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With a full suit of i340 gear, a tank will have about 35% damage reduction. So protect would give an additional 3.5% damage reduction for a tank with the best possible gear right now. That's not to say it's bad, because mitigating 3.5% of all damage for free is good, but lol at throwing a tantrum about not having it.
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At the end of HW, Foresight was about 8% or so physical defense mitigation and that's 20% defense. So for tanks, ~4% at the beginning of the expansion sounds about right.
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Aug 5, 2017 22:47
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protect should just work like it does in pvp
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Aug 5, 2017 23:09
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I just don't understand why it has to even be a discussion. The healer just flat afk'd or something in the pull right after the first boss of Ala Mhigo. Instead of everyone throwing a fit, he apologized and literally nothing else was said. Do we not all just wanna get our tomes/exp/drops and get out?
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Aug 5, 2017 23:29
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Fister Roboto posted:Just had a really fun Sirensong Sea run. I started off pulling the first pack, and I guess I missed the healer casting protect. That's not really a big deal, but apparently this made them very angry because they stopped healing me for the next pack. As a healer, nothing makes me happier than when a tank gives no fucks about protect. Protect is the worst.
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Aug 5, 2017 23:51
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SonicRulez posted:I just don't understand why it has to even be a discussion. The healer just flat afk'd or something in the pull right after the first boss of Ala Mhigo. Instead of everyone throwing a fit, he apologized and literally nothing else was said. Do we not all just wanna get our tomes/exp/drops and get out? Some people just want to be really, really mad at video games and the people who play them. Hell, if people could be counted on to be chill all the time we'd probably have a larger percentage of people playing tanks and healers. I know the main reason I don't like tanking is not wanting to put up with the occasional prima dona like the above healer (or garbage tier DPS but there's no escaping those).
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Aug 5, 2017 23:54
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I had a SCH do similar to me once. He even desummoned his fairy. I asked them to kick me, but they didn't. We ended up finishing, and I got two coms. I guess the other two players were silently cheering for me. I don't actually slot protect. Even in HW, it was like my fourth slotted skill, so it wasn't unusual that I couldn't use it in levelling. Most tanks kind of stand there for 5 seconds, then just quietly wander off. Every so often someone makes a big deal about it. That's what rescue is for. To dump that guy into an AoE.
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Aug 5, 2017 23:56
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I don't think you should pick fights with strangers.
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Aug 5, 2017 23:59
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The only reason I even keep Protect slotted is because I get yelled at if it's not the first thing I do in an instance. I would really rather have Eye-for-an-Eye or Rescue or Surecast or something.
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Aug 6, 2017 00:05
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I was in a map party the other day that everyone was having such a good time we all went and got another round of maps to keep the group going, and then like on the 16th map the tank made one tiny mistake that we completely recovered from and one dude just loving went off on him. Some people are just looking for reasons to get angry at people I guess, but lmao @ actually getting pissed off in a map party.Colgate posted:The only reason I even keep Protect slotted is because I get yelled at if it's not the first thing I do in an instance. I would really rather have Eye-for-an-Eye or Rescue or Surecast or something.
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Aug 6, 2017 00:10
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I find stony silence works well when someone tries to ask why I don't use Protect. They'll just assume you can't type or something and then they'll assume you're too stupid to figure out how to slot Protect. Use the next 10-15 minutes of silence formulating a good time and place to Rescue them. One of my favourites is Rescue during LB, then using LB myself. They were probably using it in the last 2% anyway.
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Aug 6, 2017 00:13
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Dwesa posted:drat, they just wanted their sirensong ERP glamours and you wanted the healer to cast protect TWICE? Outrageous. That's Shisui. Sirensong is the gear nobody wears cause it's 260 and you can just get shire gear super easy.
