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Adiabatic posted:And on the left you have radical requirements of the right to completely change their behaviors immediately to the left's views, with calls to fascism and racism if they don't fall in line. I personally mostly agree with the left's rhetoric but their delivery is divisive. It's hard not to call to racism when one of the major GOP planks is that they should be allowed to be openly racist against anyone browner than them, be they latino, middle eastern, or African american. Not to mention the calls to persecute Muslims and lgbt people and remove their civil rights. The truth is in the middle is bullshit when the right is nodding approvingly at literal fascism.
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Adiabatic posted:And on the left you have radical requirements of the right to completely change their behaviors immediately to the left's views, with calls to fascism and racism if they don't fall in line. I personally mostly agree with the left's rhetoric but their delivery is divisive. Uhhhhh.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...st_for_the.html Its literally about racism. And the GOP has repeatedly shown they are fully willing to pull facist poo poo to gain/hold/consolidate power. It really is about racism and facism. Nearly every state in the South, some in the North even, almost every Red State, is pulling racist style voter suppression crap. Its not just a Left talking point, I mean for god's sake, we have Steve Bannon in the White House and Jefferey Sessions, a man so racist even 1980s Alabama said 'Woah, you are way too racist'. And then we have Trump, a man who honestly skips over the dog whistles and goes straight for the good racist poo poo, plus the xenophobia and paranoid dellusions.
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But at the same time, a lot of people take "one side of things is blatantly racist" to mean "anyone who disagrees with me on any minor doctrinal issue is the same as the other side, and therefore blatantly a bigoted fascist". That's hosed up.
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Sinestro posted:But at the same time, a lot of people take "one side of things is blatantly racist" to mean "anyone who disagrees with me on any minor doctrinal issue is the same as the other side, and therefore blatantly a bigoted fascist". That's hosed up. Here's the problem: Doesn't matter. If you vote for Trump and didn't have the god damned foresight to see him for what he was when he was quite open about this poo poo when he was running, maybe you do have some bigotry issues. He didn't hide this stuff while he was campaigning, you'd have to blatantly ignore it to buy that, and then ignore every cabinet and positional pick in his administration to believe that. And that doesn't even cover the GOP's willingness to toss the poor down a flight of stairs, and re-enact 1950s Civil Rights/Women's Rights fights that should be over and done with. There is no truth in the middle with the current GOP administration. At all. Considering their willingness to fully rape any 'truth' or facts, why should there be truth in the middle? CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 00:12 on Jul 28, 2017 |
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cakesmith handyman posted:Can't they be rechromed? I get mahoosive automotive press dies rechromed at work on the regular, they hit a specified chrome thickness to within a micron or two every time. Like I said, very few people have hosed with it because you can still buy housings. IIRC the issue would be that you'd have to grind down to a certain depth so that the evenly deposited chrome would end up right - so you need a grinding wheel moving in a weird geometry, basically. And that's about the point where most people give up. It makes me want to go digging and figure out like, when aftermarket castings of SBC/etc stuff started happening to figure out what sort of market forces it would take to make it practical for rotary poo poo.
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I can honestly say that I am happy I didn't vote for him, not that it mattered.
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Congratulations for reading someone else's post I guess? I'm not exactly a Trump supporter. I'm talking more about the 'Jill Stein 2020' types and the Chapo fans from the perspective of a merely center-left Democrat. It's really worrying, especially as someone who is basically not given any options in the current atmosphere, to be in a place where both parties are in the grips of their own extremist movements.
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Sinestro posted:Congratulations for reading someone else's post I guess? I'm not exactly a Trump supporter. I didn't mean to imply you were, but I'm more addressing the claim people love to make that "Well, the GOP isn't all racist, you can't say that, you are just saying they are fascist because you disagree" Jill Stein can go gently caress herself, especially since she OPENLY said that she'd rather have Trump than Clinton, and was in Russia at the same time as the others.
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the spyder posted:1997 F-150 5.4l reporting in with 344k. The harmonic balancer finally separated a few weeks back and the AC clutch failed. The best part is $200 gets it back on the road with a tuneup. That's what I like about OBS Fords, they are cheap to fix. Mine needs some work, like a tune-up and the brakes are vibrating (maybe ABS?), but it's overall in good shape. E: To clarify, I know my 06 isn't an OBS, though I do love them and plan to own one after I get a house. I want a 90 or 91 like my grandad had. Might even get service bins on it for the hell of it.
