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platzapS posted:What does "all power to the locals" actually mean? Taken at face value it sounds really dumb. look English is terribly lacking in cool words like soviets alright
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I was more worried about hard-decentralizing instincts like this:Larry Parrish posted:The only thing national should be doing in my book is hiring policy wonks to write laws for potential leftist candidates and organize the convention. I think there are certain responsibilities that the national org is better capable of handling, including -Redustribution of internal resources from big established locals to smaller new ones -Being the court of last resort for member grievances -Being the voice of the org when interacting with non-US groups -Coordinating (voluntary) national campaigns/days of action platzapS has issued a correction as of 17:16 on Aug 1, 2017 |
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So the thing about resource redistribution is it's good as hell in theory but in practice the more centralist slate is pushing the less redistributive kickback plan - that is, Momentum wants a fixed percentage of dues to go back to locals, whereas Praxis has a progressive breakdown with smaller locals receiving a larger percentage of dues from corresponding regions. Mind you, both of them proposing any sort of funding return to locals at all is progress.
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SomeMathGuy posted:So the thing about resource redistribution is it's good as hell in theory but in practice the more centralist slate is pushing the less redistributive kickback plan - that is, Momentum wants a fixed percentage of dues to go back to locals, whereas Praxis has a progressive breakdown with smaller locals receiving a larger percentage of dues from corresponding regions. Mind you, both of them proposing any sort of funding return to locals at all is progress. In other news I am reading about the after-hours events in Chicago and worried that teetotalers are going to have outsized influence on the next days' debates.
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SomeMathGuy posted:critical support for Praxis in its struggle against coastal imperialism IMO. 
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don't you think that by associating members with a specific perspective through a group message that the new friends and comrades affinity group is exactly the same as any of the other slates? i agree with the message and all and welcome the introduction of a specifically anarchist perspective to the NPC race but i think its a little silly to push "we're not a slate, we're a cool mom." especially when there are very reasonable critiques to make of extant slates.
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:that's a great question to which I don't know the full answer! oh word, I get the distinction based around wanting to have a platform reached by consensus. That clears up a lot for me, thanks.
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:I am going to refrain from campaigning on this thread Did you learn nothing from Hillary
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Business Gorillas posted:Otoh someone way more online than me in my chapter said that RL has alienated everyone in Praxis I'd be interested to hear about this. I met R.L. at my local meetings and he seems pretty cool.
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momentum has started a rumor campaign against r.l. so i wouldn't trust much what an extremely online person says.
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Impermanent posted:momentum has started a rumor campaign against r.l. so i wouldn't trust much what an extremely online person says. where do ya'll get this stuff
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:this group of NPC candidates that are affiliated with the LibSoc caucus is not a slate! Besides my general ideological support as a member of the libsoc caucus, Jetta Rae specifically is someone I know to be good as hell and a passionate, dedicated, and effective organizer. Her anti-sexist and anti-racist work are inspirational, and I think the DSA could only benefit from having her as a guiding force. drat, I really wish I were going to Chicago.
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Karl Barks posted:where do ya'll get this stuff By being extremely online, I imagine I'm just happy we decided our delegates are bound to the chapter because holy poo poo do I not have enough time to keep my thumb on the Facebook groups, rocketchat, twitterverse, and whatever the hell else people are using
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Business Gorillas posted:Galaxy brain: it's time to start purging people that aren't fully committed to the cause purge all the Daves imo still not sure about Davids but definitely purge all the Daves
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Grand Prize Winner posted:i do not understand twitter like at all the following count is how many accounts that person is following the follower count is how many accounts that are following that person
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Grand Prize Winner posted:i do not understand twitter like at all the account is following 700 people and is in turn followed by 3000
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Grand Prize Winner posted:i do not understand twitter like at all it's because their design is garbage and it should reading the number second in the phrase for how many people said account Follows
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https://twitter.com/brutapologist/status/892406910917517312 https://twitter.com/brutapologist/status/892411196015509504 https://twitter.com/brutapologist/status/892414237666156544
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Speaking of Texas, I'm in the Austin area and I'd like to get involved with the DSA but I haven't been able to make the Thursday meetings. It looks like there's a WilCo DSA now which is awesome! I guess they are still working on finding a place to meet but I'm totally excited to get involved.