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Aug 6, 2017 00:25
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Jay Rust posted:I don't think you should pick fights with strangers. This whole game is about picking fights with strangers, buddy
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Aug 6, 2017 00:28
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homeless snail posted:I was in a map party the other day that everyone was having such a good time we all went and got another round of maps to keep the group going, and then like on the 16th map the tank made one tiny mistake that we completely recovered from and one dude just loving went off on him. Some people are just looking for reasons to get angry at people I guess, but lmao @ actually getting pissed off in a map party. Mind sharing that macro?
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Aug 6, 2017 00:29
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SKULL.GIF posted:This whole game is about picking fights with strangers, buddy Yeah, it's basically 1. Make the most ridiculous glamour possible 2. Verbally spar with anyone who disagrees with any decision you've made, ever. Ad hominem attacks REQUIRED 3. Maybe get your ilvl up one day?
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:Mind sharing that macro? code:homeless snail fucked around with this message at 00:42 on Aug 6, 2017 |
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Aug 6, 2017 00:40
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Reiterpallasch posted:protect should just work like it does in pvp It absolutely should. Then it would be an actually interesting ability.
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I tried measuring the effect of Protect on myself during open world combat and didn't see any difference in the damage I was taking from auto attacks (this was leveling somewhere in the 60s). I'm not sure if this was because there was something going on with the way the game rounds numbers, or if there are diminishing returns for non-tank armor, or if something was just bugged. The only reason I even cast protect in 4 man dungeons is to keep the rest of the group from getting upset. I've never actually noticed any difference in the amount of incoming party damage when I'm healing and I forget it. e: the little shield effect does look cool, though.
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Fortuitous Bumble posted:I tried measuring the effect of Protect on myself during open world combat and didn't see any difference in the damage I was taking from auto attacks (this was leveling somewhere in the 60s). I'm not sure if this was because there was something going on with the way the game rounds numbers, or if there are diminishing returns for non-tank armor, or if something was just bugged. All armor works the same way, and the percentage of DR scales linearly with defense. As a healer, you just have so little defense, especially this early in the expansion cycle, that the difference protect makes for you is probably smaller than the random damage variance.
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SKULL.GIF posted:This whole game is about picking fights with strangers, buddy Half of the reason the Internet exists is to pick fights with strangers. 
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Thundarr posted:Half of the reason the Internet exists is to pick fights with strangers. Just the internet?
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Update: We just killed OS3 with mere seconds to enrage. I don't have a screenshot because our ninja jumped through the exit at the first opportunity, but here's a video: https://youtu.be/4xwob6F9OZE
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homeless snail posted:I was in a map party the other day that everyone was having such a good time we all went and got another round of maps to keep the group going, and then like on the 16th map the tank made one tiny mistake that we completely recovered from and one dude just loving went off on him. Some people are just looking for reasons to get angry at people I guess, but lmao @ actually getting pissed off in a map party. I did a POTD 51-60 run a while back where a dude got lovely at me for popping a rage pomander to clear a room full of mobs on a gloom floor. Like "we could have cleared that on our own idiot we should save that for when we NEED it", you know, for all that supremely challenging content you face all the time on floors 51-60 of POTD when you have a healer. "I tend to call out stupid when I see it" was a quote of his He had a lovely friend with him too but fortunately the other pubbie was cool and on my side
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Fortuitous Bumble posted:I tried measuring the effect of Protect on myself during open world combat and didn't see any difference in the damage I was taking from auto attacks (this was leveling somewhere in the 60s). I'm not sure if this was because there was something going on with the way the game rounds numbers, or if there are diminishing returns for non-tank armor, or if something was just bugged. the only role that will get appreciable mitigation from protect is tanks and like dragoons. it's calculated using a percentage of your armor stat, which is only high on fending gear and less so on maiming gear.
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Anyone know if being on the inside track on turns in a chocobo race affects how quickly you get through the race? does changing lanes affect it at all? Also should I be lathering it? What should I do to get rid of it if not, let up on the gas or actively backpedal? Ciaphas fucked around with this message at 04:23 on Aug 6, 2017 |
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Aug 6, 2017 04:16
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Ciaphas posted:Anyone know if being on the inside track on turns in a chocobo race affects how quickly you get through the race? does changing lanes affect it at all? Always try to be on the inside track, because even in on-rails chocobo racing games, the shortest route is the fastest. You have to actively pull back to become un-lathered IIRC.
