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Festus The Fetus posted:Hey you assholes did Euron have magic ship abilities or not? Just answer my goddamn question. Yes. When he was drowned and born again (harder and stronger) he also gained the ability to fold ocean space and teleport his fleet to the other side of Westeros
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Tiptoes posted:Honestly Tyrion's plan wasn't so bad. It's just that his enemies knew every single detail of that plan, every conspirator involved, and had a magic teleporting fleet that could ambush them at the worst parts of their plot. It also doesn't help that they are completely ignorant of their enemies' troop movements at all times despite having an official Spymaster on the payroll. Even if they don't want to risk Dany doing low flying attacks the vision alone should be worth it. It would be hard to sneak upon a fleet that has dragon patrols. If we want to get really nerdy they should train the dragons to drop fire bombs from high above. It's not like her presence is desperately needed on Dragonstone either way.
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Tiptoes posted:It also doesn't help that they are completely ignorant of their enemies' troop movements at all times despite having an official Spymaster on the payroll. LMAO good point. Maaaybe they'll do something with this and the setup in the previous episode and Dany will accuse Varys of intentionally misleading her? That'd be a fast turnaround for treachery though. Probably writers just didn't think about it. The Bee posted:Correct me if I'm wrong, but has Dany ever won a military victory through superior strategy? I'm remembering back from earlier seasons, but her plan seems to be as follows; Absolutely not, and the only strategy she ever had was Ser Barristan's. Dany's strategy is "I should be queen of Westeros because my dad was a Targ" and that's all there is to it. She's smart enough to deride her brother for believing people were singing tales of him returning, but she's somehow still naive enough to think she'll be queen of everything just because like, she deserves it. And nobody else deserves it for the same reasons, no way. I used to love her but man she's driving me crazy. Festus The Fetus posted:Hey you assholes did Euron have magic ship abilities or not? Just answer my goddamn question. I didn't respond because I'm the one who said it in the first place and my memory is shaky. It may be just implied or maybe I'm mis-remembering. His crew being who they are in the books though, nobody would really be able to say if he did such a thing. And he does boast of sailing faster than anybody IIRC. Hopefully somebody else more of a book nerd can comment.
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Thanks for trying and I can't find my own first quote, I won't fault you, Though I think the other guy who suggested it as a TV trick is right (wafflecopper you magnificent bastard). I still enjoy this show and while you are all right that the storyline has been simplified that's due to the showrunners. Even if you hate GRRM (GURM as I think of him) he writes good dialogue and tells a good story, stealing the world from history is actually brilliant and at least requires research. Festus The Fetus fucked around with this message at 09:02 on Jul 31, 2017 |
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Jul 31, 2017 08:52
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Dany's wooden performance of "it's my destiny to be queen etc." being supplanted by Davos cliff notes of Jon's accomplishments despite no birthright was neat, almost spilling the beans on his rez was funny too. Also they were being real petty and I'm glad they discussed how illogical it was to ask for fealty and trust of random strangers, at least Jon got his glass, and circumstances kind of force them to ally now. Not that it mattes, the real fun characters are to the south.
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Jul 31, 2017 08:53
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dont even fink about it posted:I guess if you're dumb or not paying attention, sure. Why not enlighten us to it's true meaning before we see her next time, so your clever understanding of the scene can be held up for all? There's like 100 meanings you can get from it, but I guess you know the specific one
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Jul 31, 2017 08:57
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One nitpick I have is that I have is I wish they'd address Davos not knowing about dragonglass mine. I'm fine with him not knowing about it, it wasn't his area of expertise, but I could use a line.
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Jul 31, 2017 08:58
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Lycus posted:One nitpick I have is that I have is I wish they'd address Davos not knowing about dragonglass mine. I'm fine with him not knowing about it, it wasn't his area of expertise, but I could use a line. Apparently it's of no use to anyone in "modern" Westeros. I'm more annoyed that Dany has dragons and fire immunity but can't handle the idea of zombies, that's way too out there. Continues to be the worst character on the show in new exciting ways every week. Name Change fucked around with this message at 09:01 on Jul 31, 2017 |
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Jul 31, 2017 08:59
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You know as wrong as Melessandra has been about everything she'll probably die in Slaver's Bay and Vary's will become an immortal
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dont even fink about it posted:Apparently it's of no use to anyone in "modern" Westeros. Eh, they already set that up with the world building. Everyone acknowledges that the Targaryens had dragons, but the White Walkers are fables.
