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OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013


:yeah:

Seriously nazis you're really selling me on all this social justice stuff by telling me it's also communist.

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Maluco Marinero
Jan 18, 2001

Damn that's a
fine elephant.
Is Communism in any way an effective boogeyman in modern American politics? Obviously the tail of the 20th century was defined by Communism vs Democratic Capitalism, but these days does anyone actually care this much about Communism as a threat to their way of life?

Jonas Albrecht
Jun 7, 2012


Maluco Marinero posted:

Is Communism in any way an effective boogeyman in modern American politics? Obviously the tail of the 20th century was defined by Communism vs Democratic Capitalism, but these days does anyone actually care this much about Communism as a threat to their way of life?

Not quite in the same way. The younger generations are embracing it, but capitalism still has a huge bunch of fans across the political spectrum. Right now socialism is bearing the brunt of abuse from those fans, because they don't see communism as a looming threat.



Yet.

Archer666
Dec 27, 2008

Lenin led the revolution because the Tsar misgendered her

edit: holy poo poo watching the vid the guy is a special kind of jackass. Misunderstanding the difference between gender and sex, he uses it to scaremonger and how all of this is a smoke screen for COMMUNISM!

Archer666 fucked around with this message at 11:55 on Jul 31, 2017

SHY NUDIST GRRL
Feb 15, 2011

Communism will help more white people than anyone else. Any equal measures unfairly provide less to minority populations just because there's less of them. Democracy is truly the tyranny of the mob.

45% of young people think capitalism is a failed system. I forget where the poll broke off the ages

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

There are more active/dues-paying members of DSA than there are registered users of The_Donald. Reactos aren't really poo poo in terms of numbers.

Jonas Albrecht
Jun 7, 2012


business hammocks posted:

There are more active/dues-paying members of DSA than there are registered users of The_Donald. Reactos aren't really poo poo in terms of numbers.

This makes me happy.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I am super into full genderqueer luxury space communism.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Whoops. I had bad information in how many The_Donald users there are. Somebody posted a 25,000 figure in the Trump thread. Maybe that excludes bots or inactive accounts? Or I just misunderstood.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Archer666 posted:

edit: holy poo poo watching the vid the guy is a special kind of jackass. Misunderstanding the difference between gender and sex, he uses it to scaremonger and how all of this is a smoke screen for COMMUNISM!
Just got to the bit where he says capitalism means competition and meritocracy means the best people rise to the top, and communists hate both. He's right on the last bit, but he should look up meanings of words.

Symbolic Butt
Mar 22, 2009

(_!_)
Buglord

the "Computing Forever" kills me

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
I like the bit where he implies that the UK Conservative Party is part of some utopian Marxist plot.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Guavanaut posted:

I like the bit where he implies that the UK Conservative Party is part of some utopian Marxist plot.

In fairness they did apparently try quite hard to ensure Corbyn did well in the election.

Harrow
Jun 30, 2012

This isn't YouTube, but I want someone to get grandpa off the internet:

https://twitter.com/WilliamShatner/status/891859995628785664

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Harrow posted:

This isn't YouTube, but I want someone to get grandpa off the internet:

https://twitter.com/WilliamShatner/status/891859995628785664

"By the way I hate total fags like George Takei and laughed about the Chicago Seven because of Dr. Spock like on my show."

SunAndSpring
Dec 4, 2013

I always ask people on 4chan how feminism and racial diversity in video games or movies is promoting Marxism because none of it demands the seizing of the means of production and seems more like a way to just make extra money by selling more poo poo to women or other races than white people, and have never gotten a coherent answer. It's either "uh it's just a Jewish trick" or some strange rambling about how communism is about making everyone the same but people are different so it doesn't work (because Marx clearly was not smart enough to understand that some people are just better workers and the real question was making those who were better off help those who were less well off)

SunAndSpring fucked around with this message at 17:00 on Jul 31, 2017

fallenturtle
Feb 28, 2003
paintedblue.net

Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:

We are all guilty of thought crimes just based on our gender

The use of the term misogyny might be hyperbolic in this context, since it means to hate women, but kind of like the whole "everyone is racist" concept, while we may not feel conscious dislike for a gender or a race, as products of our society we have ingrained in our head certain biases about the behaviors of the other gender (and also our own). One of the most dangerous for example is the idea that when she says, "no" its just part of the "game" and she really means "yes" and wants you to get moving forward.

fallenturtle fucked around with this message at 17:22 on Jul 31, 2017

fallenturtle
Feb 28, 2003
paintedblue.net

murphyslaw posted:

You'd hope, but I've seen some clear indications from Sargon et al that we're basically all free-thinking beings that are independent of cultural influences. I recall from a Destiny debate, I think it was, where he seemed to open up to the idea that culture might have some influence but then circled back to it all boiling down to people making poor decisions with culture having a minimal role in shaping how we act.

Something ironic about thinking there's no cultural influence while making YT videos that appear to be designed to influence.

fallenturtle
Feb 28, 2003
paintedblue.net

Goon Danton posted:

No, see, praexeology is logically prior to the scientific method. The latter relies on the former, so if they disagree, it is science that is wrong. This is an actual argument made by Ludwig von Mises, discoverer and founder of the Church of Austrian Science.


Any system that involves a judgment of "good or bad" will necessarily rely on some kind of blind-faith judgment of what those terms mean, since there aren't really "morality particles" for us to observe and learn about. A lot of people run into the problem of not really examining what their judgments stem from, but a lot of conservatives run into the extra problem of outright lying about it.

