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Azerban
Oct 28, 2003



is there a guy who follows JT around with a bag collecting his poo poo for later incineration like Trump has?

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EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005

NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?
Fun Shoe
A true Canadian poo poo is the poo poo you take after coming home from a camping weekend where you ate nothing but meat and potatoes, and then stop at a restaurant on your way home and order a big rear end salad because you have a massive jones for vegetables, gracing your digestive system with the first hint of fiber it's had in four days.

EvidenceBasedQuack
Aug 15, 2015

A rock has no detectable opinion about gravity

Postess with the Mostest posted:

fb posted:

Just wanted to pipe in as I read this thread. I usually stay out of things but can't this time <3 John seems to think he knows what he is talking about...not. He speaks of there not being any 'scientific' evidence. Young Living Oils are actually registered with Health Canada as Natural Health Products, which means that they have found enough scientific proof that certain oils (over 50 of them to be exact) can aid and help certain health issues, like stress, eczema, arthritis and stomach problems. Obviously he doesn't know it all. I actually have an oil blend called 'common sense'...I am willing to share lol


Been at work so I missed this discussion where I can make quality posts.

Natural Health Products (NHPs) require almost no evidence to be approved.

The first step in order to market snake oil is determining that it is not a pharmaceutical according to the Food and Drugs Regulations. For instance intravenous products or treatments for cancer are treated as pharmaceuticals and therefore must provide sufficient proof of efficacy and the benefits must outweigh the harms. Patient populations and available treatment options are considered.

NHPs do not require proof of efficacy. Just a statement explaining that someone somewhere believes it works. There is a safety component to the application, but since NHPs are not investigated using robust randomized controlled trials, lack of evidence that the product is harmful is good enough for authorization. So basically NHPs are rubbberstamped to market. :eng99:

Even if assessment officers have PhDs or medical degrees, Canadian laws are business friendly when it comes to alternative medicine.

I'm echoing Risky Biscuit: high acetaminophen doses cause liver damage, not NSAIDs (one would have to take massive amounts).

NSAIDs also have a terrible reputation. I agree they are possibly overused, but the cardiovascular risks (which are 3-5x higher than placebo) are still low in the general population. For patients at low risk, Celebrex and Vioxx, the more maligned NSAIDs, are amazing. Context is key.

Much of the love for alternative medicine stems from mistrust and misunderstanding of the medical practice. So don't expect proponents to have sound arguments.

The placebo effect is real and some natural products do have a clinically significant effect. Once evaluated they become pharmaceuticals...

EvidenceBasedQuack
Aug 15, 2015

A rock has no detectable opinion about gravity

Dreylad posted:

"Wellness" is also a multi-billion dollar industry that slings all sorts of herbal remedies that's tied to naturopathy and homeopathy and all sorts of bullshit. The medical system not being great at listening to patients is definitely an issue that's being addressed, if unequally, but people found out that there's a shitload of money to be made in selling people everything from herbal teas that'll cure what ails ya to jade eggs for your vagina.

Medical science is near miraculous given the advances we made in the past two centuries, but it cannot cure every single problem people have right now, or it's been misused/politicized in certain situations and that's lead to suspicion and distrust of its practitioners, unfortunately.

It's interesting to highlight that Big Pharma also have huge stakes in the Natural Health Products industry. Not a coincidence.

I'm with you that there are systemic issues with modern medicine. Pain treatment options are limited. We can't dispense opioids like candy because, you know, opioid crisis. NSAIDs might be helpful for rheumatoid pain but should be avoided in a subset of patients. Gabapentinoids might work for neuropathic pain, etc. We don't have magic bullets and some patient have zero effective safe options. So it's whichever placebo that make them feel best.

I'm hoping that marijuana (marihuana as per our government) legalization will lead to good data on potential roles for pain treatment... Still, I doubt 420 will solve everything.

EvidenceBasedQuack
Aug 15, 2015

A rock has no detectable opinion about gravity

ZShakespeare posted:

long term use of acetaminophen and NSAIDs can be harmful, and opioids are addictive

True for opioids.

Patients using acetaminophen or NSAIDs do not develop tolerance and physical dependence within several orders of magnitude to what you get with opioids.

