Misc Auto Racing 2017: fuck off Whincup

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iospace: Jan 19, 2038

Part of FIA's problem is they feel they have to justify costs to race in the "pinnacle of racing" as "IT'LL HELP WITH ROAD CARS" (see F1 and LMP1).

# ? Aug 1, 2017 02:19

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# ? May 14, 2024 20:13

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iospace posted:

Part of FIA's problem is they feel they have to justify costs to race in the "pinnacle of racing" as "IT'LL HELP WITH ROAD CARS" (see F1 and LMP1).

this is why homologation should be mandatory

# ? Aug 1, 2017 02:47

MazeOfTzeentch: May 2, 2009; rip miso beno

downhill off camber double apex? we should run spa-francorchamps backwards.

Come off Kemmel braking as late as you dare into the precipitous drop at Radillon, and a massive compression at Eau Rouge up to La Source.

:getin:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYuJbIzDirE

MazeOfTzeentch fucked around with this message at 03:18 on Aug 1, 2017

# ? Aug 1, 2017 03:13

orange juche: Mar 14, 2012

MazeOfTzeentch posted:

downhill off camber double apex? we should run spa-francorchamps backwards.

Come off Kemmel braking as late as you dare into the precipitous drop at Radillon, and a massive compression at Eau Rouge up to La Source.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYuJbIzDirE

Oh god thats got to feel intense as gently caress

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_86W7YNdvDo

E: This came up in related videos, tackling Eau Rouge flat out in a Radical SR6. It has got to be the absolute scariest feeling in the world (considering the dude lifted on all but the last run, even if he thought he didn't lift)if you're not used to driving a downforce car.

orange juche fucked around with this message at 05:23 on Aug 1, 2017

# ? Aug 1, 2017 05:10

harperdc: Jul 24, 2007

iospace posted:

Part of FIA's problem is they feel they have to justify costs to race in the "pinnacle of racing" as "IT'LL HELP WITH ROAD CARS" (see F1 and LMP1).

The FIA and ACO come up with the ideas in accord with the manufacturers (including active and potential ones) so the rules are what the group as a whole want.

Until somebody changes their mind or isn't smart enough to build a better mousetrap, or - in the Porsche case - when the guy that was excited about this leaves and the new execs don't like racing at this budget level, then you get what we saw.

Everything coming forward as "rules" has been agreed by manufacturers and governing bodies. It's literally their own fault if manufacturers don't like the result.

# ? Aug 1, 2017 06:36

Schlesische: Jul 4, 2012

LMP1's rules [including the rules coming for 2020] were made with VAG in the room. They knew what they wanted, and ACO basically wrote the 2020 ruleset to pander to Porsche and their drive towards more electricity in their car lineup. Porsche deciding that it's too expensive and not fair is a cop-out of the highest degree [the real reason is further cutbacks at VAG as more cars are deemed to have cheated emissions tests by governments, this time including Porsches].

Having said that LMP1 was meant to be the cream of the crop. If DPi wants that status they're gonna have to drop a bunch of the restrictions and that's going to mean that a bunch of the teams are going to drop out eventually as the price to be competitive rises.

I still think the ACO goes into crisis mode, holds talks with Toyota and Peugeot and finds a way to make LMP1 cheaper, gets Peugeot to commit short term and keeps trundling on. LMP1 will move down to be closer to the level of DPi and LMP2.

Is that a bad thing? No. France gets a bit more national pride when Toyota Gazoo Racing inevitably Toyota and Gazoo's it's way out of winning next year, they might snag another manufacturer to take it up and European Sports Car fans get to pretend IMSA doesn't exist for another 5-6 years.

Schlesische fucked around with this message at 07:00 on Aug 1, 2017

# ? Aug 1, 2017 06:54

Pablo Bluth: Sep 7, 2007; I've made a huge mistake.

The BTCC had a good day of racing at the weekend, and the results went exactly the right way to make it even closer at the top. Sutton is looking like a serious contender for the title and The Plato tears will be glorious

# ? Aug 1, 2017 08:43

harperdc: Jul 24, 2007

Schlesische posted:

LMP1's rules [including the rules coming for 2020] were made with VAG in the room. They knew what they wanted, and ACO basically wrote the 2020 ruleset to pander to Porsche and their drive towards more electricity in their car lineup. Porsche deciding that it's too expensive and not fair is a cop-out of the highest degree [the real reason is further cutbacks at VAG as more cars are deemed to have cheated emissions tests by governments, this time including Porsches].