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Jul 31, 2017 09:04
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Disconnecticus posted:The necessity of moving the players around on the board and having all the big battles as fast as possible makes it feel like a Cliff Notes version of something that should have taken four more seasons, being moved along wherever necessary by the power of unstoppable overacting. Yeah. No idea why they felt the need to rush the ending. Why not milk the cash cow for a few more seasons?
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Jul 31, 2017 09:08
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FuriousxGeorge posted:Yeah. No idea why they felt the need to rush the ending. Why not milk the cash cow for a few more seasons? They're already looking for a spin-off when it really feels like there WAS material here for 30 episodes, not 14.
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Jul 31, 2017 09:09
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Nobody seen the white walkers in 1000 years but the dragon skelatons are sitting around for anyone to look at
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Jul 31, 2017 09:24
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Takes No Damage posted:*Pirate Ex Machina Not having read the books or anything, I saw it as some kind of classic tragedy where a secret love spirals out of control because of all the lies they told to keep it together. I felt like they really did love each other, and Shae was devastated when Tyrion did his whole "I never loved you" routine. Of course, he only did that so she would run away from King's Landing because he thought that was the only way to keep her alive. Following the betrayal, Shae went back into survival mode and ended up with Tywin for protection and revenge. Unfortunately, this put her in a spot where Tyrion had (and wanted) to kill her when he was on his way to kill his dad. The perfect romance ended with both experiencing painful betrayal and in a situation where one of them literally had to kill the other because the web of lies that kept them together got too heavy.
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Jul 31, 2017 09:26
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If Grey Worm starves to death at Casterly Rock, is Davos gonna swoop in on Missandei?
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Jul 31, 2017 09:41
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Grey Worm is showing up at the last battle of the season out of nowhere and saving the day.
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Jul 31, 2017 09:51
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Euron is the Ramsey mistake all over again. They needed a BAD BAD GUY to move the plot forward. This story isn't really supposed to be about that. Villains like Cersei or Tywin who you find yourself rooting for despite their loathsomeness are what made this show great. The difference between good and evil for people like Cersei in this story is, "Will this help my family/tribe or hurt it?" and nothing else. That makes for compelling rivalries and approachable heroes and villains because this is how, despite how everyone denies it, people really act in real life. Pure sadistic evil makes for cartoonish villains you can see on every show on TV.
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Jul 31, 2017 09:55
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Still feels to me like someone in Dany's camp is snitching to Kings Landing.
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Jul 31, 2017 10:04
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C2C - 2.0 posted:Still feels to me like someone in Dany's camp is snitching to Kings Landing. Who has any motive to? FuriousxGeorge fucked around with this message at 11:04 on Jul 31, 2017 |
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Jul 31, 2017 10:06
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FuriousxGeorge posted:Euron is the Ramsey mistake all over again. They needed a BAD BAD GUY to move the plot forward. This story isn't really supposed to be about that. Villains like Cersei or Tywin who you find yourself rooting for despite their loathsomeness are what made this show great. I still wish he was the frightening dread pirate with ancient magic artifacts instead of the blustering rear end in a top hat. Even with his successes, he feels like a guy who should be in charge of a biker gang, not the most feared naval mind of the last 100 years.
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Jul 31, 2017 10:10
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FuriousxGeorge posted:Who has any motive too? He's still sore about being locked in that dungeon for the poo poo his brother did. To add insult to injury, his oval office of a brother actually got off scott free!
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Jul 31, 2017 10:12
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FuriousxGeorge posted:Who has any motive too? I haven't really thought about it but goddamn it's as if Cersei were sitting right in that room at Dragonstone when Dany's plans were laid.
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Jul 31, 2017 10:39
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FuriousxGeorge posted:Euron is the Ramsey mistake all over again. They needed a BAD BAD GUY to move the plot forward. This story isn't really supposed to be about that. Villains like Cersei or Tywin who you find yourself rooting for despite their loathsomeness are what made this show great. But the showrunners were backed into a corner where the Lannister side ended last season in a really weak position. Cersei is the supervillain of the show and so the Lannister side needed to become a lot more dangerous. Combining the Lannisters and Euron Greyjoy felt like a natural way to simplify some of the show's plots into one conflict. But then Euron's threat status gets elevated a little too much and he goes from a minor villain of one of the show's fringier C-plots to a player capable of almost single-handedly decimating Dany's invasion force. That execution just hasn't felt right at all but I can see what the writers are going for.
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C2C - 2.0 posted:I haven't really thought about it but goddamn it's as if Cersei were sitting right in that room at Dragonstone when Dany's plans were laid. The only one with the means is Varys, and the only long game play I see there is positioning Jon to take over.
