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I don't think wars, including civil wars and bloody revolutions are a good thing. They might be warranted if, just like with any other form of violence, they are done in self-defense. But I don't think the actions of antifa members or a random person who punches someone he perceived to be a Nazi, can be considered to be done in self-defense. You cannot defend yourself in court by saying you harmed somebody because they might potentionaly become instrumental in the moral devolution of your country. I think alt-righters are dumb, that's why I read this thread but I can't find any moral justification for violence against them. Would you punch Sargon if you saw him walking down the street towards you minding his own business? If you did I'd say you were in the wrong.
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:he was a civil rights activist with extreme and sometimes violent methods i'm impressed you recognized him since as far as i'm aware he's never been in a video game. good work Monglo posted:I don't think wars, including civil wars and bloody revolutions are a good thing. They might be warranted if, just like with any other form of violence, they are done in self-defense. But I don't think the actions of antifa members or a random person who punches someone he perceived to be a Nazi, can be considered to be done in self-defense. You cannot defend yourself in court by saying you harmed somebody because they might potentionaly become instrumental in the moral devolution of your country. I think alt-righters are dumb, that's why I read this thread but I can't find any moral justification for violence against them. haha look at this little scared bitch moving the goalposts from "punching nazis is wrong" to "it wont hold up in court as self defense" punching nazis is always good. if this makes you scared of getting punched on your chipotle run then that's your problem and nobody else's
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Would you say that the absence of tension is preferable to the presence of justice?
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OwlFancier posted:Would you say that the absence of tension is preferable to the presence of justice? I dont understand what you mean
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Aug 5, 2017 01:27
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:I dont understand what you mean Colour me unsurprised.
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Aug 5, 2017 01:29
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boner confessor posted:i'm impressed you recognized him since as far as i'm aware he's never been in a video game. good work advocating violence for thought crimes is p cool
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Aug 5, 2017 01:29
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Wrap it up, altrightailures. Looks likes youtube is actually doing something resembling smart with supremacist content. See some loser whine about how he'd get flagged fro transphobia here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6MZ5-KCT3g Also, some other dude who looks like a reject from the Gathering of the Juggalos is complaining here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dQwd2SvFok On hand, we don't get videos to mock anymore. A lot of social justicey channel will suffer a bunch, but only if their content is mostly meta. On the other, if you want to put blatant hate speech up on youtube, you lose the ability to make money off of it, and will have it hidden to the point where your channel will probably start to wither and die. So the free lunch of using the commons to make a cheap buck by flogging minorities and immigrants probably will come to an end soon. There's the idea that Vid.Me will pick up the slack, but that might be as poorly thought out as the redditors who tried to jump over to Voat. Cutting these guys off from easy money probably kills the organization these movements have. Sure you still have the Daily Stormer or Info Wars, but those aren't spinning out new "counter cultural" content for kids like these youtube channels are. I only wish this had been done 2-3 years ago, so this chud flood to the alt right could have been dissipated and made toothless.
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It would certainly be interesting if youtube did something good for once.
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rkajdi posted:Wrap it up, altrightailures. Looks likes youtube is actually doing something resembling smart with supremacist content. See some loser whine about how he'd get flagged fro transphobia here: I cant wait for the backlash for this Its time to get my fill of the garmonbozia emitting from the left and right
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Aug 5, 2017 01:31
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:advocating violence for thought crimes is p cool it is, especially when directed towards nazis. sorry if this makes you scared for your
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OwlFancier posted:It would certainly be interesting if youtube did something good for once. maybe starting off with the ISIS beheading videos or the softcore porn videos would be a good start but its the alt-right shitlords who are the real menace 
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Aug 5, 2017 01:33
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boner confessor posted:it is, especially when directed towards nazis. sorry if this makes you scared for your hey avianshaming is not tolerated
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"advocating violence against others is bad because it contributes to the moral devolution of society" says the guaranteed sheltered white man who thinks that punching a nazi is somehow worse than advocating racial and ethnic purity
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boner confessor posted:"advocating violence against others is bad because it contributes to the moral devolution of society" says the guaranteed sheltered white man who thinks that punching a nazi is somehow worse than advocating racial and ethnic purity yes i am a caucasian with a roof over my head
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What political ideology are softcore porn videos advocating for? Does it cause problems with your nofap obsession? Worried you will jizz out all your power if you see a sideboob?