Psychological dependence is different. But one is just as likely to become psychologically dependent on any given non-traditional treatment if it engages rewarding processes.

(For example, not feeling pain is a form of reward in that context)

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
i hear u but my guru swami gojinder charmanderashnanak says that NATURAL and TRADITIONAL medicine is cleansing and effective for the soul while WESTERN MEDICINE is toxic and

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001

EvidenceBasedQuack posted:

I'm hoping that marijuana (marihuana as per our government) legalization will lead to good data on potential roles for pain treatment... Still, I doubt 420 will solve everything.

It definitely wont, but ideally we can figure out a way to open up various controlled drugs to medical research again to provide more options for me. Supposedly (with zero scientific rigour so I realize I'm being a hypocrite here) migraines have been treated effectively by microdosing LSD. But good luck trying to get clearance for that experiment.

Stretch Marx
Apr 29, 2008

I'm ok with this.

CLAM DOWN posted:

Nothing is more satisfying than a massive dump.

As a person with Crohn's Disease I would like to say that this is not true.

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

Dreylad posted:

It definitely wont, but ideally we can figure out a way to open up various controlled drugs to medical research again to provide more options for me. Supposedly (with zero scientific rigour so I realize I'm being a hypocrite here) migraines have been treated effectively by microdosing LSD. But good luck trying to get clearance for that experiment.

There are rigorous microdosing trials underway now, with large N and encouraging results. We'll get to the science long before we get to permission to administer.

(I microdose LSD-1P every 3 days, with the blessing of my psychiatrist, as an intervention for depression. It has been delightfully effective.)

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe

Stretch Marx posted:

As a person with Crohn's Disease I would like to say that this is not true.

oh so we're now calling gluten intolerance crohn's disease huh

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe

Subjunctive posted:

There are rigorous microdosing trials underway now, with large N and encouraging results. We'll get to the science long before we get to permission to administer.

(I microdose LSD-1P every 3 days, with the blessing of my psychiatrist, as an intervention for depression. It has been delightfully effective.)

:pcgaming:

Wirth1000
May 12, 2010

#essereFerrari

PT6A posted:

I think we've finally found something the whole thread -- nay, all of humanity -- can agree on.


Stretch Marx posted:

As a person with Crohn's Disease I would like to say that this is not true.

Welp, that didn't last very long.

Gonna go vote Conservative now.

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

https://twitter.com/canadiancynic/status/893115824499822592

im glad we have low taxes so responsible private citizens can spend their hard earned money on whatever they choose! we definitely shouldn't take away rich people's money you guys, that would be extremely bad

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
guess what if you hadn't posted that tweet no one would ever know about slashed tires let alone who the gently caress laura loomer is

or maybe you just want to up your postcount have you considered a running critique of everything posted on stromfront

RealityWarCriminal
Aug 10, 2016

:o:

DariusLikewise posted:

What kind of poops does the Prime Minister have? A special report by Ezra Levant

*opens liberalparrtypolicy.pdf*

Reince Penis
Nov 15, 2007

by R. Guyovich

namaste faggots posted:

guess what if you hadn't posted that tweet no one would ever know about slashed tires let alone who the gently caress laura loomer is

or maybe you just want to up your postcount have you considered a running critique of everything posted on stromfront

People have been mocking her over it all day on twitter :eng101:

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


Reince Penis posted:

People have been mocking her over it all day on twitter :eng101:

mocking her all the way to the bank

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001

Subjunctive posted:

There are rigorous microdosing trials underway now, with large N and encouraging results. We'll get to the science long before we get to permission to administer.

(I microdose LSD-1P every 3 days, with the blessing of my psychiatrist, as an intervention for depression. It has been delightfully effective.)

Oh good, I'm really glad the research is being done.

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

https://twitter.com/robshaw_vansun/status/892859243404984320

https://twitter.com/ausername/status/892868053360197634

Lobok
Jul 13, 2006

Say Watt?

EvilJoven posted:

A true Canadian poo poo is the poo poo you take after coming home from a camping weekend where you ate nothing but meat and potatoes, and then stop at a restaurant on your way home and order a big rear end salad because you have a massive jones for vegetables, gracing your digestive system with the first hint of fiber it's had in four days.