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Lycus posted:If Grey Worm starves to death at Casterly Rock, is Davos gonna swoop in on Missandei? Hahaha I said "She's taken, Davos!" at that part glad you noticed it too FuriousxGeorge posted:Euron is the Ramsey mistake all over again. They needed a BAD BAD GUY to move the plot forward. This story isn't really supposed to be about that. Villains like Cersei or Tywin who you find yourself rooting for despite their loathsomeness are what made this show great. Agree. At this point the characters are all flanderized but it'll be fun to watch it burn down at least.
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tooterfish posted:Viserys. Viserys is dead  That's Dany's brother. You mean Varys. or Tyrion? I'm not even sure...
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Blazing Ownager posted:I still wish he was the frightening dread pirate with ancient magic artifacts instead of the blustering rear end in a top hat. Even with his successes, he feels like a guy who should be in charge of a biker gang, not the most feared naval mind of the last 100 years. dont even fink about it posted:The only one with the means is Varys, and the only long game play I see there is positioning Jon to take over.
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Zaphod42 posted:Viserys is dead The dragon named after him, lol. Was a quality comment.
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Jul 31, 2017 10:58
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FuriousxGeorge posted:The dragon named after him, lol. Was a quality comment. Oh, Viserion. I didn't realize you were making a joke about a dragon lol. They all end in -on so its easy to remember. Drogo -> Drogon. Viserys -> Viserion.
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FuriousxGeorge posted:Who has any motive too? The Faceless Man Cersei hired that's wearing Missandei's face. That had sex with Grey Worm. You gotta do what you gotta do.
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Jul 31, 2017 11:01
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*has complete and total air superiority* *never knows what enemy is doing* The dragons should be along scouting before these battles, at the least.
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Jul 31, 2017 11:20
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Bran should be able to relay strategic pointers from Aegon I.
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Jul 31, 2017 11:23
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I forgot Mark Gatiss had a role on the show. Threw me for a loop seeing Mycroft again.
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Wandle Cax posted:Also why do people think he has no dick? he has a dick he's just castrated. Are you kidding me with this poo poo? Why do you think he tried to stop Melisandre from taking off his pants? Cause he ain't got no dick!
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Zaphod42 posted:Viserys is dead I meant Viserion. Because it was a joke. Wandle Cax posted:Also why do people think he has no dick? he has a dick he's just castrated. 404notfound posted:I forgot Mark Gatiss had a role on the show. Threw me for a loop seeing Mycroft again.
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FuriousxGeorge posted:*has complete and total air superiority* I get the impression they haven't really nailed down the whole dragon-riding thing yet, and solo dragons aren't the best communicators.
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Roach Warehouse posted:I get the impression they haven't really nailed down the whole dragon-riding thing yet, and solo dragons aren't the best communicators. Dany's comfortable enough riding Drogon that she flat-out offered to do it. For all the plot holes abounding, I'm okay with the idea that her camp can't afford to risk letting her do that, at least/especially not until they get the results of tonight's episode. Splitting her army up into three forces is still dumb as hell. Casterly Rock was an idiotic plan from the start, and I'm not sure why they thought Olenna and Ellaria needed to be physically present to wrangle their forces. Propaganda Machine fucked around with this message at 12:18 on Jul 31, 2017 |
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C2C - 2.0 posted:Still feels to me like someone in Dany's camp is snitching to Kings Landing. It definitely feels that way. Team Cersei have been able to know who is going be where and when. Varys doesn't appear to be as enamored with Danerys as he once was. She has been steadily ratcheting up the arrogance and entitlement, and is becoming more like her father every time we see her. When she first took Mereen she was distraught at what her dragons did to that herder, but now Tyrion is the only thing stopping her from burning all of Westeros to the ground. Between Varys and Littlefinger, they are going to bring down every major House in Westeros.
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Zaphod42 posted:They all end in -on so its easy to remember. Drogo -> Drogon. Viserys -> Viserion. Except for Rhaegal.
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Not using the Dragons could be seen like the Battleship paradox that real world navies like the British Empire had where something is so valuable/useful you end up not using it out of paranoia you might lose it. I really don't get the whole "Not attack King's Landing" thing though. Couldn't Team Dany just torch the Red Keep Harrenhall style with Cersei in it? That would spare the city and its not like theres anyone but Dany to fill the leadership vacuum. Pretty much every house would shrug and say "She's got dragons and no one has a better offer." Its not like anyone has any actual loyalty to the Lannister regime, they're either in it out of fear or for money. Then again this is the show where even after they'd lost the battle every Bolton soldier was willing to die for the glory of Ramsay rather than surrender/sell out a universally hated and unloved man who now had no power over them.
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