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Cythereal posted:I dunno, the Monarch personnel in G14 consistently refer to Godzilla as a god, though I'm not sure how sincere they're being - I suspect it might be a Japanese cultural subtext thing I'm not informed enough to understand. I wouldn't have any trouble with the idea of the Mothra branch of Monarch having gone a bit native to play to Mothra's origins with the franchise. Kinda hoping Ghidora is a freak mutant conjoined triplet case that was too horrible to die.
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Or space king monstrosity, that's cool too
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Vince MechMahon posted:Gunslinger works as a book because it allows you into Roland's head and gives you time to take in this weird fantasy cowboy apocalypse world. The movie doesn't have that luxury unless it's a 3 and a half hour long LOTR style epic, and even then would have instantly alienated all non book fan viewers. the first book is mostly just a western with some mutants in it. as far as i remember anyway.
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Cythereal posted:I dunno, the Monarch personnel in G14 consistently refer to Godzilla as a god, though I'm not sure how sincere they're being - I suspect it might be a Japanese cultural subtext thing I'm not informed enough to understand. I wouldn't have any trouble with the idea of the Mothra branch of Monarch having gone a bit native to play to Mothra's origins with the franchise. It's sort of a subtext thing but more how we translated "Godzilla." Like the way in G14 they keep teasing him finally being referred to as King of the Monsters at the end. Serizawa/etc. keep using different terms like apex predator/and him being the balance of nature/etc. a bunch of designations that all basically mean the same thing and are each technically correct interpretations of "Gojira." Literally Gojira is basically contraction of "gorilla whale," but meant not to describe him cosmetically but to describe him as huge powerful animal that goes wherever the hell it wants whenever it wants. I liked that about the movie because it finally settles on the very primal King of the Monsters again because he's such a unique thing and we're so insignificant to him that that's about as far as our real comprehension of Godzilla is gonna go.
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Groovelord Neato posted:the first book is mostly just a western with some mutants in it. as far as i remember anyway. It's also got all the king Arthur stuff, the weird slang, the idea of time and space being broken, the world possibly being the afterlife, and that fuckin psychedelic ending.
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The MSJ posted:Transformers 5's global gross is just over half of Transformers 4 so it's not like China can do much. China is again the highest-grossing market, albeit at $290 million vs Transformers 4's $320 million. What. John Cena in Transformers. Jesus Christ I may have to see that one for the sheer comedy value of that alone. John Cena fighting Optimus Prime would be amazing. Lol Cena Wins
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Vince MechMahon posted:It's also got all the king Arthur stuff, the weird slang, the idea of time and space being broken, the world possibly being the afterlife, and that fuckin psychedelic ending. yeah i'd dump the slang tho cuz it's loving awful and it's just gets worse when he puts more in.
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The worst-case scenario for this thread is a simultaneous discussion about Stephen King, Transformers, and Godzilla. I guess I'll check back in a week or so
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Neo Rasa posted:It's sort of a subtext thing but more how we translated "Godzilla." Like the way in G14 they keep teasing him finally being referred to as King of the Monsters at the end. Serizawa/etc. keep using different terms like apex predator/and him being the balance of nature/etc. a bunch of designations that all basically mean the same thing and are each technically correct interpretations of "Gojira." Literally Gojira is basically contraction of "gorilla whale," but meant not to describe him cosmetically but to describe him as huge powerful animal that goes wherever the hell it wants whenever it wants. I liked that about the movie because it finally settles on the very primal King of the Monsters again because he's such a unique thing and we're so insignificant to him that that's about as far as our real comprehension of Godzilla is gonna go. Personally, I agree with many of the reviews I've seen: Godzilla as a series has typically reflected the fears of the nation and time producing each film. These days, in America, that fear is of an apocalyptic force of nature that doesn't even deign to notice us when we die in its wake as it goes about its business. We can study it, we can learn a lot about it, and there's not a drat thing we can do about it. It's Godzilla as a natural disaster, and the cinematography of the film played up that angle enormously. This particular incarnation of Godzilla, I think it's worth noting, wasn't woken up by the American, British, and French nuclear tests in the Pacific. It was woken up by the USS Nautilus, the world's first nuclear powered submarine, as it plied the Pacific deep. Nautilus wasn't an act of malice, it was a feat of human engineering pushing back the boundaries of what was possible and what we could do. And it awakened something that makes that achievement utterly irrelevant and insignificant. I'll be very interested to see what Legendary does next with this franchise. It is, I think, a very American interpretation of Godzilla: we, so long top dog of the world, come face to face with something we don't have a prayer of stopping or even doing anything about but enduring it. All our fancy toys, all our weapons and planes, none of it matters against this force. Japanese Godzilla, I think, is usually something of a living stigmata. It's an embodiment of Japan's sins and guilt and arrogance come back to take its toll. American Godzilla is an uncaring force of nature come to topple the mighty and challenge America's view of itself as the king of the world.