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boner confessor posted:haha look at this little scared bitch moving the goalposts from "punching nazis is wrong" to "it wont hold up in court as self defense" I did not move any goalposts, my argument was that if you saw a person's you perceived to be a Nazi (and I used Sargon as an example as I though some of you might see him as a Nazi) and you harmed him with no provocation, except for being, what you saw as a Nazi, you would be in the wrong in both my opinion and in most court's. Violence is always bad. But it is warranted in self-defense. Btw, a lot of you people are being very abrasive and rude. Monglo fucked around with this message at 01:38 on Aug 5, 2017 |
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Aug 5, 2017 01:35
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Monglo posted:Violence is always bad. Wrong again!
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:I cant wait for the backlash for this Where's it going to emitted at? And why would the left complain-- it's people like the ADL and Our Blessed Mother who are going to be doing the policing, so you know who's baby is getting cut. The alt-right/alt-lite and edgy comedy types are not going to be making money or audience on their vids, so there's no incentive for them to continue. Alphabet has used the power of the purse to push out chuds spewing their filth, and I can't help but laugh about it.
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Aug 5, 2017 01:37
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OwlFancier posted:What political ideology are softcore porn videos advocating for? I have been harvesting all of my jizz in a jar to perform a ritual to summon a homunculus
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Aug 5, 2017 01:38
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Monglo posted:I did not move any goalposts, my argument was that if you saw a person's you perceived to be a Nazi (and I used Sargon as an example as I though some of you might see him as a Nazi) and you harmed him with no provocation, except for being, what you saw as a Nazi, you would be in the wrong in both my opinion and in most court's. this is a pretty useless hypothetical scenario though because few nazis are being assaulted while getting groceries or visiting their grandmothers. typically they're assaulted while they are at nazi rallies, saying nazi things, the occurance of which is a bad thing for society unless for some odd and unexplainable reason you think society should tolerate nazi speech and that shutting this speech down is worse than advocating racial and ethnic purity, or any other number of things which might irrationally antagonize your enfeebled mind like women's ankles or persons of color sitting down on the bus
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:maybe starting off with the ISIS beheading videos or the softcore porn videos would be a good start You can do both. Note that it's not specially against the alt-right only. I'd suspect that the ISIS stuff and porn are also done. In short, youtube is growing up and trying to become legit. You need to push the chuds out for that to happen.
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OwlFancier posted:Wrong again! Actually, I am right *punches OwlFancier* *giggles coyly*
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Guys remember when we ended the nazi empire in the mid 40's? Remember how non-violently we handled that? Man those fascists really gave us a go but a stern stance of "Well I disagree with you and will debate you." sure did end the active violence of their fascist regime.
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rkajdi posted:Where's it going to emitted at? 4chan, voat, and other public and well traveled venues which are entirely equivalent outlets for information as a casual discussion among friends in real life, or the nightly news
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hey fellas, have you considered that punching nazis is wrong because it is illegal? 
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Guys remember when we ended the nazi empire in the mid 40's? Remember how non-violently we handled that? Man those fascists really gave us a go but a stern stance of "Well I disagree with you and will debate you." sure did end the active violence of their fascist regime. You know what methods did this Nazi "empire" use? Violence. So are you disagreeing with their goals but agreeing with their methods? But I'm done with this tangent, I have no desire to argue with somebody who says violence is all cool and good and totally the right thing to do. If we were having a face to face conversation I would've punched you in the face to make a point but alas. Monglo fucked around with this message at 01:45 on Aug 5, 2017 |
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Monglo posted:You know what methods did this Nazi "empire" use? Violence. So are you disagreeing with their goals but agreeing with their methods? I mean literally yes assuming you're a war leader on the allied side? There is nothing I can think of off the top of my head that the nazis tried in war that the allies didn't use against them.
