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The Vosgian Beast posted:you know I never really understood the consensus that the first Matrix film was amazing and then the rest were horrible It's the Star Wars thing. The first film was a watershed. It would be difficult to overestimate the cultural impact The Matrix had.
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Anyone watch Ozark on Netflix? I'm only two episodes in and it's a lot darker than I was expecting. Still has funny bits, but does it ever lighten up (and is it worth finishing)? I just finished season 1 of Westworld so I'm not looking for something entirely soul killing.
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Jul 28, 2017 20:11
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I wouldn't compare it to Star Wars. All 3 of the original SW films are close to equally well loved and most people regard them as a package deal, whereas I think the first Matrix was the only one that seemed to stick with people.
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Jul 28, 2017 20:13
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Basebf555 posted:The original is just tighter, it's a well-oiled machine. The sequels are bloated in parts, which is very noticeable because of how perfectly paced the original is. Yeah it really comes down to the pacing. I'm willing to entertain the possibility that the sequels have something clever or interesting to say, but they meander horribly and outside of a few good setpieces the action just gets repetitive and tiring.
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Jul 28, 2017 20:16
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:It's the Star Wars thing. The first film was a watershed. It would be difficult to overestimate the cultural impact The Matrix had. Yeah, it's one of those films that in retrospect is kinda goofy and full of cliches nowadays, but only because it was so influential it created half the cliches. From bullet time to red-pill/blue-pill, at the time it was just so goddamn cool. The sequels broke a lot of that magic by spending far too much time doubling down on the goofy poo poo and being all around bloated.
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Jul 28, 2017 20:20
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Is Lair of the White Worm (1988) worth watching? Just popped up in my twitter feed, and I remember hearing about it, but never actually watching it.
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Jul 28, 2017 20:27
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mike12345 posted:Is Lair of the White Worm (1988) worth watching? Just popped up in my twitter feed, and I remember hearing about it, but never actually watching it. Definitely yes. It's pretty ridiculous but in a good way. Great cast too. It's very well liked over in the horror thread.
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Jul 28, 2017 20:29
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mike12345 posted:Is Lair of the White Worm (1988) worth watching? Just popped up in my twitter feed, and I remember hearing about it, but never actually watching it. Yeah it's hilarious and good. It has young Hugh Grant and young Peter Capaldi and more phallic symbols than you can shake a penis at.
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Jul 28, 2017 20:31
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veni veni veni posted:I wouldn't compare it to Star Wars. All 3 of the original SW films are close to equally well loved and most people regard them as a package deal, whereas I think the first Matrix was the only one that seemed to stick with people. I think a lot of the critical love for Empire and Jedi to a greater extent was a reappraisal of what was then the whole series, at the time of the original Star Wars there was an absolutely immense sea change in the way films were marketed (and especially merchandised). The appreciation for the trilogy came later, not that this will necessarily happen with The Matrix.
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Jul 28, 2017 20:33
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Have the Wackowskis made any public statements recently about where they are on the idea of doing another Matrix film? I know Keanu has said he'd do it(gently caress it they'll figure out a way to bring Neo back), but he was very clear that he'd only consider it if the Wackowskis are involved.
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Jul 28, 2017 20:38
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Basebf555 posted:Have the Wackowskis made any public statements recently about where they are on the idea of doing another Matrix film? I know Keanu has said he'd do it(gently caress it they'll figure out a way to bring Neo back), but he was very clear that he'd only consider it if the Wackowskis are involved. Old Man Neo
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Jul 28, 2017 20:42
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Rough Lobster posted:Anyone watch Ozark on Netflix? I'm only two episodes in and it's a lot darker than I was expecting. Still has funny bits, but does it ever lighten up (and is it worth finishing)? It actually pretty much just keeps getting better, a lot better from where it is at episode 2.