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ALFbrot posted:The worst-case scenario for this thread is a simultaneous discussion about Stephen King, Transformers, and Godzilla. I guess I'll check back in a week or so You forgot Batman v Superman
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Groovelord Neato posted:yeah i'd dump the slang tho cuz it's loving awful and it's just gets worse when he puts more in. High Speech owns, thankee-sai
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:For some reason I thought you said Battle Beasts and I was all "Yes, it is the right time for a Battle Beasts movie." Battle Beasts rule, they were my favorite toys growing up and that was before I found out they were a Transformers spin off, never addressed in their US release. They've had two sort of reboots recently with Mini-Mate putting out "Battle Beasts" that are just armored animals while Takara-Tomy released a line called Beast Saga which is essentially Battle Beasts as a dice game, neither really capture the essence of the originals (Beast Saga does have a manga and a season of an anime). Some of the new headmaster transformers have tributes to the original Battle Beasts, with one decoed to look like Pirate Lion and another to look like the Elephant. Right now there are several people who do their own unofficial Battle Beasts that are pretty nice, including a bunch of Russian sculptors as there was a whole bootleg Battle Beast line there as part of bootleg Warhammer games in the 80s and 90s, those kids have grown up to make their own bootleg tributes to those bootlegs. (I'm also practicing sculpting to eventually make my own custom figures for myself as I designed hundreds of my own Battle Beasts as a kid and still have copies of most of them, nothing production quality yet but still fun creative things) ALFbrot posted:The worst-case scenario for this thread is a simultaneous discussion about Stephen King, Transformers, and Godzilla. I guess I'll check back in a week or so Sorry, not much real news in the wake of Comicon, should be some stuff in a few days Tars Tarkas fucked around with this message at 18:15 on Aug 5, 2017 |
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ALFbrot posted:The worst-case scenario for this thread is a simultaneous discussion about Stephen King, Transformers, and Godzilla. I guess I'll check back in a week or so dark tower appears to be a perfect "who greenlighted this" considering the reviews.
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Director had a solid track record, actors are good, it's less "who greenlighted this" and more "what the gently caress happened"
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Cythereal posted:Personally, I agree with many of the reviews I've seen: Godzilla as a series has typically reflected the fears of the nation and time producing each film. These days, in America, that fear is of an apocalyptic force of nature that doesn't even deign to notice us when we die in its wake as it goes about its business. We can study it, we can learn a lot about it, and there's not a drat thing we can do about it. It's Godzilla as a natural disaster, and the cinematography of the film played up that angle enormously. Totally agree with this. I really love the shot of Godzilla swimming and the US Navy surrounding him and his lack of acknowledgement that these huge powerful boats are all around him. The bridge scene was great with that too because of the way he sort of like studies the bridge briefly before the army starts shooting at him, which annoys him so he just sort of continues on his path and his tail completely owns the US military just from him walking around. The part where him and Aaron Taylor Thomas make eye contact for a moment is awesome too. I liked that the movie had these moments where it kinda sorta teases that Godzilla could knowingly be cool with humans but doesn't actually pull the trigger on that, which keeps him scary.