This is true. There's something about a post-camping poo poo, probably because without even forming the conscious thought your eyes take in the [non-] bathroom situation while camping and your bowels are like "nuff said" and saves as much of the experience as possible until you're sitting on a real toilet once more.

EvidenceBasedQuack
Aug 15, 2015

A rock has no detectable opinion about gravity

Lain Iwakura posted:

Long-term use of any medication that is processed by the liver is harmful.

It's not exactly true though. Acetaminophen is the poster child of liver toxicity. But so is alcohol (in a completely different way). A lot more than medications are metabolized by liver enzymes. Some pharmaceutical substances have no more a damaging effect than food or normal aging.

Likewise, not just medications have an effect on liver function. Grapefruit juice significantly decreases certain liver metabolic pathways while St. John's Wort has the opposite effect.

Fun fact: many natural products are laced with pharmaceuticals (e.g. viagra, aspirin, opioids, and more) because these compounds are cheap to make and effective. Once identified (surprise testing) they get recalled... But we need inspectors to catch them.

DariusLikewise
Oct 4, 2008

You wore that on Halloween?

THC posted:

https://twitter.com/canadiancynic/status/893115824499822592

im glad we have low taxes so responsible private citizens can spend their hard earned money on whatever they choose! we definitely shouldn't take away rich people's money you guys, that would be extremely bad

That's not a slashed tire lmao

heehee
Sep 5, 2012

haha wow i cant believe how lucky we got to win :D
THC doesn't post the most/only important/relevant part of that, where some guy points out that it's just an old as gently caress tire that hit a curb and she tweets about being upset at people not "defending me and my tire"

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

Unable to deal with it


Grimey Drawer

the trump tutelage posted:

Is... Is it worth getting?

if you have problems going for whatever reasons or you're just full of poo poo in general yeah, I've actually found it noticeably helpful

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

heeheex2 posted:

THC doesn't post the most/only important/relevant part of that, where some guy points out that it's just an old as gently caress tire that hit a curb and she tweets about being upset at people not "defending me and my tire"

https://twitter.com/LauraLoomer/status/892896573197357057/photo/1

tfw you realize the CHUDs that follow you are dumb enough to give you $17k to replace your ratty rear end tires.

Who knows, maybe the culprit took a disk sander to them first.

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


There was some dude in calgary that claimed someone ran barbed wire across a biking trail and it cut his neck, and then started a gofundme to get some money out of the deal.

The cops figured out he was full of poo poo and charged him with fraud. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/stelianos-psaroudakis-west-bragg-creek-charged-fraud-1.4216322

I wonder if the cops know they started a fundraiser over it.

James Baud
May 24, 2015

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
.

James Baud fucked around with this message at 12:25 on Aug 26, 2018

heehee
Sep 5, 2012

haha wow i cant believe how lucky we got to win :D
Did y'all get tested for migraines or is it just painful headaches

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

BC Liberal caucus retreat “was really ugly”

quote:

In what she said was her last news conference as a public figure, ex-Premier Christy Clark told reporters that none of her 42 fellow BC Liberal MLAs wanted her to quit the party leadership.

But after a walk on a beach, she did so anyway, for the good of the party. Because her head caught up with her heart.

“I talked to the caucus the day before [her July 28 resignation], I asked them all, did they want me to stay, did they want me to go?” Clark said July 31 in Vancouver. “Every single person in the room asked me to stay.”

That is not the way it went down, according to two independent sources intimately familiar with the caucus retreat at the Penticton Lakeside Resort. Clark chose to quit instead of being dumped.


Clark had repeatedly vowed to stick around as both the MLA for Kelowna West and the opposition leader — “as long as my caucus wants me to” — after losing the June 29 confidence vote that led to the NDP’s John Horgan becoming premier. The June 22 “clone speech,” which copped parts of the NDP and Green platforms that her party campaigned against, backfired and threw the party into an identity crisis. She was a lame duck.

The sources told theBreaker that, during the retreat, Abbotsford South MLA Darryl Plecas demanded a review of Clark’s leadership. He even threatened to quit caucus and sit as an independent when the Legislature reopens this fall.

