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yronic heroism posted:I think I'll be safe from the NFS-style neckbeards in spit of your best efforts to post the dankest of memes. cool! did you ever answer the question said intellectual asked you? seems like if you respected him so much you wouldn't ignore his questions Willie Tomg posted:I didn't ask what you believed in the abstract (lol) I asked what you wanted to see. Materially. IRL. Second time; rough start, but that's okay.
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Too bad I never defended the Clintons.
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Jul 31, 2017 21:07
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of course not, you've tactically chosen to defend nothing and attack everything it's textbook centrist concern trolling about the left
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Jul 31, 2017 21:09
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WampaLord posted:I didn't exactly have a lot of respect for you before this moment, but know that you've lost literally all of my respect. I can't stand fucks like you who refuse to admit they were wrong. must be rough to look in a mirror
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Jul 31, 2017 21:11
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yronic heroism posted:How do you defend Labour under Corbyn not winning though? I don't have a crystal ball, so I don't know one way or another, but are you predicting he's sure to win next time?  you surely aren't a centrist 
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Jul 31, 2017 21:11
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Willie Tomg posted:I didn't ask what you believed in the abstract (lol) I asked what you wanted to see. Materially. IRL. Second time; rough start, but that's okay. Medicare for all, equitable taxes, and high wages. Why assume these are non-starters for me? I want those things to happen.
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Jul 31, 2017 21:11
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C. Everett Koop posted:must be rough to look in a mirror 
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Jul 31, 2017 21:12
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yronic heroism posted:Medicare for all, equitable taxes, and high wages. Why assume these are non-starters for me? I want those things to happen.
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Jul 31, 2017 21:13
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Condiv posted:cool! did you ever answer the question said intellectual asked you? seems like if you respected him so much you wouldn't ignore his questions I missed it in all this shouting about centrist pigs and how we must needs bend the knee to the fatlord king in the north.
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Jul 31, 2017 21:13
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yronic heroism posted:Medicare for all, equitable taxes, and high wages. Why assume these are non-starters for me? I want those things to happen. really? that's the least abstract you get? and that's all? 
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Jul 31, 2017 21:13
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Condiv posted:really? that's the least abstract you get? and that's all? I liked "equitable taxes" like that's somehow a good thing. Just come out and endorse Herman's 7-7-7 plan
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Jul 31, 2017 21:14
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twodot posted:It's weird, because you're attacking people who are correctly observing that Democrats don't want those things. Except the 60 percent and counting percent of the caucus that does?
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Jul 31, 2017 21:14
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NewForumSoftware posted:I liked "equitable taxes" like that's somehow a good thing. Equitable means fair. Fair means progressive. Flat = non equitable.
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Jul 31, 2017 21:16
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yronic heroism posted:Except the 60 percent and counting percent of the caucus that does?
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Jul 31, 2017 21:16
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yronic heroism posted:Equitable means fair. Fair means progressive. Flat = non equitable. Here, try this, it's better and a more fair description of the necessary action "Tax the rich"
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Jul 31, 2017 21:17
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yronic heroism posted:Equitable means fair. Fair means progressive. Flat = non equitable. what is your definition of equitable? progressive isn't saying much cause we already have progressive taxation (at least on paper)
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Jul 31, 2017 21:18
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also double lol at supporting "high wages" as if that means anything honestly there's not really much more of a centrist thing to do than weakly call for medicare for all after being brow beaten by leftists and having nothing left to stand for but "high wages" and "equitable taxes"
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Jul 31, 2017 21:22
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Condiv posted:what is your definition of equitable? Tax the fuckers. Higher marginal and actual taxation of top earners. Strong estate tax.
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Jul 31, 2017 21:29
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Repeat after me Single payer Tax the rich $15 minimum wage full communism now
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Jul 31, 2017 21:30
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Condiv posted:what's wrong with pelosi and manchin getting purged? and schumer? Then how will lobbyists know the DLC has their backs?
