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NewForumSoftware
Oct 8, 2016

by Lowtax

Willie Tomg posted:

I hate this thread for a lot of reasons, but that its made me aware of Single Issue Weed Voters is in the top... five? idk. i don't like thinking about it, really.

:cry: people care about things

you gotta be a loving idiot if you look at America and say "hmm, why would people oppose the drug war?"

NewForumSoftware fucked around with this message at 17:01 on Aug 3, 2017

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Harold Fjord
Jan 3, 2004
Ok, who did it?

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/892928959289192448

I'm dying here.

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES

NewForumSoftware posted:

:cry: people care about things

It seems like the only way to get poo poo done is Tea Party-esque, "I will burn this motherfucker to the ground," style hoopla.

Unless you're dealing with someone actually interested in your agenda. Then 'incrementalism' switches from a neolib con job to actual incrementalism.


Edit:

The comments on that tweet are disgusting. Women and minorities are just subhuman props to them, like human-shaped talking sticks.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Willie Tomg posted:

I hate this thread for a lot of reasons, but that its made me aware of Single Issue Weed Voters is in the top... five? idk. i don't like thinking about it, really.

You only just found out about those?



You haven't even started to learn of the Corncob Saga.

FuriousxGeorge
Aug 8, 2007

We've been the best team all year.

They're just finding out.

Willie Tomg posted:

I hate this thread for a lot of reasons, but that its made me aware of Single Issue Weed Voters is in the top... five? idk. i don't like thinking about it, really.

I think I'm the only that guy here. I'm not really single issue on pot, it's just being bad on the issue is a dealbreaker. Like, I wouldn't vote for John Edwards because he was loving his mistress when his wife was dying of cancer, but I'm not a single issue voter on not making the life of your partner a living hell as they die.

NewForumSoftware
Oct 8, 2016

by Lowtax

Accretionist posted:

It seems like the only way to get poo poo done is Tea Party-esque, "I will burn this motherfucker to the ground," style hoopla.

Unless you're dealing with someone actually interested in your agenda. Then 'incrementalism' switches from a neolib con job to actual incrementalism.

Pro tip for all the idiot lesser of two evil dinguses.

If you vote for baby bombing slaveowning bank puppets that's what you'll get.

Willie Tomg
Feb 2, 2006

NewForumSoftware posted:

:cry: people care about things

And getting Cory Booker a primary presence on the basis of his token weed stance will be one of them.

NewForumSoftware
Oct 8, 2016

by Lowtax

Willie Tomg posted:

And getting Cory Booker a primary presence on the basis of his token weed stance will be one of them.

who cares? he'll lose

Razputeen
Dec 19, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

Willie Tomg posted:

I hate this thread for a lot of reasons, but that its made me aware of Single Issue Weed Voters is in the top... five? idk. i don't like thinking about it, really.

There's something to be said for supporting candidate x over candidate y if x supports marijuana legalization and they're both otherwise the horrorshows the DNC is inevitably going to wheel out strapped upright to a gurney wearing a muzzle. That said I also think the single issue weed people are silly

NewForumSoftware
Oct 8, 2016

by Lowtax
i don't see what's so bad about single issue weed voters

the criminalization of marijuana has been a horrific social experiment and decrim/legalization is the first step towards reversing the war on drugs

Futuresight
Oct 11, 2012

IT'S ALL TURNED TO SHIT!

The comments are worth reading if you're a lefty white supremacist Russian plant.

WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010

NewForumSoftware posted:

i don't see what's so bad about single issue weed voters

the criminalization of marijuana has been a horrific social experiment and decrim/legalization is the first step towards reversing the war on drugs

Are you serious? You don't see the problem with people being swayed by a centrist who's awful in every other respect but is pro-weed?

Condiv
May 7, 2008

Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod


WampaLord posted:

Are you serious? You don't see the problem with people being swayed by a centrist who's awful in every other respect but is pro-weed?

he's not even pro-weed from what i've read. he's pro paying for weed legalization advocacy? or something? something about getting individual states to legalize it. which is about as worthwhile as hillary's plan to encourage public option on a state by state basis

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

WampaLord posted:

Are you serious? You don't see the problem with people being swayed by a centrist who's awful in every other respect but is pro-weed?

