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Good thing I believe in all those things then.
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notice that winning is so important that nancy pelosi never actually bothers to actually answer the question (according to centrists  ) and then goes on to prattle about the importance of a lively debate about having a better future. wow! you centrists (lol wj) sure showed me how important winning the house is to nancy pelosi. one might say she thinks it "is unimportant"
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Jul 31, 2017 16:27
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Condiv posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lf8AqIFWYM8 *gets trolled by Fox* *doubles down* *wonders why can't even win a primary*
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Jul 31, 2017 16:29
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yronic heroism posted:Good thing I believe in all those things then. I didn't ask what you believed in the abstract (lol) I asked what you wanted to see. Materially. IRL. Second time; rough start, but that's okay.
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Jul 31, 2017 16:32
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yronic heroism posted:*gets trolled by Fox* you're the guys trying to pretend she was misquoted i even quoted the article for you guys and then you're pretending that the fact there were two parts to that question is new information. she didn't think answering either part of that question was important, and she didn't cause "that's so unimportant" also, lol that your alternate interpretation of this is: "Nancy was literally too stupid to realize that her responding to this question with "that's so unimportant" is stupid and she didn't really mean winning was unimportant but her being leader!!" nancy pelosi being a bumbling idiot that shouldn't be the face of the dem party is the best defense you can offer for her 
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Jul 31, 2017 16:33
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considering that the dems would have to ball out just to only be 60 seats down in 2018 I wouldn't worry about running for speaker either
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Jul 31, 2017 16:35
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Condiv posted:you're the guys trying to pretend she was misquoted this is a really boring tangent but "the outcome is unimportant, we are who we are and i am who i am" is a pretty fair response to both clauses of that question until one gets into the part where "who we are" are venerable clowns whose time is short.
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Jul 31, 2017 16:37
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Condiv posted:you're the guys trying to pretend she was misquoted Yeah, meanwhile Reince is still bowing and scraping to Donald and doesn't care if he gets humiliated as long as his team wins. Dems are such a waste. C. Everett Koop posted:considering that the dems would have to ball out just to only be 60 seats down in 2018 I wouldn't worry about running for speaker either Well now team, we're going to lose; there's nothing we can do about it and we'll never win. Now go out there and give it your all!
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Jul 31, 2017 16:45
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C. Everett Koop posted:considering that the dems would have to ball out just to only be 60 seats down in 2018 I wouldn't worry about running for speaker either Their 2018 campaign message was a big wet fart. Nobody has any illusions about the dems winning anything in 2018 or 2020, because they refuse to move left and seem to believe that staying center and rebranding their message is all they need.
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Jul 31, 2017 16:49
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Politician blows off Fox News question. Checkmate, centrists. 
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Jul 31, 2017 16:49
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yronic heroism posted:Politician blows off Fox News question. Checkmate, centrists. Why project strength when we can look weak and ineffective to our opposition? Brilliant!
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Jul 31, 2017 16:51
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Condiv posted:oh, they'll try to gently caress with the primaries however they can. they don't care too much about winning against republicans, but they do care about keeping the scary left out of power. we might make their taxes higher!
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Jul 31, 2017 16:52
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yronic heroism posted:Politician blows off Fox News question. Checkmate, centrists. "do you think you'll win the house back in 2018?" *pelosi runs away like a frightened deer*
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Jul 31, 2017 16:54
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Glazier posted:Why project strength when we can look weak and ineffective to our opposition? Brilliant! They could bomb some foreigners if you vote for them; do you think you will!?!
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Jul 31, 2017 16:54
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Glazier posted:Why project strength when we can look weak and ineffective to our opposition? Brilliant! Moving goalposts, as the catchphrase this thread finds oh so clever goes. The original claim was they don't care about trying to win. Unsurprisingly, it was a hack construction by a hack poster reading about a hack interview question.
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Jul 31, 2017 16:54
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yronic heroism posted:Moving goalposts, as the catchphrase this thread finds oh so clever goes. The original claim was they don't care about trying to win. they don't care about trying to win, and he's not conceding your point. he's asking how your point is defensible. you're claiming they care, but not enough to answer any questions about it and also look like idiots because of it? again, really fun watching you centrists tie yourself in knots trying to blow this off
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Jul 31, 2017 16:56
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Hey speaking of things unimportant to the democrats (who are a waste) https://twitter.com/thehill/status/892023066750058496
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Jul 31, 2017 16:57
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The dems care about winning.. when it's to prevent the left wing from taking any sort of power within the party. See: Obama immediately propping up Perez to stop Keith Ellison from becoming chair of DNC.
