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Liquid Drink posted:This is a crazy concept, but maybe if the democrats want to win in 2020 they elect a white or black male. Because this country isn't going to elect a woman, let alone a woman of color, in our current electoral college system. the new chair of the oklahoma dems is a woman. that shouldn't even be possible in the bible thumpinest, blood-reddest state. we're so conservative our soil is loving red i think you're mistaken on whether or not a woman can get elected president
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Liquid Drink posted:This is a crazy concept, but maybe if the democrats want to win in 2020 they elect a white or black male. Because this country isn't going to elect a woman, let alone a woman of color, in our current electoral college system. Bullshit.
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Lightning Lord posted:You don't have to, I'm just saying that not every critique of her is people saying they're going to take their ball and go home, and acting like it is, is being disingenuous IMO I walked the walk in 2016 so I'm not being disingenuous. All this new information puts Harris in the Gillibrand/Booker camp of irredeemable centrist trash that has to be defeated in 2020. That doesn't mean take your ball and go home because Hillary's moneymen are meeting with Harris. That means fight like hell in the primaries to try to get an actual progressive nominated. (when the dems nominate somebody like Zuckerberg/Gillbrand/Booker/Harris/Clinton/Biden/M. Obama, that's when I'll take my ball and go home)
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Condiv posted:the new chair of the oklahoma dems is a woman. that shouldn't even be possible in the bible thumpinest, blood-reddest state. we're so conservative our soil is loving red I just think this nation is more sexist than racist. Just my opinion. We shouldn't run on "in a perfect world" scenarios.
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Liquid Drink posted:This is a crazy concept, but maybe if the democrats want to win in 2020 they elect a white or black male. Because this country isn't going to elect a woman, let alone a woman of color, in our current electoral college system. How about we pick the candidate with the best policy agenda and not care about dumb bullshit like this? We just need candidates who wants to actually help the people of this country, and I don't care what their genitals or skin color are. Hillary didn't lose because of sexism.
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Liquid Drink posted:I just think this nation is more sexist than racist. Just my opinion. We shouldn't run on "in a perfect world" scenarios. we shouldn't run candidates specifically to cater to sexism either tho.
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WampaLord posted:How about we pick the candidate with the best policy agenda and not care about dumb bullshit like this? We just need candidates who wants to actually help the people of this country, and I don't care what their genitals or skin color are. I know you don't, I don't either. Many do.
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Liquid Drink posted:I know you don't, I don't either. Many do. We heard this same argument with Obama pre-2008 any time his polling dipped. "America won't elect a black president!" Now suddenly it's "only run white males or black males" lmao. What, no Latinos? People just want charismatic candidates who they think will represent their interests fairly. It's not hard to figure out.
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Condiv posted:we shouldn't run candidates specifically to cater to sexism either tho. I'm just looking at current candidates on our side and it seems like poo poo all around.
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Liquid Drink posted:I'm just looking at current candidates on our side and it seems like poo poo all around. we got bernie. we got paula. we got laura, we got iron stache, we got jaffe. we got a lot of good candidates, and new ones pop up every day
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I'm not pro Harris, I just think the discussion of the pros and cons of candidates is worthwhile. Having a tantrum like JC because people are doing it is just stupid.
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Liquid Drink posted:I'm just looking at current candidates on our side and it seems like poo poo all around. http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/bernie-sanders-leaders-of-the-democrats-231549 Good thing we got CENTRIST Bernie who is part of the CENTRIST failing Dems CENTRIST leadership team and campaigned last year for a CENTRIST slaveowner and voted for CENTRIST Chuck Schumer. I unironically support him for 2020 but that's what you can expect from CENTRIST filth like me. ps centrists
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Condiv posted:we got bernie. we got paula. we got laura, we got iron stache, we got jaffe. we got a lot of good candidates, and new ones pop up every day Almost none of these are prove politicians in the national scene are you kidding me? All it takes is one gaff.
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Does Harris support Single Payer? If not she and any other Dem can gently caress off forever.
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JeffersonClay posted:I've already quoted the law in question and I'm right. Yeah, that's why I added the second point (the first one wasn't said rhetorically, I actually didn't know if that was part of the law). Even in the best case, I don't see how this idea actually helps anything. Like, the ultimate punishment should just be having CPS take the children away; there's not really any situation where fining/imprisoning the parent leads to a superior outcome.
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Liquid Drink posted:If Harris gets the nomination, then Trump wins easily in 2020. I agree 100%. A women will not win a presidential election in my lifetime.
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Condiv posted:we got bernie. we got paula. we got laura, we got iron stache, we got jaffe. we got a lot of good candidates, and new ones pop up every day CENTRIST iron stache attacked GOOD LEFTISTS for not supporting CENTRIST Hillary hth http://progressivearmy.com/2017/06/25/is-iron-stache-randy-bryce-establishment-in-disguise/
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:No. Harris followed up with a bill that defines truancy as being absent or arriving more than 30 minutes late without a valid excuse three times in a school year. Chronic truancy is defined as missing more than 10% of school. The parents of chronically truant children can be prosecuted if the parents have already received services aimed at helping them support their children, and if the parents have not reasonably supervised and encouraged attendance. Harris did not prosecute, nor suggest prosecuting, simple truancy.
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JailTrump posted:Almost none of these are prove politicians in the national scene are you kidding me? Let me tell you the tale of a junior Senator named Barack Hussein Obama.
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BadOptics posted:Rehabilitation is for the alt-left, it would be better to just fine/jail everyone in this thread so they learn their place. /s Friendly reminder: this is the same Democratic Party that killed the AFDC for workfare, while simultaneously providing zero ability to actually help people get a job.
