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call to action: Jun 10, 2016; by FactsAreUseless

The "goddamn iphone millennials" thing immediately identifies you as old af, considering you can get new iPhones locked to off-brand MVNOs for like $150 these days. If you think iPhones all cost $700 you're dumb

# ? Aug 2, 2017 18:00

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# ? May 31, 2024 18:47

Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

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ChairMaster posted:

Are you asking for evidence that truancy is a much larger issue for black and hispanic families than white families? Or evidence that Kamala Harris is such an ignorant person that she isn't aware of that? I can't honestly say that I have any evidence of the latter, but it's so insane to pretend like she wouldn't know that that I hadn't considered it. Why exactly do you think children are truant, exactly? Do you think it's because parents don't give a poo poo that their kids are missing school? Do you not understand that the people living in the worst of American society sometimes cannot work two or three jobs while simultaneously making sure that their kids are attending school, or even needing one of them to stay home to take care of a younger child that does not yet attend school? America doesn't have affordable daycare, if you hadn't noticed. The very basic luxuries I can only assume you've taken for granted your whole life do not apply to the vast majority of poor minority families in America.

Am I stuck explaining the very base causes of social issues in a thread about politics that are supposed to help those most in need? Are there seriously people posting here, or who can be thought of as politically engaged that do not understand any of the things I just spelled out?

yes, they're centrists. they're wrapped up in a thick just world fallacy in order to excuse their distaste for any action that could benefit people

# ? Aug 2, 2017 18:00

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Hey guys, Kamala Harris is a woman of colour, I'm pretty sure she's aware of the existence of systemic discrimination based on both gender and race. Do you really think a presumably off-the-cuff statement, in lieu of a detailed proposal for an enforceable law, should be taken as evidence that she wants to promote white supremacy?

# ? Aug 2, 2017 18:01

Crowsbeak: Oct 9, 2012; by Azathoth; Lipstick Apathy

C. Everett Koop posted:

All the people bitching about how we're in the worst timeline are loving stupid. Considering the circumstances of 2016 we're actually in the best case scenario:

-Abuela loses but is able to hide the fact that she owns slaves to a popular vote victory, meaning there's reason to for worthless children to bitch and whine that she'd have won if the rules were different . If she'd have narrowly squeaked it out Trump would still be disputing the election, meaning we'd have an illegitimate president given our systems.
-Due to that Trump comes in with historically low approval ratings for a new president, meaning there's no grace period nor any real mandate for the party to follow. The same would have been said for Abuela, but without full control of Congress the excuses would be flying out of everyone's mouth.
-Trump's ineffective for his first six months with no real policy wins and in-fighting among his staff. Damage is kept to a minimum, as opposed to what a Ted Cruz presidency could have looked like. Abuela would be the same way; we'd still be at eight Supremes and motions of impeachment would be coming out of the House on a weekly basis. It's also reasonable to assume that her Cabinet would mostly be unfilled as every nominee is shot down.
-The GOP wasn't prepared to actually have to try and overturn Obamacare and with the unexpected sweep in gov control had to rush to try and get something across the goal line, only to suffer a massive own goal instead that'll have ramifications down the line from the voters and more importantly the donors. Abuela in charge means Ryan/McConnell get to obstruct and kick the can down the road to 2020 (whether they're prepared by then is a whole other deal but they'd have a better shot at being prepared by then).
-An Abuela victory hides how worthless the centrist dems really are and gives them reason to shout down the leftists. Taking such a massive L means the dems can move to the left if they can stop being fundamentally worthless for just two seconds. It's the very definition of taking a painful short term loss for significant long term gains if only they're not the dumbest piles of poo poo in existence.

We're better off today with President Trump in charge and we have the potential to be significantly better off down the line. People who don't realize this are blind to reality and should be cast aside like the filth they are.

I can't agree more. Now the dems can be purified.

# ? Aug 2, 2017 18:02

Willie Tomg: Feb 2, 2006

ChairMaster posted:

Am I stuck explaining the very base causes of social issues in a thread about politics that are supposed to help those most in need? Are there seriously people posting here, or who can be thought of as politically engaged that do not understand any of the things I just spelled out?

