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Trabisnikof posted:She certainly could have reduced the number of prison slaves in California if she had wanted to do so. It seems insane to me to think it is fine to keep adding thousands of people into slavery but somehow stopping a few people from exiting slavery is much much worse. explain? how could she have reduced the number of inmates? i agree we need to significantly reduce the inmate population in this country, so if you claim she's culpable in not doing anything about that i guess that's the case quote:Asking for a candidate that has never taken actions that led fellow humans into slavery isn't asking for perfection is it? that's not actually what i've asked for though? i've always criticized harris and clinton (specifically those two) wrt penal slavery because both had the power to not partake in one way or another, and both chose to anyway. harris kept people locked up that she was ordered to release, hillary (and bill) did not have to perpetuate using slave labor to staff the governor's mansion. and hillary definitely didn't have to wax eloquent about the (lacking) emotional intelligence of her wards. do you understand a little better?
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Condiv posted:explain? how could she have reduced the number of inmates? i agree we need to significantly reduce the inmate population in this country, so if you claim she's culpable in not doing anything about that i guess that's the case I'm saying Harris had the chance to keep people out of slavery by not prosecuting or pleading cases. I understand you're ok with slavery so long as it is blessed by a judge but I'm not. I want a candidate that has never taken actions that led a fellow human into slavery and I don't think that's asking for perfection.
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Lightning Lord posted:Stop with this disingenuous talking point you robot. Educational neglect is one of the legally defined areas of child neglect. Here's New York. http://codes.findlaw.com/ny/family-court-act/fct-sect-1012.html quote:“Neglected child” means a child less than eighteen years of age
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Trabisnikof posted:I'm happy we're finally shifting the discourse on this, it is slavery, but we should actually be loving serious about this and not just use it as a cudgel against some candidates while ignoring the pro-slavery history of another. Joe Biden I'm looking at your slaving rear end. https://ballotpedia.org/Colorado_Removal_of_Exception_to_Slavery_Prohibition_for_Criminals,_Amendment_T_(2016) Worth noting that Colorado almost banned this last year, it just narrowly lost. Dems refusing to call it slavery is absurd.
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JeffersonClay posted:Educational neglect is one of the legally defined areas of child neglect. Here's New York. It's also a CRIME leftists want to abolish CRIME! my god! *writes long winded posts about how leftists borrow right wing talking points*
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WampaLord posted:SHUT THE gently caress UP! This thread is old-style CSPAM, and it will be dumb Bernie Bros vs neoliberal Shill bots until the end of time. And I wouldn't have it any other way.
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NewForumSoftware posted:It's also a CRIME Yes, some of the leftists in this thread think Kamala Harris is unacceptable because she prosecuted child neglect. I agree that's real dumb.
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WampaLord posted:SHUT THE gently caress UP! Well since you ask so nicely and no one itt is insulting at all clearly I will accommodate these wishes. Like seriously, people get all butthurt about respectability politics and say Trump proved none of that poo poo matters, but for those in this thread trying to grow a movement or whatever, there is a hard ceiling of support for acting like an rear end in a top hat.
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JeffersonClay posted:Yes, some of the leftists in this thread think Kamala Harris is unacceptable because she prosecuted child neglect. I agree that's real dumb. https://twitter.com/dril/status/473265809079693312
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JeffersonClay posted:Yes, some of the leftists in this thread think Kamala Harris is unacceptable because she prosecuted child neglect. I agree that's real dumb. Kamala Harris is a bad candidate and thus should not run. Because she can't win. Because the leftists will torpedo anyone who doesn't pass their dumb purity tests. Only one option is left... Bernie 2020. For pragmatism. For decorum. For country. yronic heroism posted:Like seriously, people get all butthurt about respectability politics and say Trump proved none of that poo poo matters, but for those in this thread trying to grow a movement or whatever, there is a hard ceiling of support for acting like an rear end in a top hat. 
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I mean, I'm one of the few people trying to disabuse morons who can't tell the difference between democrats and republicans of their idiocy, but OK
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JeffersonClay posted:I mean, I'm one of the few people trying to disabuse morons who can't tell the difference between democrats and republicans of their idiocy, but OK the reason we can't tell the difference is because they are the same
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yronic heroism posted:Sicko centrist prof arrested Also, no one gets the LF references? Sad!