Plecas was not alone in the release of pent-up anger directed at Clark. Of the prevailing mood at the retreat, one of the sources said bluntly: “It was really ugly.”

The pivotal Penticton meeting came two weeks after theBreaker revealed details of closed-door BC Liberal campaign post-mortems in Vancouver and Surrey. Defeated cabinet minister and former adman Peter Fassbender (Surrey-Fleetwood) was said to be the harshest critic: “She lost it for us. Period. End of story.”

(cont.)

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

Meanwhile the $500,000 a year liberal LNG shill who filed no reports in 5 years on the job is very angry about being fired and owned online

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
You know what really assaults my loving brain? Bao bei and the white people braying about how great it is

My migraines would be cured in a second if all white people euthanized themselves

HookShot
Dec 26, 2005
My mom got mad at me because I was going to use my codeine pills as a sleep aid on the plane and told me I was going to get addicted.

So I showed her on the label where my 3/4 full bottle had been prescribed to me in 2015 and said I could probably mis-use one pill on a single flight and be fine.

the talent deficit
Dec 20, 2003

self-deprecation is a very british trait, and problems can arise when the british attempt to do so with a foreign culture





Baronjutter posted:

Oh also a fun part of the Canadian health system is a shocking number of GP's and nurses buy into this poo poo. I had to switch between 3 GP's because they kept telling me to try a bunch of natural crap proven to do nothing and would talk about how we have so much to learn from the east and their natural cures. Last time my grandpa was in the hospital after a heart attack all the loving nurses were "off the record" commending him for refusing all the drugs and only using "natural" stuff and telling him how toxic and bad all the drugs big pharma makes them give their patients are. For his dangerous blood pressure they were strongly pushing him to just load up on miso soup and oil of oregano and good for you saying no to all the evil big pharma blood pressure medicine. This is IN the hospital.

Not only do we need to crack down big time on the whole snake oil industry in Canada, but we need to root it out of the actual medical system.

the answer to 'alternative' medicine is to bring it inside the existing health system. let people be naturopaths or traditional chinese medicine practicioners or alchemists or whatever but have them share patient records with the rest of the health system and make sure they have oversight. if someone thinks acupuncture or those stupid hologram bracelets are helping them - that's great! - let them continue but make sure that they are doing it alongside conventional medicine in regular medical clinics and hospitals and not in some strip mall 'healing centre'

Femtosecond
Aug 2, 2003

THC posted:

BC Liberal caucus retreat “was really ugly”

...

Peter Fassbender (Surrey-Fleetwood) was said to be the harshest critic: “She lost it for us. Period. End of story.”



lol ok. Maybe if Minister responsible for Translink Fassbender had actually delivered on any sort of transit expansion whatsoever while the Federal Liberals were dangling bags of cash to do so he would have been reelected and the Liberals wouldn't have gotten roasted in Metro Vancouver.

I bet Abbotsford South MLA Darryl Plecas probably thinks they weren't right wing enough. What a bunch of clueless morons.

HookShot
Dec 26, 2005
Realtalk though western acupuncture with IMS needles is the loving bomb, I hosed up my back at the gym a few weeks ago and it was killing me after skiing, I went to a random physiotherapist and she put three needles in it and the pain was just instantly gone. It did hurt slightly at the time but god drat was it ever worth it.

Normy
Jul 1, 2004

Do I Krushchev?


I had a headache today but I drank coconut water instead of taking Tylenol. Will I die?

Reince Penis
Nov 15, 2007

by R. Guyovich

Normy posted:

I had a headache today but I drank coconut water instead of taking Tylenol. Will I die?

Yes but hopefully not for a very long time :)

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock

namaste faggots posted:

You know what really assaults my loving brain? Bao bei and the white people braying about how great it is

My migraines would be cured in a second if all white people euthanized themselves

"if you paid more than $20 for it you probably aren't eating the same Chinese food we are" c/d

e: The quote that'll stick with me is still "We eat parts of animals you don't put in hot dogs"

unlimited shrimp
Aug 30, 2008

Tighclops posted:

if ... you're just full of poo poo in general yeah,

I'll take four.

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namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
Using codeine as a sleep aid is retarded

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