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Groovelord Neato posted:dark tower appears to be a perfect "who greenlighted this" considering the reviews. I'm looking forward to the impending "How Did This Get Made" because of how long it's been in production in some form vs. what we got.
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Neo Rasa posted:Totally agree with this. I really love the shot of Godzilla swimming and the US Navy surrounding him and his lack of acknowledgement that these huge powerful boats are all around him. The bridge scene was great with that too because of the way he sort of like studies the bridge briefly before the army starts shooting at him, which annoys him so he just sort of continues on his path and his tail completely owns the US military just from him walking around. The part where him and Aaron Taylor Thomas make eye contact for a moment is awesome too. I liked that the movie had these moments where it kinda sorta teases that Godzilla could knowingly be cool with humans but doesn't actually pull the trigger on that, which keeps him scary. I think it's a fair criticism for those used to Japanese Godzilla that the scene with the fleet escorting Godzilla wouldn't have happened in a Japanese film - the hotheaded military would have started shooting, Godzilla would have killed them, end of story. But this isn't Japanese Godzilla or the Japanese view of the military (American or otherwise). Here, both Godzilla and the military understand there's no point to getting in a fight here. The military understands exactly what would happen, and Godzilla considers humans irrelevant unless they annoy him. Another subtle bit reinforcing the natural disaster scene is the TV display where they're plotting Godzilla's course across the Pacific - it looks exactly like a hurricane course plot, and not by accident. I also personally disagree with those critics who say Legendary ruined Godzilla by removing the atomic bomb/nuclear power connection. Hiroshima was 69 years ago at the time G14 was made. I can't speak for any scars that may linger in Japan, but for an American Godzilla any sort of nuclear metaphor would be lost. We've never had a particularly bad experience with nuclear energy. Three Mile Island, sure, but that was decades ago and its cultural impact on the US has faded. We've never had a Chernobyl or Fukushima, much less an atomic bombing. We're even past the Cold War. A 2014 Godzilla that's an atomic bomb or nuclear disaster or nuclear war would not, I suspect, resonate with American audiences except maybe the older generations. But a natural disaster? Oh yes we can relate to that. The specter of American superiority coming crashing down before a hopelessly superior force? It's a theme that's echoed in American fiction for decades, and unlike the classic manifestation of an alien invasion, in G14 American ingenuity and valor do not prevail... though they do help a little when we blow up the Muto nest. I think Gareth Edwards was a fine choice for G14, for much the same reasons as he was a good pick for Rogue One. Yeah, the human characters are lacking and dull except for one or two elevated by their actors' performances, but there's a palpable sense of dread looming over the entire film. You're never allowed to forget how dire the situation is and the level of the threat at work, and how insignificant the characters are before it. But I've rambled enough about Godzilla, I think. Christ, I've been hanging around CineD too much. 
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Vegetable posted:Director had a solid track record, actors are good, it's less "who greenlighted this" and more "what the gently caress happened" The postmortem on it is going to be fascinating considering how many big names had orbited it over the span of literal decades. Like the property got that attention for a reason. Smart people saw something in it. To have something released that is so toothless and wasteful is just confounding.
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Neo Rasa posted:I'm looking forward to the impending "How Did This Get Made" because of how long it's been in production in some form vs. what we got. I heard something about bad test screenings causing the studio to freak out.
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There's a really weird scene in The Dark Tower where Roland teaches Jake to shoot and they recite the Gunslingers Creed together and everything and then at the end of the scene Roland goes "And you don't get to use a gun again."
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Didn't The Gunslinger get completely re-written at one point? Also isn't King really picky about how his work gets adapted because of all the poo poo Stanley Kubrick pulled while filming The Shining?
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MechanicalTomPetty posted:Didn't The Gunslinger get completely re-written at one point? Also isn't King really picky about how his work gets adapted because of all the poo poo Stanley Kubrick pulled while filming The Shining? I don't think King has a ton of input into his films as a rule, and his issues with The Shining are blown a bit out of proportion.