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:this group of NPC candidates that are affiliated with the LibSoc caucus is not a slate! (Good luck  )
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Business Gorillas posted:Otoh someone way more online than me in my chapter said that RL has alienated everyone in Praxis no
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I made the hour and a half drive and went to the Orlando chapter meeting yesterday - my first meeting. Probably 30-40 people? I'm terrible at estimating that... Good mix of people, everyone was really nice, and it seems like they're working on some good poo poo If anyone was there I was the dude in the DSA shirt
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Oh but most importantly, I learned at dinner that their delegates seemed to dislike momentum send like praxis the appropriate amounts
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OhFunny posted:Thank you. This is very helpful. We are changing a few things due to issues we ran into: 1) We restrict who can vote to active members, and only establish active membership through general meetings. We decided to allow people who go to working group or committee meetings to be considered active members and allowed to vote. When people show up to weekly working group/committee meetings and yet have trouble making the general a couple times, they shouldn't lose their voting rights. As such, we through near-unanimous vote decided that people who are active in Working Groups or Committees can vote in general meetings if approved by either working group/committee co-chair. The particulars of this are possibly changing as there are 2 main options for how we want to change this, either nomination by the co-chair as one, or attending 2 of the last 5 working group/committee meetings. The opposition to this was by some people who are pretty parliamentarian and think that we should've changed the bylaws before allowing that. 2) As our bylaws are written, the Steering Committee has to facilitate all general meetings themselves. It takes a lot of work to be on the Steering Committee and we want more than just the same few people facilitating all the time. The Steering Committee was given the authority to find facilitators instead of having to do it themselves every time. I think this was unopposed. 3) We elected an all woman-identifying Steering Committee. The understanding from the bylaws-writing working group was that banning this was result was unintended and that the purpose of the language had been to prevent two men as co-chairs. By unanimous vote we decided to ignore this part of our bylaws and correct the bylaws to match intention afterwards. When is your bylaw drafting meeting? Ours was intense.
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R.L. is a very nice and cool dude and I hope that the Momentum plan and the Praxis plan can be decided between without any hard feelings.
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:there are more options than just Momentum or Praxis. please don't present it as just a two-choice thing. https://twitter.com/jacofinmag/status/892480147797966852
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big black turnout posted:I made the hour and a half drive and went to the Orlando chapter meeting yesterday - my first meeting. Probably 30-40 people? I'm terrible at estimating that... Good mix of people, everyone was really nice, and it seems like they're working on some good poo poo Hello it was me in Red Eugene Debs shirt
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MrWilderheap posted:Speaking of Texas, I'm in the Austin area and I'd like to get involved with the DSA but I haven't been able to make the Thursday meetings. It looks like there's a WilCo DSA now which is awesome! I guess they are still working on finding a place to meet but I'm totally excited to get involved. Hey, that's me! I'm the co-chair of Wilco DSA! Right now we're struggling on meeting places, yeah, because Williamson County loving sucks and has nowhere you can meet that isn't a crowded restaurant or cost $50/hr minimum. We're meeting at a member's house in Leander this Sunday if you want to drop by! Another member and I won't be there since we'll be in Chicago for the convention, but the meeting's gonna be headed up by my fellow co-chair and it should hopefully be pretty productive! EDIT: Speaking of the convention, is there any plans for a goon outing one night? I'll be bringing a couple board/party games since our delegation has a bunch of nerds in it and gently caress yeah board games, but I think it'd be kinda neat to go meet some goony neckbeards for a drink or something. surfacelevelspeck has issued a correction as of 16:37 on Aug 2, 2017 |
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