At least it's not conservatives who are pro-weed. (IE, libertarians)

NewForumSoftware
Oct 8, 2016

by Lowtax

WampaLord posted:

Are you serious? You don't see the problem with people being swayed by a centrist who's awful in every other respect but is pro-weed?

those people don't exist

Mecha Gojira
Jun 23, 2006

Jack Nissan
Probably has to do with the fact that single-issue weed voters are easily coopted by libertarians.

I'm personally offended by the states' and municipalities' rights aspect of it, since that means individual states or even towns or counties can still prosecute against people. Remember when we made of Ron Paul for wanting to destroy the Federal War on Drugs only the start 50 state level Wars on Drugs almost a decade ago?

shrike82
Jun 11, 2005

NFS voted for Gary Johnson because of his weed policy.
That pretty much sums his world view

FuriousxGeorge
Aug 8, 2007

We've been the best team all year.

They're just finding out.
^ That was me, and it wasn't single issue on weed.

Condiv posted:

he's not even pro-weed from what i've read. he's pro paying for weed legalization advocacy? or something? something about getting individual states to legalize it. which is about as worthwhile as hillary's plan to encourage public option on a state by state basis

His plan is to federally legalize and encourage the states to do the same. It's the most progressive plan I've seen proposed on the issue and goes further than Bernie's proposal.

NewForumSoftware
Oct 8, 2016

by Lowtax

shrike82 posted:

NFS voted for Gary Johnson because of his weed policy.
That pretty much sums his world view

lol no, if you go third party go ham

why compromise if you have no chance of winning, just sit on the sidelines and go "here's what I wanted, better luck next time at getting my vote"

but I mean, Gary Johnson voters are more likely to ally with the left than Hillary Clinton voters fwiw

JailTrump
Jul 14, 2017

by FactsAreUseless

NewForumSoftware posted:

:cry: people care about things

you gotta be a loving idiot if you look at America and say "hmm, why would people oppose the drug war?"


Hey here's an idea...how about you not do something that's illegal instead of bitching about it all the time?

I loving hate potheads. And my generation for being such loving potheads. Cheap escapism for people incapable of coping with the realities of life.

And they're like "Hey bro man it's a free country" when they find out doing something illegal will get you arrested.

WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010

NewForumSoftware posted:

those people don't exist

Then why are you defending them?

NewForumSoftware
Oct 8, 2016

by Lowtax

JailTrump posted:

Hey here's an idea...how about you not do something that's illegal instead of bitching about it all the time?

I loving hate potheads. And my generation for being such loving potheads. Cheap escapism for people incapable of coping with the realities of life.

And they're like "Hey bro man it's a free country" when they find out doing something illegal will get you arrested.

The fountain of bad opinions returns for a second day

WampaLord posted:

Then why are you defending them?

I'm talking about pro-weed centrists, not single issue weed voters

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES

Razputeen posted:

single issue weed people are silly

"Silly," might be a bit much.

I don't care about weed, but I care about legal weed because of the knock-on effects.

Legalizing weed would:
  • Move billions in annual revenues out of the informal economy (e.g. cartels) into the formal economy (e.g. $PM)
    • Mitigates organized crime's wealth and growth
    • Improves US economy
  • Takes law enforcement's favorite MacGuffin away
    • Dampens War on Drugs
    • Dampens police militarization
    • Mitigate/reverse mass incarceration
  • yield product-substitution
    • Reduced consumption of more harmful/dangerous drugs, which will --
    • -- reduce the social harm from such drugs (e.g. alcoholism -> beating your kids)

That's just off the top of my head and I didn't even touch on medicine and hemp's remaining uses.


Edit: Even if they're single-issue as a lifestyle consideration, I'd still weight their position according to the above.

If I were British and single-issue about free, unfettered internet porn as a lifestyle consideration, the position's seriousness would be still benefit from freedom and privacy considerations.

Accretionist fucked around with this message at 17:22 on Aug 3, 2017

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

JailTrump posted:

Hey here's an idea...how about you not do something that's illegal instead of bitching about it all the time?

I loving hate potheads. And my generation for being such loving potheads. Cheap escapism for people incapable of coping with the realities of life.

And they're like "Hey bro man it's a free country" when they find out doing something illegal will get you arrested.