Having said that LMP1 was meant to be the cream of the crop. If DPi wants that status they're gonna have to drop a bunch of the restrictions and that's going to mean that a bunch of the teams are going to drop out eventually as the price to be competitive rises.

I still think the ACO goes into crisis mode, holds talks with Toyota and Peugeot and finds a way to make LMP1 cheaper, gets Peugeot to commit short term and keeps trundling on. LMP1 will move down to be closer to the level of DPi and LMP2.

Is that a bad thing? No. France gets a bit more national pride when Toyota Gazoo Racing inevitably Toyota and Gazoo's it's way out of winning next year, they might snag another manufacturer to take it up and European Sports Car fans get to pretend IMSA doesn't exist for another 5-6 years.

Yeah the solution is "get Peugeot to hurry the gently caress up for even half of 2019 while Toyota races privateers," but that may not happen.

DPi is a wonderful thing at a good price for IMSA but it's not the solution for the WEC for P1.

# ? Aug 1, 2017 10:21

iospace: Jan 19, 2038

Part of the problem is a lot of people assume DPi is a replacement for LMP1 when in reality IMSA has been very clear about the fact that they're supposed to be competing with LMP2 cars in terms of lap times. They haven't got the BoP right with the Caddies, but it's getting better.

Though if Rebellion were still around in IMSA we'd probably be talking them picking up a win by this point.

# ? Aug 1, 2017 15:53

Wirth1000: May 12, 2010; #essereFerrari

What if Toyota does stick around and they're the only manufacturer in LMP1 in the 2018 24 Heures du Le Mans... and still lose???

# ? Aug 1, 2017 15:58

Norns: Nov 21, 2011; Senior Shitposting Strategist

Wirth1000 posted:

What if Toyota does stick around and they're the only manufacturer in LMP1 in the 2018 24 Heures du Le Mans... and still lose???

Oh you mean Gazoo it up?

# ? Aug 1, 2017 16:01

Cygni: Nov 12, 2005; raring to post

harperdc posted:

DPi is a wonderful thing at a good price for IMSA but it's not the solution for the WEC for P1.

there shouldnt be a manufacturer P1 class in the first place.

# ? Aug 1, 2017 16:29

orange juche: Mar 14, 2012

https://www.reddit.com/r/USCR/comments/6qwano/a_little_something_interesting_going_together_at/

Someone on Reddit got a hold of a Panoz GTR-1 and is doing something with it. I'm kinda surprised because Panoz has always been notoriously tight-fisted with their race cars, so I have no clue how he got his hands on a GTR-1.

E: nevermind he works for Elan Motorsports so he's probably restoring it for a museum display.

orange juche fucked around with this message at 04:50 on Aug 2, 2017

# ? Aug 2, 2017 04:22

Wirth1000: May 12, 2010; #essereFerrari

e: wrong thread

# ? Aug 2, 2017 04:43

Dudley: Feb 24, 2003; Tasty

Wirth1000 posted:

What if Toyota does stick around and they're the only manufacturer in LMP1 in the 2018 24 Heures du Le Mans... and still lose???

It's possible, but fairly unlikely.

Not least because if it's really only the LMP1Ls to deal with they'll turn the cars down massively and play it more conservatively in general.

# ? Aug 2, 2017 08:08

Schlesische: Jul 4, 2012

Dudley posted:

It's possible, but fairly unlikely.

Not least because if it's really only the LMP1Ls to deal with they'll turn the cars down massively and play it more conservatively in general.

I could absolutely see a new TS-070 crashing into a LMGTE-AM Ferrari at next years Le Mans, and the other one having catastrophic brake failure coming into Indianapolis.

If you can't envision that, I just don't think you've watched enough recent Le Mans.

Schlesische fucked around with this message at 08:52 on Aug 2, 2017

# ? Aug 2, 2017 08:49

orange juche: Mar 14, 2012

Soemeone will have to make a sad song clip for Toyota next year when they prove yet again that disappointed grandpa engineer is still a thing.

# ? Aug 2, 2017 09:26

njsykora: Jan 23, 2012; Robots confuse squirrels.

World Rallycross potentially adding an electric class in 2020 because manufacturers are asking for it. Mostly mentioning this because the article says the FIA have a rule saying internal combustion cars can't race against electric cars which seems incredibly stupid.

