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shadok posted:I like the part where they tack to change course. I loved it! Closest Trek ever got to Spelljammer.
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shadok posted:I like the part where they tack to change course. I'm pretty sure that you can't tack a solar sail craft because the sails don't generate lift like a real sail. You could only wear, and even then it doesn't really matter.
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Aug 5, 2017 19:28
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I had forgotten the Delta Flyer also has those dumb little moving cut outs. Why?
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Haha a little tidbit from DS9 S01E16: Sisko once punched an ambassador in the face and got out of VIP escort duties from then on. Picard would not have punched an ambassador in the face even if he was getting real creepy with a young ensign.
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Orv posted:I had forgotten the Delta Flyer also has those dumb little moving cut outs. Why? It's a design staple that shuttles always have design callbacks to the mothership; the Defiant shuttle has the same on-body nacelles as the Defiant. The Flyer's moving bits were probably a callback to Voyager's nacelles.
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MikeJF posted:It's a design staple that shuttles always have design callbacks to the mothership; the Defiant shuttle has the same on-body nacelles as the Defiant. The Flyer's moving bits were probably a callback to Voyager's nacelles. Well at least that makes sense. Also it's weird that this episode with the lovely Voyager crew members takes place in season 6 and not 1. Orv fucked around with this message at 19:48 on Aug 5, 2017 |
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Arglebargle III posted:I'm pretty sure that you can't tack a solar sail craft I'm 100% sure.
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shadok posted:I'm 100% sure. Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
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Orv posted:I had forgotten the Delta Flyer also has those dumb little moving cut outs. Why? Because Tom Paris wasn't designing a practical shuttle, he was designing a sports car. They actually mentioned it in the episode they built it. If Tuvok wasn't there the Delta Flyer would have also had fins. Tom is also the reason it has switches and toggles at the helm instead of a normal control panel.
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shadok posted:I'm 100% sure. "A form of space sailing might be developed which used the repulsive effect of the Sun's rays instead of wind. A space vessel spreading its large, metallic wings, acres in extent, to the full, might be blown to the limit of Neptune's orbit. Then, to increase its speed, it would tack, close-hauled, down the gravitational field, spreading full sail again as it rushed past the Sun." Tacking is a thing in Solar sailing, although it's kinda distinct from the Earth concept and you wouldn't be constantly tacking back and forth. The biggest issue with the episode is the sails being a dozen metres across as opposed to, like, ten kilometres. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Aug 5, 2017 |
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Sash! posted:Also, I'm pretty sure 1984 doesn't count as that because Winston is pretty sure there was a nuclear war, then a civil war in the UK, and the Party won the civil war.
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dont even fink about it posted:Why in god's name through the entire run of this show did they doll up Marina Sirtis like a nineteenth-century trollop? It drives me bonkers the poo poo they put her through. Considering they hired her based on her performances as Rape Victim #3 in many various Cannon films it's surprising she didn't get exploited more
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MikeJF posted:"A form of space sailing might be developed which used the repulsive effect of the Sun's rays instead of wind. A space vessel spreading its large, metallic wings, acres in extent, to the full, might be blown to the limit of Neptune's orbit. Then, to increase its speed, it would tack, close-hauled, down the gravitational field, spreading full sail again as it rushed past the Sun." Yup, that's one way. Another is this: if a ship is in orbit about a star, it can angle the solar sail to reflect the light toward the spacecraft's own forward motion vector, thus resulting in a backward pressure, slowing the spacecraft and causing it to spiral closer to the star.  If using a solar sail to get closer to the light source doesn't count as tacking into the light, I don't know what does.  But yeah, the sails as shown are a few orders of magnitude too small. For fine trajectory corrections? Sure, they'd work. That's been done in real life with space probes angling their solar panels as makeshift "sails" to make tiny course adjustments for zero fuel cost. But as a main propulsion system? Yeah, no.
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The Denorios Belt causes increased pressure from solar winds, reducing the surface area required to make solar sails work and  Seriously, though, they should have made a studio model using a few bedsheets sewn together and sprayed gold for the sails and then a grain of rice for the actual spacecraft.
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In my head I remembered the sails being larger. That said, it is a really pretty ship. Just don't think too hard about how the bajornauts got into space in the first place.
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Zurui posted:In my head I remembered the sails being larger. That said, it is a really pretty ship. On top of a rocket? 
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Pakled posted:Was the Bajoran space sailship the first fully-CGI ship in Star Trek? I think so.
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McSpanky posted:On top of a rocket? Humans have been launching themselves into space on top of rockets since the 50's, it's not hard to buy that ancient Bajor had the technology.
