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Arglebargle III posted:Not giving a gently caress is a big part of Sisko's character. If Sisko gave a gently caress about Starfleet rules things would have gone very badly in Rapture and In the Pale Moonlight or even The Circle. He has chewed both O'Brien and Dax out at least once each though. Granted, he ignores direct orders from an admiral just a few episodes prior, and goes to rescue Odo from the Tal Shiar. Starfleet protocol must just lean toward success - if you disobey orders but what you do actually works, you don't see much in the way of consequences.
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It's the Federation Starfleet. Consequences are "stern reprimand on your file", "explaining yourself to an admiral who will sternly tell you it was unacceptable, just like the last 5 time you did it", and occasionally "demoted back to the job you were best at". The worst punishment we've seen on screen was likely "scrub plasma conduits for a month" which sounds like a bitch, but that was only when the character actually failed at something.
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Jeb can you give us a heads up of when you are going to be watching Best of Both Worlds? I want to follow your reactions live.
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8one6 posted:It's the Federation Starfleet. Consequences are "stern reprimand on your file", "explaining yourself to an admiral who will sternly tell you it was unacceptable, just like the last 5 time you did it", and occasionally "demoted back to the job you were best at". Tom Paris and Ro Laren both went to Federation prisons before we met them, and Paris in the Delta Quadrant got a demotion and 30 days in the brig. Eddington also ended up in prison eventually. Sisko also tells Worf after he gets one of those reprimands, "most likely you will never get your own command because of this."
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Aug 6, 2017 14:44
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I just got to season 3 of Enterprise. HOW DID THEY MAKE THE THEME SONG WORSE. Jesus.
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Was wondering again about the Risa discussion I think was way back, if they have at least part of the planet be Hawaii all day every day, makes me wonder if they vary it up. Imagine a ski resort where the sky is always clear and the snow's always... whatever snow is good for skiing on. And just next door the snow is solid and packed so you can leave your kids to construct full snow castles.
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turn left hillary!! noo posted:He has chewed both O'Brien and Dax out at least once each though. Granted, he ignores direct orders from an admiral just a few episodes prior, and goes to rescue Odo from the Tal Shiar. Don't forget Sisko is a religious figure to the Bajorans and Starfleet Command can't pull him out of his position without endangering the whole Bajor project so Sisko knows he has a ton of job security. Also he's a good friend of the wormhole aliens and by Season 6 they can't really remove him from his position ever at all. I think in Rapture they have the "what are you gonna do, fire me?" conversation.
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Aug 6, 2017 19:31
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Lol yeah, they had some really nice speculative medicine sci fi then turned around and set back understanding of evolution a few decades. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99lyU5N--f8
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Senor Tron posted:Jeb can you give us a heads up of when you are going to be watching Best of Both Worlds? I want to follow your reactions live. Okay, I'm gonna watch it at 9 EST on Monday.
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Aug 6, 2017 22:35
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Are you going to watch parts 1 and 2 back-to-back?
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But I sometimes pause the episode to take a screenshot or get up so it won't be in perfect real-time.
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Aug 6, 2017 22:39
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shadok posted:Are you going to watch parts 1 and 2 back-to-back? I'm thinking about waiting a day between them to get the broadcast experience if it's a cliffhanger.
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Aug 6, 2017 22:39
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Jeb! Repetition posted:I'm thinking about waiting a day between them to get the broadcast experience if it's a cliffhanger. To get the true experience you need to watch part one tomorrow and part 2 in November.
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Aug 6, 2017 23:25
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Ironically, Sisko is far more of a politician than Picard. Picard is fanatically dedicated to the mission of Starfleet and the principles for which it stands. Sisko has a more instrumental relationship with Starfleet; he is an important instrument for Starfleet to achieve its goals on the Cardassian border, but he isn't afraid to use Starfleet to change the galaxy in accordance to Sisko's personal principles. Picard has made Starfleet into his life; Sisko plans to build a house on Bajor and seriously considers resignation to go live on Bajor more than once.