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Sinestro posted:Congratulations for reading someone else's post I guess? I'm not exactly a Trump supporter. the DNC is not "in the grips" of extremists, unless you're talking about radical centrism without a hint of irony
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Sinestro posted:Congratulations for reading someone else's post I guess? I'm not exactly a Trump supporter. The Dems are in no way 'in the grip' of an extremist movement, unless it is to the right. They are as 'business as usual' as humanly possible, still questing to move far enough right to appease the GOP voters while wondering why they can't seem to motivate the left to show up to vote.
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Jul 28, 2017 00:43
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Vermin Supreme 2020
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Giant meteor 2020
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cursedshitbox posted:Giant meteor 2020
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Okay, to be fair, that perspective is somewhat colored by the bubble that I am stuck in and would like to get out of. They aren't in the grips of them yet, but there is certainly a building tide in that direction.
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Sinestro posted:Okay, to be fair, that perspective is somewhat colored by the bubble that I am stuck in and would like to get out of. They aren't in the grips of them yet, but there is certainly a building tide in that direction. There is a building tide to join the rational world and get things like UHC and equal rights and maybe - maybe - tax the rich as they should be, There is no extreme Democrats at all. The USA politics are so skewed right that what the rational world sees as a basic right and barely centre politics, the USA calls EXTREME LEFT WING AGENDA!!!!!!!!! Bernie himself is barely a genuine centreist There is much of the so called extremists are screaming for the rest of the Western world literally goes... umm... that's kinda resonable and we already have it?
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Sinestro posted:Okay, to be fair, that perspective is somewhat colored by the bubble that I am stuck in and would like to get out of. They aren't in the grips of them yet, but there is certainly a building tide in that direction. I bet you're actively terrified of Sanders' revolutionary leftist positions like 'maybe we shouldn't actively push the poor deeper into poverty to extract gains for the investor class' and 'hey, wouldn't it be nice if our healtcare industry was more focused on results than extracting profit from death and suffering'.
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cursedshitbox posted:Giant meteor 2020
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Sinestro posted:Okay, to be fair, that perspective is somewhat colored by the bubble that I am stuck in and would like to get out of. They aren't in the grips of them yet, but there is certainly a building tide in that direction. What is the big fear of an extreme left government? I know what the right would do and constantly tries to do, but besides "WOAH THE EXTREME LEFT" I haven't gotten an idea of what exactly is wrong with it. I don't mean to be snarky either, the only thing that seems to say 'EXTREME LEFT' are the overweight dudes in clapped-out 88 Rangers with the 'I don't believe the LIEberal media' bumper sticker slapped crookedly on, right underneath their business vehicle magnet. My bubble is that I'm a cis-white male who is married, owns my home and by all accounts would be assumed to be a Trump supporter if you asked one that I knew who I voted for. The place I live is red, but not redneck red, rich rear end in a top hat red. The right just can't stop thinking about cocks. What does the left do that is in that same vein?
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The problem is I don't want my healthcare in the hands of mitch mcconnell, the freedom caucus, paul ryan, donald trump et al. I really don't know how you could implement it in this country and keep it safe from the right. Its not this simple thing the rest of the world has that we can have should the democrats just pass a bill. Hell they had their chance and all they did was feed people to the wolves with that mandate. You cant make other people change their minds when its so easy to surround yourself with only one point of view. This applies to the left as well, especially here, on this forum. And for the record, I am center left. And had over 10% of my income, not including premiums, go to healthcare this year.
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What does the left do that pisses the right off? Try to take away guns, allow abortion, try to deny religion, increase taxes, incite racial tensions with police, come on do yall really live in a bubble where you don't hear this poo poo parroted 24/7. It doesn't matter if you view these causes as just, but it does piss people off enough to be single issue voters.
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Yeah but if you are a single-issue voter then that's on you, poo poo is way more complicated than 'allow abortions'.
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My point is, for a lot of people its not. My ultra religious cult following in laws voted for trump for that reason alone. The biblical justifications were kinda hilarious.