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Jul 31, 2017 16:58
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Condiv posted:they don't care about trying to win, and he's not conceding your point. he's asking how your point is defensible. you're claiming they care, but not enough to answer any questions about it and also look like idiots because of it? condiv, you know that hopeless dipshit who was asking the left to work together with the alt-right you know how everyone on the face of the planet aware of their existence united in telling them "no, shut the gently caress up, you unbelievable loving moron, that is literally antithetical to what we believe, our politics do not begin and end at hating democrats" do you recognize that you are currently doing the exact same thing with Fox News
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Jul 31, 2017 17:01
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Scent of Worf posted:The dems care about winning.. when it's to prevent the left wing from taking any sort of power within the party. See: Obama immediately propping up Perez to stop Keith Ellison from becoming chair of DNC. yep, a guy like ellison could've helped get tons of wins in the house, but instead dem insiders pushed for a guy who wasn't cut out for the job. but honestly guys, they're serious about winning!! ElNarez posted:Hey speaking of things unimportant to the democrats (who are a waste) remember when centrists blasted bernie for weeks for saying something nice about heath mello cause mello was anti-choice. remember when they smeared and killed his campaign entirely to spite bernie? they sure are interested in winning
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Jul 31, 2017 17:02
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Ze Pollack posted:condiv, you know that hopeless dipshit who was asking the left to work together with the alt-right i quoted the hill, and pelosi was not misquoted in the slightest bit. hth edit: go ahead and read back to when this stuff was posted ze pollack, we've had the full context of the question (both in text and in video) longer than the centrists who bolted in here pretending she was misquoted Condiv fucked around with this message at 17:08 on Jul 31, 2017 |
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Jul 31, 2017 17:03
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The dems are going to fight for getting valid licences for fursonas before raising taxes.
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Jul 31, 2017 17:06
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Ze Pollack posted:condiv, you know that hopeless dipshit who was asking the left to work together with the alt-right lol no he's not please try to come up with a coherent thought before sharing with the group
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Jul 31, 2017 17:07
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Mister Facetious posted:They could bomb some foreigners if you vote for them; do you think you will!?! I'm some idiot on the internet and I can come up with a better response. I posted:Well Chris, I'm going to be focused on making 2018 a banner year the Democratic party. We're going to take the energy we saw in the presidential primary race and we're going to turn that toward races at all levels, including the House, and when people hear our strong progressive message I think we will win control back. Even when we do though, it's not just about winning, it's about doing the right thing for the working class and especially the working poor in this country.
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Jul 31, 2017 17:08
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it's seriously amazing to me we have the full context of what she said in response to the question, that she didn't respond to any part of it, and then we're supposed to believe that she actually cares about winning, she just couldn't be assed to bother talking about it (aside from rejecting its importance ) when prompted because she wanted to talk instead about having a lively debate about tax cuts for job training.... it's really convincing that she cares a lot about winning back the house. she doesn't say she wants to, she takes actions against doing so, but you can see it in her eyes Condiv fucked around with this message at 17:17 on Jul 31, 2017 |
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Jul 31, 2017 17:14
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Ze Pollack posted:condiv, you know that hopeless dipshit who was asking the left to work together with the alt-right You're gonna break your back if you reach any harder than that.
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ElNarez posted:Hey speaking of things unimportant to the democrats (who are a waste) I'm going to get alot of poo poo for this but that isn't a bad stance to take as long as a) the person is religious and the area is a red zone b) the person doesn't actively try to harm existing abortion rights c) the person is a real progressive on every other issue d) the person is actively working with local activists Heath Mello getting his mayor campaign torpedoed because a national organization decided to trigger a giant firestorm without talking to people on the ground first is a good example. https://www.thenation.com/article/why-was-heath-mello-thrown-under-the-bus/
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NewForumSoftware posted:lol no he's not please try to come up with a coherent thought before sharing with the group Don't sign your posts.
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Jul 31, 2017 17:18
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Of all the reactions Democrats have had to Trump, I didn't expect them to reach the point of literally giving up.
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Jul 31, 2017 17:19
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Inescapable Duck posted:Of all the reactions Democrats have had to Trump, I didn't expect them to reach the point of literally giving up. They're #resisting resisting
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Jul 31, 2017 17:21
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Call Me Charlie posted:I'm going to get alot of poo poo for this but that isn't a bad stance to take as long as Nope, being anti-reproductive rights is as bad as being anti-civil rights for racial minorities. If you want to be pro-life then the GOP is over there.
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Jul 31, 2017 17:21
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Glazier posted:I'm some idiot on the internet and I can come up with a better response. I was referencing a classic pic:  It even looks like Pelosi.