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Monglo posted:You know what methods did this Nazi "empire" use? Violence. So are you disagreeing with their goals but agreeing with their methods? haha do you think you actually have an insightful point here or are you so stunned by your own stupdendous powers of observation and synthesis that you can recognize that both sides are bad and that maybe the truth is in the middle because here i was thinking you were just an upset troll trying to vent your bad emotions but it does appear that you may actually be extremely stupid. because your extreme faux pacifist stance means you support oppressors and the tyrannical status quo while fooling yourself into the weakest moral superiority possible, whoops! turns out these sorts of arguments can be tricky, when you are stupid
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rkajdi posted:Where's it going to emitted at? And why would the left complain-- it's people like the ADL and Our Blessed Mother who are going to be doing the policing, so you know who's baby is getting cut. The alt-right/alt-lite and edgy comedy types are not going to be making money or audience on their vids, so there's no incentive for them to continue. Alphabet has used the power of the purse to push out chuds spewing their filth, and I can't help but laugh about it. Just you wait The whole of the alt-right will out for blood over this. I cant imagine the pro free speech people is going to be pleased that relatively tame poo poo like Styx a hardcore libertarian is going to be delisted and be shadow banned off Youtube. Theres going to be so much poo poo coming when Google go balls deep through with this. By the way it seems people are coming up with plans to fool the AI algorithms like they did with Tay so enjoy the poo poo hurricane when the chucklefucks at 4chan manage to start delisting all sorts of things. 
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Monglo posted:But I'm done with this tangent, I have no desire to argue with somebody who says violence is all cool and good and totally the right thing to do. If we were having a face to face conversation I would've punched you in the face to make a point but alas. So... you do think violence is an appropriate response to disagreement then?
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Monglo posted:But I'm done with this tangent, I have no desire to argue with somebody who says violence is all cool and good and totally the right thing to do. If we were having a face to face conversation I would've punched you in the face to make a point but alas. "if we were having a face to face conversation i would have meekly conceded the point and then as i drove myself home, a panic attack mounting and the pressure in my head building, hot tears streaking down my face, i would have rushed to my computer to post an epic greentext about owning a normie in the denny's parking lot" OwlFancier posted:So... you do think violence is an appropriate response to disagreement then? that's just the internalized self loathing coming out
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I mean surely somebody who so ardently believes in nonviolence would not resort to violence ironically?
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Hail Dark Mother!
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Monglo posted:You know what methods did this Nazi "empire" use? Violence. So are you disagreeing with their goals but agreeing with their methods? They used words and debate too so I guess you approve of the method but not the ends, hypocrite.
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Monglo posted:You know what methods did this Nazi "empire" use? Violence. So are you disagreeing with their goals but agreeing with their methods? Y-yeah? Like if someone who cannot be 'logically persuaded' to not be a bigot and to cease their active campaign of violence on oppressed people (or even their active pursuit in doing so) there's not much else to do but respond in kind. They're not going to listen to 'reason' because their beliefs aren't built on it but a systematic and aggressive hatred that isn't going to change quickly if at all. Sorry if that is somehow news to you.
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boner confessor posted:4chan, voat, and other public and well traveled venues which are entirely equivalent outlets for information as a casual discussion among friends in real life, or the nightly news Yes, but 4chan, voat, or the like don't make content creators any money. I think the central point I might not have directly stated is that without an economic incentive, the Sargons of the world don't post videos anymore, and thus stop radicalizing new kids to the alt right. That's a huge win, and a huge loss for the youtube right-wing "counter culture". I've heard that 4chan isn't doing all that great financially, and voat/8chan are microscopic compared with youtube or even 4chan. We may get to the point where the wild wild web dies within the decade, and is replaced with something acceptable to normal society.
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How did 4chan stay afloat all those years when it was just moot? Doesn't some Korean media company own it now? They'd just pull the plug if it didn't perform.
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rkajdi posted:Yes, but 4chan, voat, or the like don't make content creators any money. I think the central point I might not have directly stated is that without an economic incentive, the Sargons of the world don't post videos anymore, and thus stop radicalizing new kids to the alt right. That's a huge win, and a huge loss for the youtube right-wing "counter culture". I've heard that 4chan isn't doing all that great financially, and voat/8chan are microscopic compared with youtube or even 4chan. We may get to the point where the wild wild web dies within the decade, and is replaced with something acceptable to normal society. 4chan makes money from the datamining and adverts Plus 4chan falling would be bad for the FBI and NSA have their own interests in keeping 4chan open for various intelligence reasons (alot of stuff gets leaked by anons and cheese pizza fans keep trying to share their pie with people who dont want none) also step on a lego you statist bootlicker
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rkajdi posted:We may get to the point where the wild wild web dies within the decade, and is replaced with something acceptable to normal society. I wouldn't necessarily celebrate that as it's a grave error to assume that it will not also wipe out the people promoting good ideas.
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business hammocks posted:How did 4chan stay afloat all those years when it was just moot? Doesn't some Korean media company own it now? They'd just pull the plug if it didn't perform. Its kinda murky how he got the money There was always donation drives for the place
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