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Jul 28, 2017 20:50
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mike12345 posted:Is Lair of the White Worm (1988) worth watching? Just popped up in my twitter feed, and I remember hearing about it, but never actually watching it. Hell yeah
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Jul 28, 2017 21:05
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Weird coincidence re: original Funny Games. 3 of the 4 principal actors are dead.
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Jul 28, 2017 23:38
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:It's the Star Wars thing. The first film was a watershed. It would be difficult to overestimate the cultural impact The Matrix had.
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Rough Lobster posted:The only thing I like about the second and third Matrix movies is Monica Belucci, the fight scene with medieval weapons, and when Neo flies so reality-bendingly fast he's carrying cars and poo poo in his wake. That and the Tea House fight are my favorite moments, even though Keanu at the time looks comically slow against an actual martial artist. I loved the sequels in high school, but they really pale in comparison to the first one. Having a character struggle with godhood could have been so much more than it was. The cinematography in the first one also seems much, much better than the sequels. mike12345 posted:Is Lair of the White Worm (1988) worth watching? Just popped up in my twitter feed, and I remember hearing about it, but never actually watching it. Absolutely. The book is terrible because Stoker wrote it after having a stroke. The movie is great though.
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Jul 29, 2017 00:38
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coyo7e posted:Except most of the star wars movies after the first were pretty good. The contention is that all the Matrix films are basically the same but only the first is considered good. I sort of agree but the thing you have to consider is the way The Matrix 1 was recieved when it was released.
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Jul 29, 2017 01:47
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MeatwadIsGod posted:Absolutely. The book is terrible because Stoker wrote it after having a stroke. The movie is great though. Man, could you imagine being the newspaper guy having to type-up that article?
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Jul 29, 2017 04:09
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Rough Lobster posted:Anyone watch Ozark on Netflix? I'm only two episodes in and it's a lot darker than I was expecting. Still has funny bits, but does it ever lighten up (and is it worth finishing)? No it gets darker. Not a comedy because Bateman has to do his straight man shtick solo
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Jul 29, 2017 06:32
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I definitely remember my feelings about the Matrix sequels at the time basically boiled down to that I thought the 2nd movie was okay, but it needed a strong 3rd movie to make it worthwhile. But then the 3rd movie was such a massive piece of poo poo, that it retroactively made the 2nd movie terrible. I think one thing you miss if your first experience with the movies is a marathon is the time factor. It's something that comes up a lot with TV shows I know, that if you binge through a TV show sometimes it's tough to figure out why a season or series finale is really poorly received. When you binge watch, you wait a couple hours for a payoff, and it doesn't work, it's pretty easy to shrug off. If you watch it as the show airs, that could be months or years that you've been waiting. I think if you want to get at the heart of the problems with the sequels your matrix movie marathon should consist of watching the first one 2-3 times, then the second, maybe the second one again, and then the third.
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Jul 29, 2017 07:13
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Simplex posted:I think if you want to get at the heart of the problems with the sequels your matrix movie marathon should consist of watching the first one 2-3 times, then the second, maybe the second one again, and then the third. I kind of love this idea actually.
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Jul 29, 2017 14:42
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Simplex posted:I definitely remember my feelings about the Matrix sequels at the time basically boiled down to that I thought the 2nd movie was okay, but it needed a strong 3rd movie to make it worthwhile. But then the 3rd movie was such a massive piece of poo poo, that it retroactively made the 2nd movie terrible. That makes a lot of sense actually
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Jul 29, 2017 14:55
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With the matrix movies I always said if the sequels were about half as good as the first one they would be fine. And they were about half as good as the first one. The cgi in the second movie was hilariously bad though.