They know, they understand, they consciously choose to perform otherwise in some political character or other while characterizing a politics derived from interpersonal relationships rooted in material conditions as "unserious" somehow and they will never ever actually tell you what they support in earnest even if you give them half a dozen chances to explain such in an open ended fashion because that isn't the point to their conception of civics.

im so bored of this poo poo

# ? Aug 2, 2017 18:02

call to action: Jun 10, 2016; by FactsAreUseless

PT6A posted:

Hey guys, Kamala Harris is a woman of colour, I'm pretty sure she's aware of the existence of systemic discrimination based on both gender and race. Do you really think a presumably off-the-cuff statement, in lieu of a detailed proposal for an enforceable law, should be taken as evidence that she wants to promote white supremacy?

no but that earlier cite quoting her saying "protesters should meet with police and learn how to safely protest" does paint her as pretty out of touch with communities of PoCs

# ? Aug 2, 2017 18:02

NewForumSoftware: Oct 8, 2016; by Lowtax

PT6A posted:

Hey guys, Kamala Harris is a woman of colour, I'm pretty sure she's aware of the existence of systemic discrimination based on both gender and race. Do you really think a presumably off-the-cuff statement, in lieu of a detailed proposal for an enforceable law, should be taken as evidence that she wants to promote white supremacy?

Ahh yes the ever classic "it was just off the cuff racism" I guess it worked for DJT maybe Kamala Harris has something figured out afterall.

"no you see thats just law school lockerroom chat"

# ? Aug 2, 2017 18:02

Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

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Al Borland Corp. posted:

I voted Bernie man I don't know what to tell you. Also I stand by that Manning statement. I've never toxxed for anything except getting a thread done on time. DWS was incompetent and a bad DNC leader and a bad politician in general but she didn't deserve the treatment and raw hate she got. Her life at that point was nothing but people telling her to loving die. Zero reason for Clinton to also throw her under the bus.

And thanks, before I had said I had only seen extremists from the Clinton wing and not the Bernie ones. Now I have. Get the gently caress over the primary.

i'm sorry, but you're the extremist if you think chelsea manning is a traitor. that's just hosed up

# ? Aug 2, 2017 18:04

FuriousxGeorge: Aug 8, 2007; We've been the best team all year.

They're just finding out.

ChairMaster posted:

Are you asking for evidence that truancy is a much larger issue for black and hispanic families than white families? Or evidence that Kamala Harris is such an ignorant person that she isn't aware of that? I can't honestly say that I have any evidence of the latter, but it's so insane to pretend like she wouldn't know that that I hadn't considered it.

On another matter,

https://archives.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2014/10/08/marijuana-advocates-ditch-kamala-harris-for-weed-friendly-republican

quote:

Attorney General Kamala Harris has laughed her way out of the good graces of California's marijuana industry. In turn, some of the state's weed players are now backing the AG's Republican challenger.

This is a sea change from four years ago. When Harris was still San Francisco's district attorney, the city's cannabis establishment threw her a fundraiser in a posh SoMa apartment. Then, attendees say, she was approachable and sympathetic.

But since ascending to Sacramento, Harris has been bad on drug reform, weed advocates say, and has shut herself off from her old city's legal marijuana industry. The last straw was this summer, when the attorney general laughed off questions about her support for marijuana legalization.

BAD DEM.

# ? Aug 2, 2017 18:04

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

NewForumSoftware posted:

Ahh yes the ever classic "it was just off the cuff racism" I guess it worked for DJT maybe Kamala Harris has something figured out afterall.

She's African-American, she can't be racist because she doesn't benefit from privilege on the basis of her race. For a bunch of woke leftists, y'all are pretty ignorant.

# ? Aug 2, 2017 18:04

ChairMaster: Aug 22, 2009; by R. Guyovich

PT6A posted:

Hey guys, Kamala Harris is a woman of colour, I'm pretty sure she's aware of the existence of systemic discrimination based on both gender and race. Do you really think a presumably off-the-cuff statement, in lieu of a detailed proposal for an enforceable law, should be taken as evidence that she wants to promote white supremacy?

Did you not notice that Obama wasn't white, but he ramped up the war on drugs? Not being white doesn't mean that you give a poo poo about minorities, people like Obama and Harris are saying "gently caress you, got mine" to the millions of people who need their help the most.

I guess you're pretty into that though, considering your preferred political party in the country we unfortunately share.