# ? Aug 2, 2017 10:09

Powershift: Nov 23, 2009

Electric bikes are starting to creep into some of the shorter disciplines in motocross, and are competitive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTmuawNFp8Q

# ? Aug 2, 2017 14:24

Norns: Nov 21, 2011; Senior Shitposting Strategist

Oh god electric rally cars with all that torque are gunna own so hard

# ? Aug 2, 2017 15:02

Wirth1000: May 12, 2010; #essereFerrari

orange juche posted:

Soemeone will have to make a sad song clip for Toyota next year when they prove yet again that disappointed grandpa engineer is still a thing.

Does anyone actually know who that is and his name? I imagine someone far up in the chain.

# ? Aug 2, 2017 17:37

Dr. Garbanzo: Sep 14, 2010

I slowly watching the Spa race while doing other poo poo in the evenings. I saw similar examples of most of the cars when they took on Bathurst earlier in the year. I love the Bentleys in the flesh and I'm really impressed with the way they seem to take on races. They're always close to the top and seem to stay out of trouble a lot of the time to bank fairly decent times a majority of the time. The BMW's do better overseas than they did at Bathurst where most of them met either a wall or mechanical failure during the race. Same thing tends to happen to a majority of the Audi's come to think of it.

# ? Aug 3, 2017 10:51

njsykora: Jan 23, 2012; Robots confuse squirrels.

IMSA is at Road America this week, so they uploaded the 1993 race to Youtube. More of this please, though hopefully titled properly.

# ? Aug 3, 2017 14:38

Wirth1000: May 12, 2010; #essereFerrari

Angel Nieto has died.

# ? Aug 3, 2017 20:54

harperdc: Jul 24, 2007

njsykora posted:

IMSA is at Road America this week, so they uploaded the 1993 race to Youtube. More of this please, though hopefully titled properly.

for some reason it's an unlisted link. Hrm. Strange. Not going to complain though!

# ? Aug 3, 2017 23:39

Kilonum: Sep 30, 2002; You know where you are? You're in the suburbs, baby. You're gonna drive.

njsykora posted:

IMSA is at Road America this week, so they uploaded the 1993 race to Youtube. More of this please, though hopefully titled properly.

This is worth a watch just for classic David Hobbs and Bob Varsha commentary.

# ? Aug 4, 2017 01:20

njsykora: Jan 23, 2012; Robots confuse squirrels.

harperdc posted:

for some reason it's an unlisted link. Hrm. Strange. Not going to complain though!

Huh, it was in my subs list earlier. Might've gone up a little sooner than planned. Hopefully they make a habit of this like Indycar does uploading old races every week.

# ? Aug 4, 2017 01:49

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Wirth1000 posted:

What if Toyota does stick around and they're the only manufacturer in LMP1 in the 2018 24 Heures du Le Mans... and still lose???

I will pay money to see this

# ? Aug 4, 2017 01:55

orange juche: Mar 14, 2012

njsykora posted:

Huh, it was in my subs list earlier. Might've gone up a little sooner than planned. Hopefully they make a habit of this like Indycar does uploading old races every week.

I think they made it unlisted because they screwed up and uploaded the wrong race. They uploaded the 1993 Camel GT race at Road America.

orange juche fucked around with this message at 02:42 on Aug 4, 2017

# ? Aug 4, 2017 01:58

Schlesische: Jul 4, 2012

orange juche posted:

I think they made it unlisted because they screwed up and uploaded the wrong race. They uploaded the 1993 WSC race at Road America.

Pre-WSC race. There were 962s.

# ? Aug 4, 2017 02:29

Dudley: Feb 24, 2003; Tasty

Schlesische posted:

Pre-WSC race. There were 962s.

Yeah, WSC was the year after, although there's a couple of invitational WSCs in there.

At the end Bob Varsha muses we might have just seen the last race victory for the 962. He was right, unless you count the massively modified Dauers that won LeMans the next year.

Dudley fucked around with this message at 11:14 on Aug 4, 2017

# ? Aug 4, 2017 09:38

harperdc: Jul 24, 2007

Dudley posted:

Yeah, WSC was the year after, although there's a couple of invitational WSCs in there.

They broke pretty early though.

# ? Aug 4, 2017 10:50

Schlesische: Jul 4, 2012

I still love the story about the Dauer 962s.

Dauer: "This is totally a street-legal grand touring car"
FIA: "Then why does it look like a Porsche 962"
Dauer: "Because it is a street legal, grand touring 962"
FIA: "Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck"
Porsche: "GOT 'EM!"

# ? Aug 4, 2017 12:34

Human Grand Prix: Jan 24, 2013; by FactsAreUseless

The Dauer 962 is a very rare example of a car initially designed for racing being turned into a road car.

