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I don't know why anyone would do a prequel (midquel?) series about Khan and set it on Ceti Alpha V and not way back in the Eugenics Wars where there might actually be a story hiding somewhere. It's a bad idea, real or fake, but I dunno, maybe if it's short enough it could be okay. I don't know how they'd manage to stretch sandstorms and chess games out more than a few episodes. They only had one chess board. I'd probably rather have a post-WW3 Colonel Green miniseries or something. Or, y'know, just do that anthology series folks thought Discovery might've turned into and jump all over the timeline. Get Avery Brooks as your Rod Serling narrator character. Wormhole Sisko has to be doing something, right?
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Delsaber posted:Get Avery Brooks as your Rod Serling narrator character. Wormhole Sisko has to be doing something, right? That's too good to exist. I'm imagining him and Q trading off an A&E biographies type introduction or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiEu8rkQHCQ
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FuturePastNow posted:I love Stargate: SG-1 but I'd skip most of season 1 Honestly, season 1 of SG1 is about as solid on hit rate as season 3 of TNG. Now, the loving racist and sexist one-two punch of Emancipation probably shouldn't have been made, and for sure shouldn't be the first one after the pilot, but most of the season after about ep 6 is solid to good. Thor's Hammer, Torment of Tantalus, Bloodlines and Fire & Water are all really good and are right in the middle of season 1.
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Aug 1, 2017 23:05
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Orv posted:Does The Vanishing of Wesley Crusher have anything to do with the thematics of Chakotay, or did someone in Trek circles just get way into Native American stuff around then? I just checked Memory Alpha, and according to Jeri Taylor, her intention was that Chakotay came from Dorvan V. However, this was never mentioned on Voyager, so I kinda wonder if it became a Nick Lorcano/Tom Paris situation, and Chakotay actually came from a completely different planet of Native Americans in the Cardassian DMZ.
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Gaz-L posted:Honestly, season 1 of SG1 is about as solid on hit rate as season 3 of TNG. Now, the loving racist and sexist one-two punch of Emancipation probably shouldn't have been made, and for sure shouldn't be the first one after the pilot, but most of the season after about ep 6 is solid to good. Thor's Hammer, Torment of Tantalus, Bloodlines and Fire & Water are all really good and are right in the middle of season 1. "There But for the Grace of God" is pretty much my favorite version of the EVERYONE DIES but it's not really them sci-fi trope in any series.
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Fun fact: Emancipation was written by the same person who wrote Code of Honor. Everything should all make sense now.
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I really wish they would do something new with this franchise instead of becoming obsessed with its own mythology and crawling straight up its own rear end like every other nerd thing.
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cenotaph posted:I really wish they would do something new with this franchise instead of becoming obsessed with its own mythology and crawling straight up its own rear end like every other nerd thing. bad fantasy/sci-f does this weird "all our greatest hits collection" thing, such as beta canon where stuff happens like Locutus comes back from the 29th century
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cenotaph posted:I really wish they would do something new with this franchise instead of becoming obsessed with its own mythology and crawling straight up its own rear end like every other nerd thing. On the Excelsior, with Captain Sulu.
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Nessus posted:I don't even blame them for wanting to situate things where they don't have to engage with 21 seasons of canon unless they want to, but for the love of God and Vulcan Buddha, just shut up and do some poo poo. I think it's actually much more of a challenge to slot something into the past. The Canon is still there and you have to tell compelling stories without upsetting it. Or just not care, obviously. But why make a show in a Canon continuity if you don't care? The fans will.
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Kazinsal posted:Fun fact: Emancipation was written by the same person who wrote Code of Honor. Yeah that's an amazingly fun fact, after you know it you realize the episodes are basically exactly the same. Is the general storyline this woman's fetish or something?
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The Bloop posted:I think it's actually much more of a challenge to slot something into the past. The Canon is still there and you have to tell compelling stories without upsetting it.
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The Bloop posted:I think it's actually much more of a challenge to slot something into the past. The Canon is still there and you have to tell compelling stories without upsetting it. Yeah, if you care about canon at all then prequels are a minefield since you need to deal with continuity in both directions. Something post-DS9/VOY would have been way easier if the goal is to avoid being weighed down by canon while still paying some lip service to it.