# ? Aug 2, 2017 18:04

C. Everett Koop: Aug 18, 2008

NewForumSoftware posted:

ps if you dont vote centrist you're the real racist

Kamala's a minority and a woman if you don't vote for her you get the double whammy!!!!!

If her name was Kim she'd be a nobody in the eyes of the DNC. And if she was any darker she'd be on Abuela's plantation.

# ? Aug 2, 2017 18:05

Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
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PT6A posted:

Hey guys, Kamala Harris is a woman of colour, I'm pretty sure she's aware of the existence of systemic discrimination based on both gender and race. Do you really think a presumably off-the-cuff statement, in lieu of a detailed proposal for an enforceable law, should be taken as evidence that she wants to promote white supremacy?

PT6A posted:

She's African-American, she can't be racist because she doesn't benefit from privilege on the basis of her race. For a bunch of woke leftists, y'all are pretty ignorant.

wow this is dumb

# ? Aug 2, 2017 18:05

NewForumSoftware: Oct 8, 2016; by Lowtax

PT6A posted:

She's African-American, she can't be racist because she doesn't benefit from privilege on the basis of her race. For a bunch of woke leftists, y'all are pretty ignorant.

lol that you think being African American somehow prevents someone from pursuing racist policy

this is basically "but the lobbyists for all the payday loan companies ARE black? how can payday loans be racist?!"

# ? Aug 2, 2017 18:05

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

NewForumSoftware posted:

lol that you think being African American somehow prevents someone from pursuing racist policy

this is basically "but the lobbyists for all the payday loan companies ARE black? how can payday loans be racist?!"

I'm not saying she can't pursue or promote racists policies, I'm saying she can't, herself, be racist. Those are two different things. And I think it's a fairly serious accusation to say that a person of colour is essentially a race traitor without considerable evidence -- you know, something beyond a few out-of-touch comments.

# ? Aug 2, 2017 18:07

Willie Tomg: Feb 2, 2006

PT6A posted:

Hey guys, Kamala Harris is a woman of colour, I'm pretty sure she's aware of the existence of systemic discrimination based on both gender and race. Do you really think a presumably off-the-cuff statement, in lieu of a detailed proposal for an enforceable law, should be taken as evidence that she wants to promote white supremacy?

Von Ormy is a town in Texas that is overwhelmingly Latino which incorporated and destroyed itself in a libertarian experiment so as to not to be rolled into Those Uglier, Welfare Latinos a few minutes away in San Antonio.

No matter their surface presentation or party affiliation, do not underestimate the stupidity of politics centered in necessarily relative and ephemeral and constructed concepts like "ethnicity" or "freedom" and spiderwebbed outward, rather than identifying specific needs which are shared among people and addressing them.

# ? Aug 2, 2017 18:08

Willie Tomg: Feb 2, 2006

PT6A posted:

I'm not saying she can't pursue or promote racists policies, I'm saying she can't, herself, be racist.

jesus christ

# ? Aug 2, 2017 18:08

NewForumSoftware: Oct 8, 2016; by Lowtax

PT6A posted:

I'm not saying she can't pursue or promote racists policies, I'm saying she can't, herself, be racist. Those are two different things. And I think it's a fairly serious accusation to say that a person of colour is essentially a race traitor without considerable evidence -- you know, something beyond a few out-of-touch comments.

good news i never called her a racist so you can forget your derail and kneel to saint bernard

# ? Aug 2, 2017 18:08

call to action: Jun 10, 2016; by FactsAreUseless

PT6A posted:

I'm not saying she can't pursue or promote racists policies, I'm saying she can't, herself, be racist. Those are two different things. And I think it's a fairly serious accusation to say that a person of colour is essentially a race traitor without considerable evidence -- you know, something beyond a few out-of-touch comments.

Actually, black people can absolutely be racist against other minorities, hth

# ? Aug 2, 2017 18:09

ChairMaster: Aug 22, 2009; by R. Guyovich

I don't understand this bit where people are pretending like the disgusting actions of Harris or Obama are okay if they turned out to be so incredibly out of touch with whats going on in the world that they can be safely classified as being as ignorant as Donald Trump himself, rather than an actual hatred of the people that they're loving over.

Why is such a wild degree of ignorance better than malice when the end result is the same?

# ? Aug 2, 2017 18:10

Willie Tomg: Feb 2, 2006

and black people can say racist poo poo about black people and;ansdlaknkljnn

gently caress it, thanks PT6A, i got a day off and you've convinced me to spend it away from the computer. i owe you one. gently caress this. got a few shandys left in the fridge somewhere, gently caress this poo poo, not today, not like this.