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They were building and flying those solar sail ships during the 16th century. If it weren't for the Cardassains Bajor would have likely been one of those 'smugly more advanced than you planet of the week episode' planets.
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8one6 posted:They were building and flying those solar sail ships during the 16th century. If it weren't for the Cardassains Bajor would have likely been one of those 'smugly more advanced than you planet of the week episode' planets. Picard says of the Bajorans, "they were architects and artists and builders and philosophers... when humans were not yet standing erect." Which is patently ridiculous, because Sahelanthropus was bipedal like six million years ago and Homo Erectus was around 1.8 million years ago. Bajor should be on par with the Q Continuum by now.
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shadok posted:Picard says of the Bajorans, "they were architects and artists and builders and philosophers... when humans were not yet standing erect." Which is patently ridiculous, because Sahelanthropus was bipedal like six million years ago and Homo Erectus was around 1.8 million years ago. Bajor should be on par with the Q Continuum by now. Not if they had numerous calamities which set them back or didn't have enough. I know things in Trek just evolve on their own to some theoretical predestined endpoint, but if nothing challenged the Bajorans to develop in those ways they might not have. They might have been content to live in small enough numbers to not stress their resources and spent their time on music and spirituality rather than scientific advancement. You know, or Trek writers have no sense of time or scale
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Maybe Picard was being metaphorical, like when Disraeli said that the honored gentleman's ancestors were hunting pigs in the woods while his ancestors were scholars in Israel.
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The Bajorans had a rigid caste system and hidebound attitude that might have held them back a teensy bit.
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I suppose the wormhole aliens were actively interfering with their development, too.The Bloop posted:You know, or Trek writers have no sense of time or scale But mostly that. "When humans were not yet standing erect" is a great line but all they had to do was change it to "when humans had not yet learned to write" and now it's fine. Nessus posted:Maybe Picard was being metaphorical, like when Disraeli said that the honored gentleman's ancestors were hunting pigs in the woods while his ancestors were scholars in Israel. This would be fine too if they hadn't gone out of their way to give Picard an advanced degree in archaeology. shadok fucked around with this message at 04:48 on Aug 6, 2017 |
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Nessus posted:Maybe Picard was being metaphorical, like when Disraeli said that the honored gentleman's ancestors were hunting pigs in the woods while his ancestors were scholars in Israel. Probably, but then again, you'd think Picard of all people would be a stickler for anthropological correctness.
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shadok posted:But mostly that. "When humans were not yet standing erect" is a great line but all they had to do was change it to "when humans had not yet learned to write" and now it's fine. That's how they wrote it, but Patrick Stewart demanded to say "erect".  They could have gone back and reshot it, I guess, but by that point, he's said everything. He's said it all.
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Watching some late night Trek. Transfigurations. Worf just told Geordi "you must let her see the fire in your eyes" and I'm not sure if the joke is supposed to be how bold he is or the fact that Geordi's eyes aren't visible.
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Worf's line delivery of "I have much to teach you about women" just over-the-top enough.
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Trip report: DS9 season 3, episode 24 "Shakaar" Well I'm back to hating Kai Winn again. Sort of against my will; I don't think she actually intends ill or is particularly duplicitous anymore, or is even all that selfish, she's just single-minded, impatient, and not a good leader. In the last one when Bareil died she recognized that, but she seems to have taken a step back now. Everyone is still treating her, though, as if she's still the same old Winn. I suppose I don't blame them, but they're not really helping her. I'm still holding a bit of a grudge against Bashir for the way he berated her last time. If ever there were a moment to reach out with your much-vaunted Starfleet morals and give someone a chance, that was it. Anyway this is another in a long list of episodes that could've been tremendously improved by being a 2-parter or really committing to the serialization. Episode 25, "Facets" "The Five Doctors" meets "Tuvix." Dax is just a lost cause of a character. 90% of the time she's just Competent Starfleet Officer #47, 5% of the time we're shown by her previous hosts just how boring and milquetoast she is, and the other 5% of the time is the writers just throwing things up against the wall to see what sticks, to make her more interesting - and none of it sticks.
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"We need to design a virus to infiltrate his cell-structure and boost his ATP production," she says casually
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Believe it or not that's exactly the kind of nonsense a highly skilled future doctor would want to be able to do.
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Arglebargle III posted:Believe it or not that's exactly the kind of nonsense a highly skilled future doctor would want to be able to do. Yeah it struck me as particularly realistic but also incredibly sophisticated instead of just technobabble
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