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TNG premiered when I was three and as a child the excitement of seeing a new, interesting sci-fi story every week with characters you knew was the main draw. I did like the continuity in DS9 but they introduced a series of new species to expand the universe. Even though Voyager was crap they at least tried to add new stuff. Hell, even Enterprise threw in some new species and it was a prequel. But every time I see something about Discovery my reaction is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1YO4_aH3gE
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Isn't part of the issue with setting things post-VOY centered around the Viacom split? I thought there was some muddy bits of the rights where CBS has all the TV stuff but Paramount owns all the movie stuff and they can't hash out rights for who could use what so it's just easier to set a show in the past and use entirely new stuff that's rights-free. I can't seem to find anything definitive on that, however, so maybe that's not the case.
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Just make TNG:TAS and Excelsior:TAS whilst they figure out what else they want to do.
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MikeJF posted:Just make TNG:TAS and Excelsior:TAS whilst they figure out what else they want to do. Would watch. Hard. Can even have Tuvok on Excelsior!
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Baronjutter posted:Yeah that's an amazingly fun fact, after you know it you realize the episodes are basically exactly the same. Is the general storyline this woman's fetish or something? Katharyn Powers is her name. In addition to these two racist sexist ploppers, she also wrote the episode that introduced Garak in DS9, so I consider her script-based sins forgiven tenfold.
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The_Doctor posted:It seems to be about the old woman who finds Daniel in the film, but when she was younger. So, from what I remember, that would mean the stargate isn't activated? they spend the whole season on 23 episodes of standing around the gate saying "gently caress if I know how it works"
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We know they managed to get it working once.
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MikeJF posted:We know they managed to get it working once. That's the season finale
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I watched the first five episodes of DS9. I thought most of these episodes were twice as long as they needed to be, and Babel felt like a rehash of earlier series' plots such as Amok Time. In "A Man Alone", I called it immediately when Odo was asked "How many people on these station have a reason to frame you", that the person who was murdered has plenty of motive. Isaac Asimov once wrote that it's possible to write a good science-fiction mystery if you give the audience all the rules of how things work over the course of the story, but here Star Trek tends to give some random unforeseen technological solution. Here, the murderer killed a clone of himself and they revealed afterward that they have the technology to clone people and grow them to adult size within a few days. I thought Past Prologue was the best episode of the last three because it was character-driven instead of hinging on a sci-fi event. Edit: Also, though the question of Trill legal culpability for past crimes was interesting, the episode Dax ends the same way as A Man Alone, with the clinching exonerating evidence (solid alibi) being found during the last few minutes. galenanorth fucked around with this message at 02:22 on Aug 2, 2017 |
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DS9 season one definitely feels like TNG retreads or rejects, but with (generally) more interesting characters. After a while they find their feet on what kinds of plots work with their setup and then you have both the good characters and the good stories. For the most part season one doesn't ever really go all the way to terrible, but it only has one really stupendous episode (Duet). If you find yourself lacking motivation to continue on, just watch Duet then skip to season two.