# ? Aug 2, 2017 18:11

FuriousxGeorge: Aug 8, 2007; We've been the best team all year.

They're just finding out.

PT6A posted:

I'm not saying she can't pursue or promote racists policies, I'm saying she can't, herself, be racist.

Does it make a loving difference if they are in their heart racist or not? I've always heard from the wokes that in your heart doesn't matter. I've also heard that internalized bigotry against a group you are a member of is a very real thing.

# ? Aug 2, 2017 18:11

JailTrump: Jul 14, 2017; by FactsAreUseless

FuriousxGeorge posted:

Does it make a loving difference if they are in their heart racist or not? I've always heard from the wokes that in your heart doesn't matter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGe6TXbWmWI

According to some members of the left minorities can't be racist.

# ? Aug 2, 2017 18:13

call to action: Jun 10, 2016; by FactsAreUseless

Obama treating Yemeni children like so much toilet paper is racist, too, because Obama sees Arabs as being less than human. That makes him a racist.

# ? Aug 2, 2017 18:14

Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

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ChairMaster posted:

I don't understand this bit where people are pretending like the disgusting actions of Harris or Obama are okay if they turned out to be so incredibly out of touch with whats going on in the world that they can be safely classified as being as ignorant as Donald Trump himself, rather than an actual hatred of the people that they're loving over.

Why is such a wild degree of ignorance better than malice when the end result is the same?

because then, the racist status quo which grinds minorities to dust is justifiable to maintain as long as:

1) you're a leader but you don't know that you're doing a racism
2) you're a follower and the leader demands you do a racism

tada! racist institutions are now populated entirely by nonracists! it's magic!

# ? Aug 2, 2017 18:14

ChairMaster: Aug 22, 2009; by R. Guyovich

JailTrump posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGe6TXbWmWI

According to some members of the left minorities can't be racist.

I don't give a flying gently caress who is racist or not, I'd rather have an outspoken racist in power if they abolished prison labor and legalized drugs, rather than people like Obama and Harris, who have enough money that they can gladly send untold millions of minorities to prison and never accept or realize the damage that their monstrous policies cause.

# ? Aug 2, 2017 18:15

readingatwork: Jan 8, 2009; Hello Fatty!; Fun Shoe

Agnosticnixie posted:

Also it's funny how suddenly the media shut the gently caress up about how horrible it was for Gabbard to like Modi when it turned out that both Harris and Neera Tanden were also fans.

Wait really? Haha holy poo poo!

# ? Aug 2, 2017 18:20

Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

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readingatwork posted:

Wait really? Haha holy poo poo!

harris is a modi fan? :chloe:

# ? Aug 2, 2017 18:21

Call Me Charlie: Dec 3, 2005; by Smythe

Kamala Harris wrote a book called Smart On Crime.

Transcribed from page 131

quote:

A lot of people told me not to take on this issue. They said the problem was too big to address and that there were no political benefits to wading into these waters. Frankly my staff winced at my plan. But, I started making phone calls and setting up meetings.

I went to the super intendent of the San Francisco Unified School District, and she convened a meeting with all the principals and administrators in the city. The room was packed. I shared with them how much I honor teachers and my gratitude for Mrs. Frances Wilson. I explained that I'm a proud product of the California public schools.

But then I got to the heart of the matter--- that a child going without an education is tantamount to a crime. And so, I said,
"I've decided to prosecute parents for truancy." The audience erupted. Half of the audience sneered and were visibly upset; the other half clapped and cheered out loud.

To many, this sounded radical. I was threatening the status quo. I knew that some teachers felt a sincere concern that law enforcement could not solve this problem, while others had accepted that the status quo on truancy was accepted at some level. But my position is we owe every child an education and we owe ourselves the addional inoculation against violence and crime that fighting truancy can bring.

The next thing I did was send out letter to every San Francisco parent with a child in public school, explaining that truancy is a crime and that I was prepared to begin prosecuting parents whose children were habitually truant.

That touched off a number of different reactions. On the lighter side, the parents least like to need that letter saw a chance to use it to their advantage. A friend called me, laughing, to say that when his wife opened the letter she called the children in and said, "Do you see this? This is from Kamala and if you don't go to school every single day, she's going to put you and me in jail!"