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Jul 31, 2017 17:23
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Inescapable Duck posted:Of all the reactions Democrats have had to Trump, I didn't expect them to reach the point of literally giving up.
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Mister Facetious posted:I was referencing a classic pic: Cheerfully withdrawn then 
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Glazier posted:Nope, being anti-reproductive rights is as bad as being anti-civil rights for racial minorities. If you want to be pro-life then the GOP is over there. the article you neglected to read posted:An Omaha native first elected to Nebraska’s unicameral legislature in 2008 at the age of 29, Mello successfully led the fight to overturn Republican Governor Pete Ricketts’s veto of a bill permitting young people in the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program to obtain a driver’s license. Last year, he again put together a coalition that managed to reverse another of Ricketts’s vetoes—this time of a bill allowing young undocumented immigrants to apply for professional or commercial licenses. In Nebraska, which resettled more refugees per capita in 2016 than any other state, that kind of leadership stands out. As does Mello’s outspoken emphasis—unusual in a state dominated by Big Agriculture, and which still gets most of its energy from coal—on fighting climate change and protecting the environment. Likewise his record on LGBTQ issues, including a call for a law to ban discrimination in housing and employment. With strong union support from firefighters, teachers, and city workers, the Sierra Club’s enthusiastic endorsement, and the backing of an array of Democratic heavyweights, from former senator Ben Nelson to former Maryland governor Martin O’Malley, Mello was beginning to look like the party’s best chance for a win after disappointments in Kansas and Georgia.  HEATH MELLO IS THE EXACT SAME AS BIGOTED DIXIECRATS! NO ALLY OF MINE! gently caress OFF TO THE GOP RELIGIOUS PEOPLE!!!
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Jul 31, 2017 17:32
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Would it really be a bad thing if the AFL-CIO got into some gangster poo poo with the democrats?
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Jul 31, 2017 17:33
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yronic heroism posted:I want to see single payer and a new New Deal. I want the GOP out of power. You're not wrong about some people freaking out over every tidbit of information that seems to validate their preexisting views, but the thing you need to understand is that there are people who are actually genuinely concerned about these issues. There are legitimate reasons for people to be emotional about this stuff and feel urgency* towards solving these problems, and leftists are hardly the only ones guilty of this sort of thing (interpreting info in a way fitting preexisting views, that is). It can be irrational, but it's an understandable sort of irrational. Also, I'm not sure if you're also making similar contrarian arguments towards the liberals who do this exact same thing when Republicans/Trump say and do bad/dumb things. If you're not, you might want to ask yourself why it is that this sort of behavior from leftists bothers you so much more than liberals doing the same thing. In both cases there's not really any practical benefit; liberals raging about Trump doesn't accomplish any more than leftists raging about centrist Democrats, and if anything it accomplishes even less (since at least Democrats presumably care about their own constituency, while Republicans sure as hell don't give a poo poo what a bunch of liberals think about them). *I think this part might be one of the biggest areas of disagreement. The sorts of liberals to engage in arguments like this are usually at least financially secure themselves, so even if they realize poverty (etc) is bad they don't feel the same sort of urgency towards fixing it on an emotional level. So when people who are actually vulnerable to this stuff get angry and push for immediate change, they interpret it as an ignorant child demanding a toy or something. They don't really understand what it's like to have to worry about these problems (this is especially true for politicians and the "commentariat", even moreso than random internet posters). Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 17:39 on Jul 31, 2017 |
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Call Me Charlie posted:
Oh never mind, he still wants to make pregnant people undergo unnecessary medical procedures but he won't make them look at the screen! So progressive!
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Jul 31, 2017 17:38
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I said that the Democrats would start to bargain away their "social liberal" values the first time they thought it was a pragmatic way to win an election without actually changing any policies people want them to. I didn't think it would be so soon after 2016 and not throwing women under the bus first but they are only going to go farther socially right as they continue to get trounced in elections. More and more people will be called traitors until there's only a bunch of rich white men left complaining everyone else isn't sufficiently loyal. "I'm fiscally conservative but socially liberal" ALWAYS ends up sacrificing the socially liberal part when money is at stake. Just look at Hillary's "support" for the Standing Rock protests. They are also stupid as hell since "pro-life" isn't about saving babies or stopping abortions it's about punishing women so until they can be actively misogynist in their messaging they aren't going to pull anyone away from the GOP but they sure as gently caress are going to lose their credibility with a lot of people that do understand. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 17:49 on Jul 31, 2017 |
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Even if any of the 'BernieBro' strawman actually existed, they'd still be better and more reliable allies for social justice than establishment Democrats have proven to be.
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