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Trabisnikof posted:I'm saying Harris had the chance to keep people out of slavery by not prosecuting or pleading cases. I understand you're ok with slavery so long as it is blessed by a judge but I'm not. but she actually has a job to enforce just laws. she cannot prevent the people entering the system from being used as slave labor just because she's AG, unless you think she should ignore all crimes. if you view that as government sanctioned slavery, well, you have the right of it. i don't think harris is to blame for that though if she was enforcing just laws unfortunately, kamala harris did a lot of other things though she does deserve the blame for, including enforcing unjust laws, not enforcing just laws, and fighting against the release of nonviolent offenders ordered released, among other things quote:I want a candidate that has never taken actions that led a fellow human into slavery and I don't think that's asking for perfection. ok. i'm hopeful we'll have a lot more candidates available in the future that appeal to you, and that we can move towards a more equitable society Condiv fucked around with this message at 01:05 on Aug 3, 2017 |
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JeffersonClay posted:I mean, I'm one of the few people trying to disabuse morons who can't tell the difference between democrats and republicans of their idiocy, but OK For someone who bitches about "right wing tactics" all the time you certainly have their knack for deliberately misrepresenting an issue.
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Trump is an rear end in a top hat, yeah, but he had one thing going for him. He popped the balloons of the sort of establishment politicians that most of the country thinks are also giant huge assholes. A centrist can't do that because centrists are the assholes in question.
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Would like to note, centrists lost to Trump, who the Democrats are now trying to snipe voters from. They're literally this empty on the inside, and JailTrump's Wife's uncle being targeted by a slight shift in historically high deportation rate doesn't really change this, but his pain eases my hate. Hence why Trump is polling better than Clinton.
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Condiv posted:but she actually has a job to prosecute cases and enforce just laws. she cannot prevent the people entering the system from being used as slave labor just because she's AG. if you view that as government sanctioned slavery, well, you have the right of it. i don't think harris is to blame for that though if she was enforcing just laws How can a law be just if it has slavery as a punishment? Prosecutors across this country routinely refuse to prosecute categories of crimes because they consider the punishment unjust. Harris could have done that but she choose not to exercise her prosecutorial discretion and prosecuted these people knowing slavery was part of their punishment. Just because slavery is legalized doesn't make it just.
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WampaLord posted:For someone who bitches about "right wing tactics" all the time you certainly have their knack for deliberately misrepresenting an issue. What exactly am I misrepresenting? Educational neglect is a subset of child neglect. People are advocating decriminalizing it.
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quote:but she actually has a job to prosecute cases and enforce just laws. Funny how for centrist dems this duty to prosecute doesn't seem to apply to the crimes of bankers or torturers. And for some reason the call to duty is heard more clearly when the accused is black and/or poor. FuriousxGeorge fucked around with this message at 01:11 on Aug 3, 2017 |
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NewForumSoftware posted:Its good to remember that like 90% of Democrats support the Bern and we just have a few of the diehard hillarymen left over from the great primary war of 2016 "If millennial voters were smart they'd have a good job and wouldn't be living in their parents' house! We know better!"  - centrist boomers The Clintonites won't get it until they're actually forced out by the audacity of the younger generation. Mister Facetious fucked around with this message at 01:08 on Aug 3, 2017 |
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JeffersonClay posted:What exactly am I misrepresenting? Educational neglect is a subset of child neglect. People are advocating decriminalizing it. He can't be this stupid... it's not possible
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Condiv posted:do you mean the unjust prison labor? kamala harris doesn't catch flack for that, she catches flack for literally fighting to keep people in prison so the state of california could continue to benefit from their labor. Serious chat: what is this trying to say? Are you saying the state made more keeping them incarcerated than it would save by releasing them?
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JeffersonClay posted:What exactly am I misrepresenting? Educational neglect is a subset of child neglect. People are advocating decriminalizing it. Take a step back from yourself and realize what people are actually driving at here, it's been explained to you over and over again and you are being deliberately dense. Kamela Harris did not have to advocate for locking up parents of children with truancy issues. People in this thread view that approach as being focused on punishment and not rehabilitation. No one wants anything "decriminalized" wrt child neglect.
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NewForumSoftware posted:He can't be this stupid... it's not possible So is this a "yes, I advocate decriminalizing some child neglect" or "no, I don't advocate decriminalizing some child neglect" because I can't tell.