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Jul 31, 2017 21:31
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twodot posted:If a political party can only reach a 60% consensus on a political issue, then it doesn't seem like it can be much of a party plank. Like 60% of the party being in favor of, for example, abortion rights would seem like a serious issue with the party. That number is increasing 
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Jul 31, 2017 21:35
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Condiv posted:really? that's the least abstract you get? and that's all? Those were specifically the things the question wrongly assumed I don't support.
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Jul 31, 2017 21:37
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tekz posted:Are they? They are MOVING in that direction, isn't that enough? He never said they were moving in that direction fast enough to enact SP in our lifetimes.
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Jul 31, 2017 21:41
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I guess Dems and single payer are like a practical thermonuclear fusion power plant - no matter how much time passes, it's always fifty years away.
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Jul 31, 2017 21:42
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NewForumSoftware posted:Repeat after me
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Jul 31, 2017 21:52
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0MK7qz13bU Seriously, drop it. We all get that NFS is being dumb when he says "Hillary owned slaves" (she lived in a Governor's mansion that used slave labor, still loving terrible, but not the same as "literally owned slaves") just stop engaging him on that point, it is going nowhere.
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Jul 31, 2017 21:53
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It's hosed up that unlike Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton is an unapologetic slave owner.
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Jul 31, 2017 22:00
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Remember when Donald Trump wrote a book about his time using prison slavery to do housework while he tutted about how much they acted like people with real feelings.
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Jul 31, 2017 22:02
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NewForumSoftware posted:Remember when Donald Trump wrote a book about his time using prison slavery to do housework while he tutted about how much they acted like people with real feelings. I am not defending Hillary in any way, shape, or form, but holy gently caress you have to stop using "Hillary owned slaves" as a god damned punctuation mark. We all get it, none of us here like Hillary, so please stop beating that drum.
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Jul 31, 2017 22:04
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Actually "Hillary Clinton owned slaves" should be Bernie's political slogan come the 2020 election when he has to defeat her for a second time in the primary
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Jul 31, 2017 22:05
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yronic heroism posted:Those were specifically the things the question wrongly assumed I don't support. no he asked you to describe what your goals are not abstract bulletpoints like singlepayer
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Jul 31, 2017 22:06
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steinrokkan posted:It's hosed up that Donald Trump is an unapologetic slave owner.
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Jul 31, 2017 22:06
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NewForumSoftware posted:Actually "Hillary Clinton owned slaves" should be Bernie's political slogan come the 2020 election when he has to defeat her for a second time in the primary no it shouldn't
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Jul 31, 2017 22:06
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Condiv posted:no it shouldn't agree to disagree
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Jul 31, 2017 22:07
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Condiv posted:no he asked you to describe what your goals are not abstract bulletpoints like singlepayer Medicare for all isn't a goal? What, do I need the write the bill for you?
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Jul 31, 2017 22:07
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there's no excuse for hillary owning slaves in 1988 much like there's even less of an excuse for hillary owning slaves in 2018 anyone who voted for hillary should be forced to give up all their worldly possessions in the name of reparations
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Jul 31, 2017 22:13
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why do you keep calling people smarter and fitter/better groomed than you neckbeards??
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Jul 31, 2017 22:18
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yronic heroism posted:Medicare for all isn't a goal? What, do I need the write the bill for you? write something that takes a littlle more thought than medicare for all? you guys always accuse us of having no goals beyond that so it's weird that 3 bullet points are the sum total of the change you'd like to see
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Jul 31, 2017 22:28
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Condiv posted:write something that takes a littlle more thought than medicare for all? you guys always accuse us of having no goals beyond that so it's weird that 3 bullet points are the sum total of the change you'd like to see Already you are conflating me as part of a nonexistent "you guys".
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C. Everett Koop posted:there's no excuse for hillary owning slaves in 1988 much like there's even less of an excuse for hillary owning slaves in 2018 And yet no one in either party fights to repeal the prisoners as slaves provision in the Thirteenth Amendment. Makes you think
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