Well here we go, all the black people should just stop smoking weed, pull up their pants and get a haircut.

WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010

NewForumSoftware posted:

I'm talking about pro-weed centrists, not single issue weed voters

NewForumSoftware posted:

i don't see what's so bad about single issue weed voters

:confused:

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/893140804767813633

NewForumSoftware
Oct 8, 2016

by Lowtax

this isn't that hard

single issue weed voters = exist, good thing

pro weed centrists = don't exist, nothing to worry about

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

NewForumSoftware posted:

this isn't that hard

single issue weed voters = exist, good thing

pro weed centrists = don't exist, nothing to worry about

Anyone voting on a single issue is A Bad Thing actually.

Iron Twinkie
Apr 20, 2001

BOOP


https://twitter.com/realdasein/status/893142205438844929

:psyduck:
These people are completely out of their loving minds!

NewForumSoftware
Oct 8, 2016

by Lowtax

Majorian posted:

Anyone voting on a single issue is A Bad Thing actually.

Alright man tell that to a family that grew up without a father because he was in jail for 25 years for smoking a joint in the wrong place.

Single Issue single payer voters are also a good thing

Single issue anti-war voters are also a good thing

these are the people you can build a coalition with

Reik
Mar 8, 2004
From the context I figured it was referring to fly-over states with all their corn fields. Like, Kamala is the bland and generic fly-over state candidate. Kind of like being milquetoast.

WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010

NewForumSoftware posted:

single issue weed voters = exist, good thing

But they're a bad thing, that's the point I'm trying to get at! Because they'll vote for a terrible loving candidate as long as they're pro-weed.

NewForumSoftware
Oct 8, 2016

by Lowtax

WampaLord posted:

But they're a bad thing, that's the point I'm trying to get at! Because they'll vote for a terrible loving candidate as long as they're pro-weed.

Again, those people do not exist

if you're talking like single issue the federal government leaves my medical marijuana program alone that's different

i mean, single issue weed voters might have to settle for johnson now, but its not like we can't do better

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

NewForumSoftware posted:

Alright man tell that to a family that grew up without a father because he was in jail for 25 years for smoking a joint in the wrong place.

I have a feeling that family would agree that one should vote on more issues than just weed legalization. For example, prison reform.

Eggplant Squire
Aug 14, 2003


Seriously laughing at the democrats that don't get the corncob reference so it must be indicative of Russian bots bad English. These people are seriously as nuts as Trump maga types.

WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010

NewForumSoftware posted:

Again, those people do not exist

Are you trying to gaslight me?

NewForumSoftware posted:

this isn't that hard

single issue weed voters = exist, good thing

pro weed centrists = don't exist, nothing to worry about

NewForumSoftware posted:

single issue weed voters = exist, good thing

NewForumSoftware posted:

single issue weed voters = exist

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

NewForumSoftware posted:

Again, those people do not exist

Mmmm, they do actually. A lot of them voted for Gary Johnson and Jill Stein, and a lot of them are shilling for Tulsi Gabbard now.

Sorry you picked such a dumbass hill to die on bro.

FuriousxGeorge
Aug 8, 2007

We've been the best team all year.

They're just finding out.
Wow, sounds like a massive voter block. I recommend pandering to them.

Condiv
May 7, 2008

Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod


Radish posted:

Seriously laughing at the democrats that don't get the corncob reference so it must be indicative of Russian bots bad English. These people are seriously as nuts as Trump maga types.

it's just another "millenials!" thing

the dems literally cannot comprehend the younger generations cause they're filled from top to bottom with ancient geezer deadwood

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NewForumSoftware
Oct 8, 2016

by Lowtax

WampaLord posted:

Are you trying to gaslight me?

lol that you still haven't figured out that the "PRO WEED CENTRIST BOOGEYMAN" is what doesn't exist, not the single issue voter

what is wrong with your short-term memory? are you a single issue weed voter?

Majorian posted:

Mmmm, they do actually. A lot of them voted for Gary Johnson and Jill Stein, and a lot of them are shilling for Tulsi Gabbard now.

Sorry you picked such a dumbass hill to die on bro.

Tulsi Gabbard would be a step in the right direction fyi

Let's not let perfect be the enemy of good friend

also people voting third party instead of voting D or R is also a good thing, so more power to johnson and stein

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