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Grand Theft Autobot posted:Does Harris support Single Payer? If not she and any other Dem can gently caress off forever. She said something like "I support single payer as a concept".
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yronic heroism posted:CENTRIST iron stache attacked GOOD LEFTISTS for not supporting CENTRIST Hillary hth Lol this guy has never run for office before much less won anything or been properly vetted and you your him as a potential presidential candidate. Jesus it's sad.
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Condiv posted:we got bernie. we got paula. we got laura, we got iron stache, we got jaffe. we got a lot of good candidates, and new ones pop up every day Look, I know your intentions here are good, but some of these people (you could argue pretty much all of them except Bernie) aren't intrinsically more reliable than pre-President Obama when it comes to progressive bona fides. I feel like you're just assuming anyone who opposes bad Democrats must be a good leftist, but that isn't really an assumption you can safely make. I think it makes sense to cautiously support people like this, but you're just setting yourself up for disappointment if you project all your own opinions onto these people. Like, I would prefer all those people to those they're running against and would vote for them if I lived in the relevant districts, but they don't exactly send many signals in the way of being leftist. Expressed support for single payer is probably the only thing that comes to mind, since expressing support for $15/hr minimum wage has become pretty mainstream at this point.
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Liquid Drink posted:I'm just looking at current candidates on our side and it seems like poo poo all around. It looks like poo poo because it is poo poo. The dems put all their eggs into the basket of "It'S hEr TuRn!!!!" and after eight years of Abuela the demographics of the nation would have changed enough that they could run any centrist piece of trash and walk their way to the White House. Instead they have no one viable for 2020, a non-existent bench because they've been getting their asses handed to them at the local level, and a youth demographic that's getting inducted into fascism via YouTube. Had the dems literally done nothing the past nine years, they'd be in better shape than they are right now. Completely pathetic.
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WampaLord posted:Let me tell you the tale of a junior Senator named Barack Hussein Obama. By this point in the cycle Obama was already a senator after serving as a state senator and had spoken on the national stage. He was also a Harvard graduate lawyer and editor of the Harvard law review. He was also a once in a lifetime politician with oratory skills that are up there with the best in history. Are you really comparing these people - half who have never held office period- with him? Because it's absolutely insane.
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It occurs to me: if you'd be satisfied and comfortable under Clinton, you'd be just as satisfied under Trump if you ignore his buffoonery.
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JailTrump posted:By this point in the cycle Obama was already a senator after serving as a state senator and had spoken on the national stage. He was also a Harvard graduate lawyer and editor of the Harvard law review. He was also a once in a lifetime politician with oratory skills that are up there with the best in history. If you're going to hold out for "a once in a lifetime politician with oratory skills that are up there with the best in history" then you're going to be waiting a long rear end while. My point was that "unknown on the national stage" isn't a disqualifier. And also Bernie is the most popular politician in America and is quite well known nationally.
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C. Everett Koop posted:Had the dems literally done nothing the past nine years, they'd be in better shape than they are right now. Completely pathetic. Of course any party not in power is better off in any election that one that is not.
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Oh, you guys are gonna love this: https://twitter.com/politico/status/892876700358520832
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Sneakster posted:It occurs to me: if you'd be satisfied and comfortable under Clinton, you'd be just as satisfied under Trump if you ignore his buffoonery. If by buffoonery you mean deporting my best friends father - sure. Shut the gently caress up.
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DaveWoo posted:Oh, you guys are gonna love this: No one is ever going to vote for this chucklefuck.
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Ytlaya posted:Look, I know your intentions here are good, but some of these people (you could argue pretty much all of them except Bernie) aren't intrinsically more reliable than pre-President Obama when it comes to progressive bona fides. I feel like you're just assuming anyone who opposes bad Democrats must be a good leftist, but that isn't really an assumption you can safely make. I think it makes sense to cautiously support people like this, but you're just setting yourself up for disappointment if you project all your own opinions onto these people. unlike most believe, i'm quite pragmatic. i just have limits to how far i'll compromise. all those candidates look good so far to me, and i haven't seen any major dealbreakers, so i'm happy about them yronic heroism posted:CENTRIST iron stache attacked GOOD LEFTISTS for not supporting CENTRIST Hillary hth this is idiotic. not surprising considering it's you
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JailTrump posted:Almost none of these are prove politicians in the national scene are you kidding me? *lives in a world where donald trump is president* *still believes one gaffe will sink a campaign* *is dumb af*
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JailTrump posted:If by buffoonery you mean deporting my best friends father - sure.
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DaveWoo posted:Oh, you guys are gonna love this: I might actually love this. Centrists are dumb enough he might actually suck enough air out of the room that he becomes the only viable centrist and a leftist can actually win the primary.
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Sneakster posted:It occurs to me: if you'd be satisfied and comfortable under Clinton, you'd be just as satisfied under Trump if you ignore his buffoonery. Sneakster posted:I'm not saying you're human garbage, but you've created an amazing simulation of it. 
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Condiv posted:this is idiotic. not surprising considering it's you It's idiotic to say endorsing Hillary and telling leftists to vote for her is centrist?  sounds like something a centrist would say.
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Al Borland Corp. posted:I might actually love this. Centrists are dumb enough he might actually suck enough air out of the room that he becomes the only viable centrist and a leftist can actually win the primary. He will win the primary if he runs.
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If you're just going to pursue the same policy with a different circus act, whats the difference? It's not a course correction, it's a presentation correction. Trump talks a good game.
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