But what happened next was that principals who were routinely making calls to parents of truant children and never getting them returned had a new tool. Now, they could say, "Mrs. Green, we've been trying to reach you to discuss little Johnny. I do want you to know that our District Attorney has announced that she is going to start prosecuting parent who are not making sure their children are in school."

Those phone calls started to get returned.

Next, we set up what we call District Attorney Meditations. We sat down with the school district to identify students who were most chronically absent. I assigned prosecutors to go to meetings at schools between administrators and parents of truant children, and I encouraged them to look as stern as they could. Suddenly, the principals didn't just have to rely on convincing parents to take seriously the downside of not getting their children to school. There was a prosecutor sitting their glowering at them. There was the threat of prosecution.

jesus gently caress

# ? Aug 2, 2017 18:22

Crowsbeak: Oct 9, 2012; by Azathoth; Lipstick Apathy

Willie Tomg posted:

Von Ormy is a town in Texas that is overwhelmingly Latino which incorporated and destroyed itself in a libertarian experiment so as to not to be rolled into Those Uglier, Welfare Latinos a few minutes away in San Antonio.

No matter their surface presentation or party affiliation, do not underestimate the stupidity of politics centered in necessarily relative and ephemeral and constructed concepts like "ethnicity" or "freedom" and spiderwebbed outward, rather than identifying specific needs which are shared among people and addressing them.

Not that I doubt you but I would love to see an article about ancaps failing.

# ? Aug 2, 2017 18:24

C. Everett Koop: Aug 18, 2008

Who do you think calls Kamala "one of the good ones" more, repubs or dems?

I ain't even gonna spoiler this one it's the dems and by a landslide.

# ? Aug 2, 2017 18:24

ChairMaster: Aug 22, 2009; by R. Guyovich

Call Me Charlie posted:

Kamala Harris wrote a book called Smart On Crime.

Transcribed from page 131

jesus gently caress

Holy poo poo dude.

Nelly, I believe this is the direct quote you were looking for, any comment?

# ? Aug 2, 2017 18:25

Agnosticnixie: Jan 6, 2015

Condiv posted:

harris is a modi fan?

If I wanted to be fair I'd say she was being very deferential in a very public position to a visiting head of government and that it was just politicians' politeness even if the other guy is a fascist.

But then it looked like this.

https://twitter.com/SenKamalaHarris/status/878658287809564672

# ? Aug 2, 2017 18:25

Reik: Mar 8, 2004

Agnosticnixie posted:

If I wanted to be fair I'd say she was being very deferential in a very public position to a visiting head of government and that it was just politicians' politeness even if the other guy is a fascist.

But then it looked like this.

https://twitter.com/SenKamalaHarris/status/878658287809564672

Isn't India that place where they kill baby girls at alarming rates?

# ? Aug 2, 2017 18:27

Matt Zerella: Oct 7, 2002; Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)

Less Kamala Harris, more Nina Turner pls.

# ? Aug 2, 2017 18:28

Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

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Matt Zerella posted:

Less Kamala Harris, more Nina Turner pls.

paula swearengin did an ama on r/political_revolution today! she's primarying shitbird manchin

# ? Aug 2, 2017 18:29

Matt Zerella: Oct 7, 2002; Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)

Condiv posted:

paula swearengin did an ama on r/political_revolution today! she's primarying shitbird manchin

This is awesome. Unlike Kamala Harris who is really really bad and so are people who think she is good.

# ? Aug 2, 2017 18:31

Mister Facetious: Apr 21, 2007; I think I died and woke up in L.A.,
I don't know how I wound up in this place...

JailTrump posted:

People caring more about what is done to prisoners then what is done to non-imprisoned minorities irks me to no end.

gently caress you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ALgilFMkug

# ? Aug 2, 2017 18:34

Willie Tomg: Feb 2, 2006

Crowsbeak posted:

Not that I doubt you but I would love to see an article about ancaps failing.

The Rise and Fall of the Freest Little City in Texas

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Eggplant Squire: Aug 14, 2003

Harris will get eaten by Trump alive. She sounds like she's just as out of touch as Hillary.

If you think the Republicans aren't going to have third party actors flooding the air waves with those "send parents to jail" quotes you are nuts.

# ? Aug 2, 2017 18:38

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