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Field Mousepad posted:With the matrix movies I always said if the sequels were about half as good as the first one they would be fine. And they were about half as good as the first one. It's a similar situation so the Star Wars prequels, where they really should be given credit for moving the industry forward, but that the industry then left them behind to the point that they now look very dated. Also like the Star Wars prequels, not everything is as dated as the stuff that sticks out the most, people still watch the highway chase and consider it to be one of the best action scenes ever filmed. It's the kind of thing that's happened again and again in the world of special effects. Techniques are developed and take major leaps forward, and the people who make those leaps aren't necessarily the same ones who figure out how to best integrate those techniques seamlessly into a film.
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Jul 29, 2017 15:35
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Man Ozark was great, but I was expecting it to be 13 episodes so when episode 10 was done I was a bit disappointed.
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Jul 29, 2017 21:10
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:The contention is that all the Matrix films are basically the same but only the first is considered good. I sort of agree but the thing you have to consider is the way The Matrix 1 was recieved when it was released.
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Jul 29, 2017 23:00
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DeimosRising posted:What does pseudophilosophical mean Roughly the same thing as pseudo-intellectual. I enjoyed the goofy Philosophy 101 element of The Matrix until I took a real philosophy class and had to sit next to some loving goon who tried to tie everything back to The Matrix. I hated him, and I spent a couple years hating the movie by association.
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Jul 29, 2017 23:19
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At least you didn't have a philosophy course with a professor who wrote a book about the philosophy of the Matrix.
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Catching up on season 2 of fear the walking dead and this show is so truly horrendous I get angry watching it, yet I keep watching it.
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I liked Ozark, the performances were all very good at the least and a lot of the side characters are given real depth. Bateman's character is fun to watch weasel his way out of increasingly dire circumstances, and the show gives a fair shake to the locals in Ozark by portraying many of them as clever, sensible people well aware of their poor situations and not about to be hoodwinked by any outsider. There are problems in the show that I won't discuss because I think even obliquely discussing them would spoil too much. The cinematography is beautiful, too. A solid show.
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Gann Jerrod posted:At least you didn't have a philosophy course with a professor who wrote a book about the philosophy of the Matrix. I just want you to know that you have my sympathies.
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Filthy Hans posted:I liked Ozark, the performances were all very good at the least and a lot of the side characters are given real depth. Bateman's character is fun to watch weasel his way out of increasingly dire circumstances, and the show gives a fair shake to the locals in Ozark by portraying many of them as clever, sensible people well aware of their poor situations and not about to be hoodwinked by any outsider. There are problems in the show that I won't discuss because I think even obliquely discussing them would spoil too much. The cinematography is beautiful, too. A solid show. I finished it last night, other than some problems with the finale it was great through and through and I suspect a second season will be very good, assuming it gets one (and I think it will, buzz has been good).
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Jul 30, 2017 00:50
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The Matrix is okay as a "baby's first allegory of the cave" movie but The Truman Show is probably better And a better movie
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Jul 30, 2017 03:18
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Speaking of comparing The Matrix to other films, is Dark City streaming anywhere?
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LogisticEarth posted:Speaking of comparing The Matrix to other films, is Dark City streaming anywhere? It's on Hulu last I checked.
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Gann Jerrod posted:At least you didn't have a philosophy course with a professor who wrote a book about the philosophy of the Matrix. I had a professor in college who taught awesome philosophy of film courses that covered old romantic comedies like Bringing Up Baby, and for the first week of the class I couldn't place it but knew I'd seen him before. He was featured in one of the special feature segments for the Ultimate Matrix edition 
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MeatwadIsGod posted:I had a professor in college who taught awesome philosophy of film courses that covered old romantic comedies like Bringing Up Baby, and for the first week of the class I couldn't place it but knew I'd seen him before. He was featured in one of the special feature segments for the Ultimate Matrix edition By any chance was it Stanley Cavell?
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mike12345 posted:Is Lair of the White Worm (1988) worth watching? Just popped up in my twitter feed, and I remember hearing about it, but never actually watching it. Yes it's simply amazing.
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I still have the original DVD release of The Matrix and I'm hanging on to it until it's consumed in the fiery inferno of the expanding
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