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rdb posted:The problem is I don't want my healthcare in the hands of mitch mcconnell, the freedom caucus, paul ryan, donald trump et al. I really don't know how you could implement it in this country and keep it safe from the right. Its not this simple thing the rest of the world has that we can have should the democrats just pass a bill. Hell they had their chance and all they did was feed people to the wolves with that mandate. Australia has a similar situation in fact in that after Whitlam (a genuine socialist) put in UHC aka Medibank, the conservative cunts removed it a year later. In 1984 Hawke / Keating reinstated it and got it right. What happened after that is Hawke and Keating won the debate by explaining why we should pay up 2% on our wages to do a proper UHC - and won it in such a way that when the conservative cunts that would love to destroy UHC even BREATHE about touching Medicare they get utterly howled down with cricket bats by even the people that voted in the conservative cunts - to the point where when arch oval office Howard(*) (who was one of the main people who got rid of UHC first time around) got full Parlimentary control in 2004 (Simple majority to pass any legislation in both houses) he didnt dare touch it. It's simply become a sacred cow - you touch our UHC, you get loving destroyed. And I have to point out that UHC first AND second time around was done in a minority Senate where the conservative cunts could block it - and did. Whitlam had the balls to go to an election on the issue, Hawke found enough votes in the crossbench Basically you need Democrats with loving balls - and undeniably that Democrat needs to white and probably male because if how sexist and racist those right wing scum are - and to do it properly in such a way it becomes a sacred "You touch our healthcare you loving die" situation. It's not like doing it properly is that hard either, just copy any of 33 other countries with UHC. Now wether you have Democrats with balls.... yeah well that's a problem.Cant help you on that one. (*) I might point out Howard tried to bring in a employment situation more along the lines of the US, they got nuked at the next election. The mere mention of the word Workchoices is enough to have any politcan from the right scurrying to deny they want anything to do with it.
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Sinestro posted:Congratulations for reading someone else's post I guess? I'm not exactly a Trump supporter. Chapo Trap House kicks rear end 
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rdb posted:My point is, for a lot of people its not. My ultra religious cult following in laws voted for trump for that reason alone. The biblical justifications were kinda hilarious. Does Trump even go to church? That was my attempt to find a silver lining after the election. CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:
Yeah well let me know when you find one 'cause I don't think there is any. Is it still a rumor that the facebook dude is going to run for president because lmao
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KakerMix posted:Does Trump even go to church? That was my attempt to find a silver lining after the election. Yes. But that doesn't mean he follows that long haired homeless Palestinian that gave away free healthcare. Far, far from it.
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Yes. But that doesn't mean he follows that long haired homeless Palestinian that gave away free healthcare. Far, far from it.  Evangelicals will support anyone that gets them closer to a theocracy.
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rdb posted:Also they should be discounting the crap out of the 2017s since 2018 is a redesign. Its one of those vehicles where you should be paying 10k off sticker at least.
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ilkhan posted:I drive a Mustang. And before that it was a different mustang. Big truck feels big to me. I'll get used to it, though. You need my bricknose. CommieGIR posted:
ahaha this rules. healthcare? fwiw Ukraine even has universal healthcare. yep.
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CommieGIR posted:Uhhhhh.... Do you really think 100% of the people who voted for Trump are part of the Southern Strategy and are racists? You're doing the exact thing I said the left was doing. Don't villify the other side carte-blanche.
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Adiabatic posted:Do you really think 100% of the people who voted for Trump are part of the Southern Strategy and are racists? You're doing the exact thing I said the left was doing. If you vote for a man who openly flaunted racist credentials, courted racists during the campaign, and endorsed racist and xenophobic ideals, You don't exactly get to roll in the mud and claim you are squeaky clean. Empowering them is just a bad as being one. Regardless of whether or not the voter supports racist ideals, they voted for someone who endorses and supports racists. I'm sure not every Confederate hated black people, they still fought tooth and nail for a white supremacist movement. There was no mystery to what Trump endeavored to do, or what sort of ideals he supported on the campaign trail. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 02:44 on Jul 28, 2017 |
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Adiabatic posted:Do you really think 100% of the people who voted for Trump are part of the Southern Strategy and are racists? You're doing the exact thing I said the left was doing. 100%? Probably not. Did going from dogwhistle to outright 'screw those browns' hurt Trump's support in the slightest? Nope. Continuing to support racists when they are being openly and unabashedly racist really hurts the 'but I'm one of the good ones!' argument.
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cursedshitbox posted:This conversation might be a small part of why I'd like to try Ukraine on for size. Fly back an Antonov and pick me up with all my cars. We filed all the paperwork for my wife's Passport and are working on German work visa's right now.
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CommieGIR posted:Fly back an Antonov and pick me up with all my cars. There's only one. another is mothballed in a museum afaik. and I got to stand by one of its progressive D18-T engines. holy oh gently caress. gently caress yea on Germany. It's somewhere we want to spend some serious time.
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cursedshitbox posted:There's only one. another is mothballed in a museum afaik. and I got to stand by one of its progressive D18-T engines. holy oh gently caress. gently caress yea on Germany. It's somewhere we want to spend some serious time. It also means I might be able to finish school now, since affordable schooling will be within reach.
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That is my goal too. Fast-track the language for a year then pound some soviet engineering university knowledge into my thick rear end skull.
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