# ? Aug 4, 2017 16:45

Cygni: Nov 12, 2005; raring to post

VFR leads Practice 1 at Road Amerca

http://www.racer.com/imsa/item/142927-visit-florida-racing-ligier-leads-road-america-fp1

Guess the Ligier switch was a good idea...

# ? Aug 4, 2017 19:23

iospace: Jan 19, 2038

IMSA 2018 schedule out:

code:

Date            Event  / Venue                                                       Classes
Jan. 5-7        Roar Before The Rolex 24 At Daytona                                  P/GTLM/GTD
Jan. 25-28      Rolex 24 At Daytona                                                  P/GTLM/GTD
March 14-17     Mobil 1 Twelve Hours of Sebring Fueled by Fresh From Florida         P/GTLM/GTD
April 13-14     BUBBA burger SportsCar Grand Prix at Long Beach                      P/GTLM
May 4-6         Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course                                           P/GTLM/GTD
June 1-2        Chevrolet Sports Car Classic (Detroit)                               P/GTD
June 28-July 1  Sahlen�s Six Hours of The Glen                                       P/GTLM/GTD
July 6-8        Mobil 1 SportsCar Grand Prix (Mosport)                               P/GTLM/GTD
July 20-21      Northeast Grand Prix (Lime Rock)                                     GTLM/GTD
Aug. 3-5        Continental Tire Road Race Showcase (Road America)                   P/GTLM/GTD
Aug. 17-19      Michelin GT Challenge (Virginia International Raceway)               GTLM/GTD
Sept. 7-9       Continental Tire Monterey Grand Prix powered by Mazda (Laguna Seca)  P/GTLM/GTD
Oct. 10-13      Motul Petit Le Mans (Road Atlanta)                                   P/GTLM/GTD

Of note: No more GTD at Long Beach.

# ? Aug 4, 2017 23:09

dentist toy box: Oct 9, 2012; There's a haint in the foothills of NC; the haint of the #3 chevy. The rich have formed a holy alliance to exorcise it but they'll never fucking catch him.

iospace posted:

IMSA 2018 schedule out:

code:

Date            Event  / Venue                                                       Classes
Jan. 5-7        Roar Before The Rolex 24 At Daytona                                  P/GTLM/GTD
Jan. 25-28      Rolex 24 At Daytona                                                  P/GTLM/GTD
March 14-17     Mobil 1 Twelve Hours of Sebring Fueled by Fresh From Florida         P/GTLM/GTD
April 13-14     BUBBA burger SportsCar Grand Prix at Long Beach                      P/GTLM
May 4-6         Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course                                           P/GTLM/GTD
June 1-2        Chevrolet Sports Car Classic (Detroit)                               P/GTD
June 28-July 1  Sahlen�s Six Hours of The Glen                                       P/GTLM/GTD
July 6-8        Mobil 1 SportsCar Grand Prix (Mosport)                               P/GTLM/GTD
July 20-21      Northeast Grand Prix (Lime Rock)                                     GTLM/GTD
Aug. 3-5        Continental Tire Road Race Showcase (Road America)                   P/GTLM/GTD
Aug. 17-19      Michelin GT Challenge (Virginia International Raceway)               GTLM/GTD
Sept. 7-9       Continental Tire Monterey Grand Prix powered by Mazda (Laguna Seca)  P/GTLM/GTD
Oct. 10-13      Motul Petit Le Mans (Road Atlanta)                                   P/GTLM/GTD

Of note: No more GTD at Long Beach.

Thanks Sage karam

# ? Aug 5, 2017 00:02

iospace: Jan 19, 2038

dentist toy box posted:

Thanks Sage karam

Wasn't it his teammate who did it?

# ? Aug 5, 2017 00:06

Cygni: Nov 12, 2005; raring to post

Btw, IMSA is hinting that another DPi is on the way:

http://www.racer.com/imsa/item/142929-atherton-on-imsa-s-good-news-there-s-more

# ? Aug 5, 2017 00:36

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# ? May 14, 2024 20:13

iospace: Jan 19, 2038

Let's see...

There's some people are thinking that when the Ford GT program ends, Ford is going to do a DPi program. That's who I think it is at first thought.

Other makers: Toyota wants Le Mans, so unlikely? Nissan, GM, Honda, and Mazda are all accounted for.

VAG DPi? Maybe Audi? :getin:

e: or maybe Mercedes, though they have F1 they're stomping in so doubt it.

iospace fucked around with this message at 00:48 on Aug 5, 2017

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