is a myth because "women choose to take lower paying jobs"? He might not be Hitler but he is at best an Eichmann.
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I do not want to watch this man's content, but the title makes me think the video's an "ironic" thing
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Anti-Citizen posted:I'm pretty sure that's mixed up, where it's people who do the bare minimum like vote labor, and do nothing else politically active ever. so it was an idiotic term to make oneself feel superior to all those other stupid normie voters?
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OwlFancier posted:The manosphere is what you get when spherical mans get together. ulvir posted:so it was an idiotic term to make oneself feel superior to all those other stupid normie voters?
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toanoradian posted:I do not want to watch this man's content, but the title makes me think the video's an "ironic" thing Ironic in the sense that the 4chan Pepe squad are "ironic" fascists, yeah absolutely.
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Guavanaut posted:
Another good example was the term white knight. It used to be a great term to use against fedora tippers, now it is just thrown around when people point out sexism.
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business hammocks posted:What's an example of white knight being used in a non-sexist way? Like just in the generic sense of defending something indefensible in search of praise? The way I see it is not sexist if you use it in a "She can deal with her own problems mate" kind of way. She does not need you to swoop in and save her. Midig fucked around with this message at 14:36 on Jul 28, 2017 |
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toanoradian posted:I do not want to watch this man's content, but the title makes me think the video's an "ironic" thing It's all irony until it isn't. That line between irony and actual full-throated fascism gets crossed really easily these days. Basically irony is an intellectual dead end.
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business hammocks posted:What's an example of white knight being used in a non-sexist way? Like just in the generic sense of defending something indefensible in search of praise?
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business hammocks posted:What's an example of white knight being used in a non-sexist way? Like just in the generic sense of defending something indefensible in search of praise? That's a valid use, yeah. Like defending PewDiePie's "Kill All Jews" fiasco as not actually being racist is a good example of non-sexist white knighting.
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business hammocks posted:What's an example of white knight being used in a non-sexist way? Like just in the generic sense of defending something indefensible in search of praise?
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Terrible Opinions posted:I mean it's still kinda sexist, but the original version of white knight referred to those creepy stalker dudes women tend to acquire in MMOs. The guys who do the "nice guy" thing where they think doing unasked for favors for women will result in sex, and just generally try to impose themselves on the social group of any woman they come across. Back in the days of Star Wars Galaxies, I made a hot female Twi'lek character and some random dude just straight up gave me a full set of armor for nothing. poo poo was hilarious.
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Guavanaut posted:Does the Partido Nacional Renovador have an MRA branch, and if so is it called the Portuguese man o' sphere? Makes me think of this article I just read about the woke misogynist. http://splinternews.com/meet-the-woke-misogynist-1793859082
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Who What Now posted:That's a valid use, yeah. Like defending PewDiePie's "Kill All Jews" fiasco as not actually being racist is a good example of non-sexist white knighting. Actually my intention was to totally get in PewDiePie's pants.
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I call my balls the man-o-spheres. They're also unloved. 
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Pembroke Fuse posted:I call my balls the man-o-spheres. They're also unloved. You should always work on loving yourself before others.
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