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JeffersonClay posted:So is this a "yes, I advocate decriminalizing some child neglect" or "no, I don't advocate decriminalizing some child neglect" because I can't tell. where'd that some come from all of a sudden? don't backpedal now it's just getting good
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FuriousxGeorge posted:Funny how for centrist dems this duty to prosecute doesn't seem to apply to the crimes of bankers or torturers. And now the argument is that a duty to prosecute justifies sending someone into slavery. WampaLord posted:Kamela Harris did not have to advocate for locking up parents of children with truancy issues. And yet she did actually have to send people into slavery and that's not her fault.
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NewForumSoftware posted:Its good to remember that like 90% of Democrats support the Bern and we just have a few of the diehard hillarymen left over from the great primary war of 2016 NewForumSoftware posted:He can't be this stupid... it's not possible
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WampaLord posted:Take a step back from yourself and realize what people are actually driving at here, it's been explained to you over and over again and you are being deliberately dense. Kamala Harris advocated locking up parents who willfully neglected their children's education. Educational neglect is a subset of child neglect. Ergo, people who disagree with Kamala Harris' decision to prosecute willful educational neglect want to decriminalize educational neglect, and therefore want to decriminalize some child neglect. This doesn't seem particularly complicated.
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Why do you keep saying "some". Those leftists wanted to decriminalize child abuse, you said it yourself.JeffersonClay posted:This is some seriously unhinged poo poo. You think the state should stop prosecuting child abuse. I mean yikes, let's clear this up ASAP.
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Trabisnikof posted:How can a law be just if it has slavery as a punishment? if you're arguing all laws are unjust and shouldn't be followed, well... i'm not that extremist i think we should get rid of slavery as a punishment ASAP, but that's gonna take a lot of effort quote:Prosecutors across this country routinely refuse to prosecute categories of crimes because they consider the punishment unjust. Harris could have done that but she choose not to exercise her prosecutorial discretion and prosecuted these people knowing slavery was part of their punishment. but according to your criterion, all laws would be unjust and she should not prosecute anyone quote:Just because slavery is legalized doesn't make it just. who said it is?
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JeffersonClay posted:Kamala Harris advocated locking up parents who willfully neglected their children's education. Educational neglect is a subset of child neglect. Ergo, people who disagree with Kamala Harris' decision to prosecute willful educational neglect want to decriminalize educational neglect, and therefore want to decriminalize some child neglect. Well, I tried. Have fun deluding yourself and spinning every argument in this thread to make us look like idiot children while you remain wise and above it all. You should get a job on  , they'd loving love you there.Discretion in prosecuting != decriminalization, for the record.
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Al Borland Corp. posted:It's gonna be a bizarre primary. It's going to be more stuffed than 2015's Republican primary, debates will look like a trainwreck. Except it will be a stage full of mostly good people with reasonable positions who want to use government to help the poor, with minor disagreements of how to do that. "minor"
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WampaLord posted:You should get a job on
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Condiv posted:if you're arguing all laws are unjust and shouldn't be followed, well... i'm not that extremist You're the one who keeps calling laws that carry slavery as a punishment just: Condiv posted:but she actually has a job to enforce just laws. Harris had plenty of options to punish criminals without sending them to slavery. Take a look towards the punishment for financial crimes: probation, fines and court mandated treatment/support programs.
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Trabisnikof posted:And now the argument is that a duty to prosecute justifies sending someone into slavery. what's the alternative? just not do her job until she's replaced? doesn't make a lot of sense, and it wouldn't really accomplish anything either quote:And yet she did actually have to send people into slavery and that's not her fault. what is wrong with you? are you gonna start endorsing her truancy bs too?
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I personally don't have a problem with the state prosecuting willful educational neglect of children, but that's me, and I'm not a left twitter superstar, so
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JeffersonClay posted:I personally don't have a problem with the state prosecuting willful educational neglect of children, but that's me, and I'm not a left twitter superstar, so Good news, you've made it to where everyone else is. Now, what are the best ways to deal with this crime? Heavy fines and jail time? For argument's sake let's pretend we're actually trying to improve the outcome of the child's life.
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JeffersonClay posted:I personally don't have a problem with the state prosecuting willful educational neglect of children, but that's me, and I'm not a left twitter superstar, so Keep that spinning up, JC! If you spin hard enough, you won't have to feel guilty about your total lack of integrity, muttering to yourself that you truly care about the poor as you drive into your gated neighborhood. Seriously, are you secretly 60 or a CEO? What drives you to hate the idea of leftism so fiercely that you must fight it at every corner?
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