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muscles like this! posted:There's a really weird scene in The Dark Tower where Roland teaches Jake to shoot and they recite the Gunslingers Creed together and everything and then at the end of the scene Roland goes "And you don't get to use a gun again." Uggg Shouldve made jake a child soldier to actually do something interesting
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muscles like this! posted:There's a really weird scene in The Dark Tower where Roland teaches Jake to shoot and they recite the Gunslingers Creed together and everything and then at the end of the scene Roland goes "And you don't get to use a gun again." It's delivered like a punchline and my theater laughed. I assumed it would matter later, and we'd get a scene of Jake taking a gun to save Roland, but nope.
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Skwirl posted:I don't think King has a ton of input into his films as a rule, and his issues with The Shining are blown a bit out of proportion. Didn't he also kind of forgive that adaptation because for the longest time, he sympathized with Jack Torrance, and only realized later that Jack isn't a misunderstood and frustrated father who is lured by paranormal entities, but already a loving monster by the time he brings his family to the Overlook?
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About G'14 chat, they've released some teasers on twitter that reveals a bit about their takes on Mothra, Rodan and King Ghidorah https://twitter.com/kongskullisland/status/877559172073521152 https://twitter.com/kongskullisland/status/880099336369061889 https://twitter.com/kongskullisland/status/882636137927294978 https://twitter.com/kongskullisland/status/885166877147660288 https://twitter.com/MonarchSciences/status/888805921274576896
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Young Freud posted:Didn't he also kind of forgive that adaptation because for the longest time, he sympathized with Jack Torrance, and only realized later that Jack isn't a misunderstood and frustrated father who is lured by paranormal entities, but already a loving monster by the time he brings his family to the Overlook? That's... basically the difference between the book and movie, and why he didn't like the movie (until enough time had passed that he could look at it as a separate work from his own). In the book, Jack is unstable, but not actually dangerous until the Overlook corrupts him. In the movie, he's a terrifying monster from practically moment one and the Overlook just sets him off.
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I saw Kuso last night. It was a lot of shock gross outs and weird stuff. It's one of those movies where you feel embarrassed for the actors involved.
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Great Smog of London, is that a reference to... is Hedorah the smog monster? Siberian Mystery went past too fast to read. It's always the non-obvious bits that are the most interesting. What's the 1915 one? Ghost Leviathan fucked around with this message at 07:18 on Aug 6, 2017 |
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Inescapable Duck posted:What's the 1915 one? quote:1915 - Splitting the Atom I couldn't read it either, I had to look it up online: http://godzilla.wikia.com/wiki/Monarch
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The Devil with Three Heads That's royalty you're talking about there pal!
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Electromax posted:The Devil with Three Heads Also getting Mountains of Madness vibes from that. Entombed under the Antarctic ice, scared the crap out of the people whose business is studying stuff like this, and by the sounds of it may have driven the head scientist mad.
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Cythereal posted:Also getting Mountains of Madness vibes from that. Entombed under the Antarctic ice, scared the crap out of the people whose business is studying stuff like this, and by the sounds of it may have driven the head scientist mad. gently caress, that'd be amazing if they released a small budget Lovecraftian film which was a stealth Ghidorah intro story. I can't see them doing it at all but but 
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I think if they played it right, they could do the Mothra psychic stuff. Bugs already weird a lot of people out, since they're so fundamentally different from us. If someone began claiming that Mothra was speaking to them, especially if they were a little mentally off to begin with and there was some level of ambiguity throughout the movie, then I think that would be okay.
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Inescapable Duck posted:Great Smog of London, is that a reference to... is Hedorah the smog monster? Great Smog of London is when the city for so polluted that a few days without wind or rain caused the smog to build up and killed 12 thousand people in four days and injured 200 thousand. I guess that in the Kaikju Cinematic Universe that was the work of monsters not industrialization.
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FreudianSlippers posted:Great Smog of London is when the city for so polluted that a few days without wind or rain caused the smog to build up and killed 12 thousand people in four days and injured 200 thousand. Or monsters attracted by industrialisation. I'm reminded of one parody of Godzilla where he gets high huffing factory smoke, and Hedorah was one big 'pollution is bad' Captain Planet villain.
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