Morality is a wave. :colbert:

fallenturtle
Feb 28, 2003
paintedblue.net

Maluco Marinero posted:

Is Communism in any way an effective boogeyman in modern American politics? Obviously the tail of the 20th century was defined by Communism vs Democratic Capitalism, but these days does anyone actually care this much about Communism as a threat to their way of life?

I think it still is to the right. I spend a lot of the time on the Sean Hannity forums and there are still a bunch who think anyone to the left of Reagan is a secret liberal-Democrat-progressive-socialist-communist-fascist (which they think is a single ideology).

Bunni-kat
May 25, 2010

Service Desk B-b-bunny...
How can-ca-caaaaan I
help-p-p-p you?
Don't quad post you troglodyte.

fallenturtle
Feb 28, 2003
paintedblue.net

Harrow posted:

This isn't YouTube, but I want someone to get grandpa off the internet:

https://twitter.com/WilliamShatner/status/891859995628785664

Bill, no! :cry:

forums posted:

Please combine your responses into a single quote instead of posting multiple times. That makes it nicer for people to read. I wasn't sure if you knew that.
Sure, sorry about that, no problem.

fallenturtle fucked around with this message at 17:56 on Jul 31, 2017

Rumda
Nov 4, 2009

Moth Lesbian Comrade

You can copy multiple quotes into a single post you know

Pembroke Fuse
Dec 29, 2008

fallenturtle posted:

I think it still is to the right. I spend a lot of the time on the Sean Hannity forums and there are still a bunch who think anyone to the left of Reagan is a secret liberal-Democrat-progressive-socialist-muslim-communist-fascist (which they think is a single ideology).

FTFY. :p


Does Bill think he's a social reformer because he almost had an interracial kiss that one time?

Bunni-kat
May 25, 2010

Service Desk B-b-bunny...
How can-ca-caaaaan I
help-p-p-p you?

Rumda posted:

You can copy multiple quotes into a single post you know

You don't even have to copy them! Just scroll down in the reply window and hit quote on the other posts you want to talk about!

Deified Data
Nov 3, 2015


Fun Shoe

Harrow posted:

This isn't YouTube, but I want someone to get grandpa off the internet:

https://twitter.com/WilliamShatner/status/891859995628785664

Well I guess I learned something new about the Shat. I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

He got some lady fired from a website because she criticized him for telling Kate Mulgrew that "a woman's place is in the fridge" at some Q&A panel at a Star Trek convention. There's a reason nobody has ever liked him.

Carecat
Apr 27, 2004

Buglord
We have George Takei as counterbalance.

Lemniscate Blue
Apr 21, 2006

Here we go again.

Carecat posted:

We have George Takei as counterbalance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO-GlOBh6rU

Bunni-kat
May 25, 2010

Service Desk B-b-bunny...
How can-ca-caaaaan I
help-p-p-p you?

business hammocks posted:

He got some lady fired from a website because she criticized him for telling Kate Mulgrew that "a woman's place is in the fridge" at some Q&A panel at a Star Trek convention. There's a reason nobody has ever liked him.

I never knew about that. Christ. What an rear end in a top hat.

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

I forget if someone mentioned it in this thread, but aren't most of George Takei's tweets and Facebook posts written by other people?

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


yeah which i don't really get the point of. most of the reason they'd be funny is he's the one writing them.

Deified Data
Nov 3, 2015


Fun Shoe

business hammocks posted:

"a woman's place is in the fridge"

I like to think we all belong in the fridge

Reveilled
Apr 19, 2007

Take up your rifles

Groovelord Neato posted:

yeah which i don't really get the point of. most of the reason they'd be funny is he's the one writing them.

George Takei is an actor, his job is saying stuff he didn't write. His latest role is as the voice you hear in your head when you read a tweet labelled "George Takei".

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Deified Data posted:

I like to think we all belong in the fridge

The context was a woman in the audience saying that she looked up to Captain Janeway and Kate Mulgrew saying "a woman's place is on the bridge." Just so you know how lovely he is. Maybe Dahmer lovely, depending on how you take it?

fallenturtle
Feb 28, 2003
paintedblue.net

Symbolic Butt posted:

the "Computing Forever" kills me

I shrugged it off initially having not seen any of his videos as just being a handle for a channel that has gone in another direction (Like how LGR isn't all game reviews or lazy)... but then I saw his opening title where it says "Computing Forever with Dave Cullen", as if its a show about Computing with your host, Dave Cullen... well that's just silly.

fallenturtle fucked around with this message at 03:19 on Aug 1, 2017

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

fallenturtle posted:

I shrugged it off initially having not seen any of his videos as just being a handle for a channel that has gone in another direction (Like how LGR isn't all game reviews or lazy)... but then I saw his opening title where it says "Computer Forever with Dave Cullen", as if its a show about Computing with your host, Dave Cullen... well that's just silly.

"Today we're going to talk about the desktops running in the computer lab during Columbine and we'll test what different calibers can do to the tower casing."

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


wonder if shatner was making a ref to the nerd concept of "fridging" female characters...

Lightning Lord
Feb 21, 2013

$200 a day, plus expenses

I used to defend Shatner against accusations that he was a bad actor, etc. I'm still gonna watch TOS but hell if I do that again

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rkajdi
Sep 11, 2001

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Groovelord Neato posted:

wonder if shatner was making a ref to the nerd concept of "fridging" female characters...

Considering we're talking nerd stuff, it seems almost certain. At first glance, I was thinking it was a women in the kitchen thing, but somehow he manages to say something much worse.

Lightning Lord posted:

I used to defend Shatner against accusations that he was a bad actor, etc. I'm still gonna watch TOS but hell if I do that again

We're still good as long as Avery Brooks doesn't go off the tracks.

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