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Ciaphas posted:Anyone know if being on the inside track on turns in a chocobo race affects how quickly you get through the race? does changing lanes affect it at all? It's slotcar racing, so yes, being on the inside is faster. Granted, the "inside" changes a bit on certain tracks, and it requires a high Cunning stat to switch lanes without losing much speed. Lathering is to be expected and you will be lathering for roughly 70-80% of the race unless your endurance stat is so far above your top speed stat that it doesn't, and in that case something has gone wrong. Backpedaling will make you unlather considerably quicker, but it'll take much longer to make it back up to speed based on your Acceleration, so the better thing to do is when you feel confident in your 1st or 2nd placement is to just let up on the gas.
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Depending on what rank (R-XXX) you're racing in, there are traps on the optimal racing line with little charge up so really, it's probably only worth thinking about which lane you're in on extremely sharp corners like the final one of Sagolii Road because the AI totally sucks on those so you can win or lose races on those corners.
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Aug 6, 2017 07:53
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Jay Rust posted:I don't think you should pick fights with strangers. Cool, another reason to link this.  Basically one of the Samurai are mad that they died (nominally due to pulling threat, ACT just confuses me so I can't actually tell), the tanks start insulting him and pretty much state they're either just running parsers or just using the threat list to read dps. You can follow along from there. In conclusion: gently caress tanks.
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This week I had a tank in Haukke that got mad because he thought we were pulling for him so he stepped to the side in the middle of a four pull and said, "I asked you not to pull  "By the end of that pack he started tanking again when he realized that as a WHM I could tank just fine.
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Chucat posted:Cool, another reason to link this. Clear out your inventory man
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nuru posted:This week I had a tank in Haukke that got mad because he thought we were pulling for him so he stepped to the side in the middle of a four pull and said, "I asked you not to pull Shoot, a level ~30 WHM probably feels about as beefy as a level 30 DRK. Has the same number of built-in defensive cooldowns too.  Also, newbie success story: I wound up tanking for the world's most honest healer in Copperbell last night, as in they were just hitting Cure off of cooldown. With quite a bit of polite encouragement, I got them to stop doing that mostly, and even throw some rocks at the end boss. Good job, sprout person. 
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Here's a summary of all the stuff from the Yoshida in-game interview https://gamerescape.com/2017/08/05/yoshi-ps-walk-on-gaia-data-center-reveals-new-info/ Shinryu Extreme in 4.1!
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I just can't imagine DFing O1S or whatever and running into Yoshi P. I wonder if he's good.
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SonicRulez posted:I just can't imagine DFing O1S or whatever and running into Yoshi P. I wonder if he's good. Depends on how you mean. If you could somehow come up with content he'd never seen, he'd be pretty good but not phenomenal. But he has the advantage of knowing all the mechanics before they happen, so of course he's gonna play well.
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Nearly everyone knows what the mechanics are before they're going to happen if they're remotely determined to do content thanks to the deluge of guides and instruction available, most are still incapable of doing simple things correctly.
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Blockhouse posted:Here's a summary of all the stuff from the Yoshida in-game interview This was a given but I'm still please looking forward to it. What would a Shinryu weapon look like? Rainbow lightning?
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ruta posted:I find stony silence works well when someone tries to ask why I don't use Protect. They'll just assume you can't type or something and then they'll assume you're too stupid to figure out how to slot Protect. LOL You are the literal devil and next time I play healer I'm totally doing this.
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Thundarr posted:What would a Shinryu weapon look like? Rainbow lightning? Golden dragonscales with a rainbow sheen when it catches the light. Also patches of gratuitous red fur for extra fanciness.
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Blockhouse posted:Here's a summary of all the stuff from the Yoshida in-game interview Screw that, I want that boss to be an actual Yojimbo trial.
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