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MikeJF posted:Just make TNG:TAS and Excelsior:TAS whilst they figure out what else they want to do. Oh! Oh! And get the studio that did Space Battleship Yamato 2199! (but only if we write NO CATSUITS. AT ALL. EVER into the contract)
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Oh! Oh! And get the studio that did Space Battleship Yamato 2199! (but only if we write NO CATSUITS. AT ALL. EVER into the contract) If there's no willowy women in catsuits, it's a disgrace to the legacy of Leiji. Next you'll be telling me they should get reasonable, professional haircuts.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Oh! Oh! And get the studio that did Space Battleship Yamato 2199! (but only if we write NO CATSUITS. AT ALL. EVER into the contract) just have them do voyager and the problem is solved
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I've been watching Voyager for the first time, except for a few random episodes I caught on TV when it was airing, so I didn't know about the Seska character until now. Can we talk about Seska? Because I don't understand. I don't understand her motivations or anything she does. At first she makes sense, she's a Bajoran Maquis rebel who doesn't give a poo poo about Federation law or the Prime Directive and just wants to get home by hook or by crook, and she's always instigating plans to steal technology or whatever it takes, she thinks Janeway is an idiot for giving up every chance they have to go home and that she's unfit for command for stranding them there in the first place. That all makes sense, and then when we find out she's a Cardassian agent made to look Bajoran to infiltrate the resistance and then the Maquis that still makes sense, of course she hates Starfleet and wants to complete her mission by any means necessary. But then she...changes her mind about going home and decides that Voyager should set themselves up as rulers of a Kazon empire, dripping out advanced technology to them in exchange for loyalty? Or failing that, she just goes off and does it herself? Whaaaaat? First of all, these are aliens so dumb they can't find water in outer space so even being queen of them would suck, assuming they don't just kill her after they've gotten all the technology they needed. Second...why? The Kazon can't help you get home, there are plenty of other planets if you just want to settle somewhere and live out your days among aliens etc. Cardassians are supposed to value loyalty and duty to the race and the state above all else, and she's in their elite intelligence organization on the most sensitive missions for only the very best of the best. You would think getting home to report would be a lifelong obsession but she's just like "ehhhh whatever I'm gonna be the spongeheads' new idiot queen". Am I missing something about Seska? Does this get explained later.
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VitalSigns posted:I've been watching Voyager lol
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Nah, you didn't miss anything, that's exactly what it looks like
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VitalSigns posted:Does this get explained later. Lol, no.
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Seska is A Bad Guy. That's all the thought there is.
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Oh okay. I was hoping after Maneuvers there'd be some grand plan that makes this all make sense, including her bizarre decision to spermjack Chakotay, but I checked out her character on Memory Alpha and she's only in one more episode which didn't seem like enough to explain everything and I guess it's not.
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Delsaber posted:I don't know why anyone would do a prequel (midquel?) series about Khan and set it on Ceti Alpha V and not way back in the Eugenics Wars where there might actually be a story hiding somewhere. It's a bad idea, real or fake, but I dunno, maybe if it's short enough it could be okay. I don't know how they'd manage to stretch sandstorms and chess games out more than a few episodes. They only had one chess board. Could go the Dexter/Hannibal route and have Khan somehow luring peaceful folks to the Ceti Alpha system and doing nasty poo poo to them. Then poo poo constantly goes wrong and they never get off the planet.
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corn in the bible posted:just have them do voyager and the problem is solved Voyager definitely would've benefited from a
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corn in the bible posted:just have them do voyager and the problem is solved Nice. But Yamato 2199 is actually really good. The art is gorgeous and there's several episodes that I wish were longer than a half an hour. 2202 is slowly releasing and so far we have space battle porn and Yamato nostalgia porn. The Stargate franchise's entire existence is justified by their Groundhog Day episode. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMBNJ1A_CjI Also for having good characters you get attached to, Nooooo Dr. Frasier, nooooooooooo ! and for providing a home to refugees from other SF series.w
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VitalSigns posted:I've been watching Voyager for the first time, except for a few random episodes I caught on TV when it was airing, so I didn't know about the Seska character until now. Can we talk about Seska? Because I don't understand. I don't understand her motivations or anything she does. As we saw with the bajorans, the primary Cardassian racial trait is trying to technologically uplift planets of idiots, by force if necessary. Looking forward to Discovery revealing the cardassians dealing with pakleds
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cenotaph posted:TNG premiered when I was three and as a child the excitement of seeing a new, interesting sci-fi story every week with characters you knew was the main draw. I did like the continuity in DS9 but they introduced a series of new species to expand the universe. Even though Voyager was crap they at least tried to add new stuff. Hell, even Enterprise threw in some new species and it was a prequel. But every time I see something about Discovery my reaction is Everything about Discovery screams "Rich Old Man Tries to Cash in on Nerd Thing Without Understanding it" and that's a lovely vibe for basically any project Remember Stargate Universe's musical interludes? I'm betting there's some of that in this show, and there's a 50% chance it's not even as funny as "don't forget to breathe" *crew slowly asphyxiates due to lack of oxygen*
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