Duckbag posted:

Mix in some obstruction of justice and season with corruption, and you've got your self an impeachment.

Shangri-Law School posted:

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Duckbag posted:

No I think this is crusty old gen x Rall saying the ban is dumb while also poking fun at these kids these days and their labels.

For those that don't know, "intersex" is the modern pc word for "hermaphrodite" -- ie someone who was born with ambiguous or "mixed" genitalia/sexual characteristics. It's completely different from being transgendered because there's a blatant anatomical component to it, but often gets lumped in because they have some of the same issues, especially when those who had one sex "assigned at birth" (often involving surgery/hormones) grow up to identify with the other sex (which can happen in puberty when "boys" grow breasts/hips or "girls" get tall and muscular). Most intersex people never "transition" though and are basically indistinguishable from typical cisgender folks except that their junk might look funny/not work that well.

"Genderfluid" or "genderqueer" is someone who doesn't identify as exclusively masculine or feminine some of them may take hormones it get surgery, but most folks seem content to just change the way they dress/present themselves. Don't know a ton about these groups, but they're sort of in a gray area between "cis" and "trans" and frequently the sort of people who don't like to label themselves.

Neither of these are the same as "transgender" --which is someone who was born with one sex, but now identifies as a member of the other sex. It's different from intersex because they usually had clearly male or female bodies to start with (sometimes people use the "assigned at birth" language, but they're talking about social gender, not physiology). It's different from genderfluid because they identify 100% as one gender while rejecting the other.

Of course, people are weird, so there's some gray area and wiggle room between groups, but the takeaway is that, depending on how a "trans ban" is worded, it may not even effect most members of the groups Rall referred to.

Pants Donkey posted:

2017: where even a one day delay is too slow for cartoonists

whomupclicklike posted:

Okay gotta correct a couple things here:
1. Don't say "transgendered"
2. Intersex people may or may not identify as trans, but gender fluid and gender queer people are trans, not a "grey area"
3. Transgender isn't exclusive to the binary genders like you claim

Please know your poo poo before posting

Pants Donkey posted:

Shatner has been ranting about SJWs this past weekend, so I guess we can finally put the old franchise debate to rest.

Avenging_Mikon posted:

1. It's normal to use quotes around specific terms being given specific meaning, chill.

2&3, I've never heard anyone make the claim genderqueer is trans, and transgender is specific to binary because it literally means "across" or "opposite." Which can't happen in a spectrum. This is why the terms genderfluid and genderqueer were made, to help identify people outside the binary.

If you're gonna be shirty with people, don't use you own definitions.

Chump Farts posted:

I stopped getting my hopes up when I looked at Republicans saying "well this is troubling" and going about their standard agenda.

ZDar Fan posted:

duz posted:

Shatner was explicitly not invited to George Takei's wedding.
He's everyone's racist grandpa.

duz posted:

Shatner was explicitly not invited to George Takei's wedding.
He's everyone's racist grandpa.

ZDar Fan posted:

Fulchrum posted:

You know people have jobs, right?

Selachian posted:

Well, Telnaes's Scaramucci caricature is amazing.

Avenging_Mikon posted:

1. It's normal to use quotes around specific terms being given specific meaning, chill.

2&3, I've never heard anyone make the claim genderqueer is trans, and transgender is specific to binary because it literally means "across" or "opposite." Which can't happen in a spectrum. This is why the terms genderfluid and genderqueer were made, to help identify people outside the binary.

If you're gonna be shirty with people, don't use you own definitions.

whomupclicklike posted:

Okay gotta correct a couple things here:
1. Don't say "transgendered"
2. Intersex people may or may not identify as trans, but gender fluid and gender queer people are trans, not a "grey area"
3. Transgender isn't exclusive to the binary genders like you claim

Please know your poo poo before posting

Internet Webguy posted:

I saw her sketches and thought she would change the eyes since it was too close to her Sessions caricature but she went full skull donkey god bless her.

If that's supposed to be Priebus that's p bad tho.

Duckbag posted:

Is using the past participle of "transgender" offensive or just tacky? I've seen it plenty of times, including in academic literature and from trans people. I thought it sounded a little better in that specific sentence. I didn't mean to offend.

I have met and read articles from genderfluid/nonbinary types who absolutely did reject the trans label, either because, as I said, they didn't like labels period, or because they felt that they were something fundamentally different. So yeah, gray area.

As for point three, maybe we're just using different definitions then. Or have talked to different trans people. A lot of trans people are deeply offended if they're lumped in with "third gender" or "non binary" people because they think it's invalidating their identity as male or female if they're placed in the same category as people who say "other."

The problem with politically loaded neologisms is they can take a while to "settle" and, in the mean time, there are a lot of people who are personally invested in what it means to them.

I was posting with good intentions and, I'm sure, so were you, but there are communities online and in real life where either of our definitions would be seen as wrong and insulting.

I won't "transplain" anymore because I was just trying to call Rall an idiot and don't want to piss anyone off or speak for groups I don't belong to, but please consider that not everyone who uses words differently from you is an ignorant idiot.

whomupclicklike posted:

Stop posting any time

whomupclicklike posted:

Stop posting any time

whomupclicklike posted:

1. It's offensive, just say "transgender people"
2. You must not know very many trans people

If you'd like me to transplain more I'd be more than glad to oblige

Internet Webguy posted:

I saw her sketches and thought she would change the eyes since it was too close to her Sessions caricature but she went full skull donkey god bless her.

If that's supposed to be Priebus that's p bad tho.

whomupclicklike posted:

Wow someone makes wildly innacurate statements about trans people and somehow I'm the rear end in a top hat

King Possum III posted:

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Shuka posted:

Also glad I'm not the only one upset by the idea that walking a dog twice a day is arduous. That's barely adequate, probably not though.

Selachian posted:

Well, Telnaes's Scaramucci caricature is amazing.

Lurdiak posted:

The usual cesspits aren't very shook about The Mooch, but they're losing their goddamn minds about Joe Arpaio's conviction. I expect at least Branco to make a cartoon about it, possibly Garrison.

Pants Donkey posted:

Cernovich seemed broken up about losing Moochie.

Pants Donkey posted:

Cernovich seemed broken up about losing Moochie.

Duckbag posted:

Is using the past participle of "transgender" offensive or just tacky?

Condiv posted:

Its trying to reason with the backwards militants before it bombs them back to the stone age