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Aug 6, 2017 23:27
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HOW DO THE FEDERATION CITIZENS ON DS9 PAY FOR QUARK'S BAR AAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Arglebargle III posted:HOW DO THE FEDERATION CITIZENS ON DS9 PAY FOR QUARK'S BAR AAAAAAAAAAAAAA With latinum, I thought this had been long settled.
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Arglebargle III posted:HOW DO THE FEDERATION CITIZENS ON DS9 PAY FOR QUARK'S BAR AAAAAAAAAAAAAA Latinum earned by working for other polities, I'd imagine. As for Starfleet, the Federation probably has a reserve of latinum for the purposes of trade and gives a stipend to personnel stationed in places where latinum is helpful to have, like DS9.
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Aug 6, 2017 23:57
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After reading The Fifty Year Mission, I can't help but think TOS became a cargo cult thing for the people making Star Trek post-TNG. It seems like in these interviews everyone made it a point of pride to say that TOS is the best without much real consideration.
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Aug 7, 2017 01:36
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Well that's because they actually watched TOS. Well, a few episodes. Well, selections from a few episodes, in a board room meeting, "to get the feel."
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You are supposed to say TOS for maximum cred with hardcores. Talk of things like two-thirds of TOS episodes being loving dire are not to be mentioned.
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Aug 7, 2017 01:53
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Also if your main way of having seen Star Trek are the movies, then the TOS ones average out way better than the TNG ones.
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Aug 7, 2017 01:59
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Yeah if it weren't for the TOS movies, people would have stopped giving a poo poo about Star Trek in the 80's.
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It also shows how much sexing up Star Trek is missing the point, since the best most memorable films star a bunch of fat old men talking.
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Brawnfire posted:It also shows how much sexing up Star Trek is missing the point, since the best most memorable films star a bunch of fat old men talking. All of the best parts of Star Trek are just people talking, I literally don't have any favorite "action" moments I can think of off the top of my head. Maybe the Enterprise separating for battle? That was kinda cool?
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dont even fink about it posted:Yeah if it weren't for the TOS movies, people would have stopped giving a poo poo about Star Trek in the 80's. Fair enough. WampaLord posted:All of the best parts of Star Trek are just people talking, I literally don't have any favorite "action" moments I can think of off the top of my head. The imagination of Shatner's Kirk as an action hero is especially hilarious to me.
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dont even fink about it posted:You are supposed to say TOS for maximum cred with hardcores. Talk of things like two-thirds of TOS episodes being loving dire are not to be mentioned. Except it doesn't work, because most hardcores would have TNG or DS9 at the top of their list. And most casuals would have the JJ films, TNG or Voyager in mind.
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Arglebargle III posted:HOW DO THE FEDERATION CITIZENS ON DS9 PAY FOR QUARK'S BAR AAAAAAAAAAAAAA There's a scene in Encounter at Farpoint where Beverly is shopping for cloth and she tells the merchant to bill it to the ship. So I think every Starfleet ship or starbase has some money allocated to it and the crews just spend that when they interact with non-Federation economies. Everyone is budgeted a certain amount and if you blow it all on Dabo, you're eating at the replimat for the rest of the month.
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I heard them all in my head
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TOS is the one literally everyone on Earth has heard of. If you go into the least nerdy venue you can think of and ask people if they've heard of Star Trek, they will reply "is that the one with Captain Kark and Mr. Sprocket?" So whenever a new Star Trek thing happens, the execs need to make sure they mention how it relates to Kirk and Spock.
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I'm watching "Final Mission", and Dirgo is funny. I expected this episode to at least be partly about how Dirgo's low-tech improvised lifestyle may not be "star fleet regulation" but it gets the job done. Instead he's just a huge dumbass, is wrong about literally everything, and dies like an rear end in a top hat.
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Pakled posted:As for Starfleet, the Federation probably has a reserve of latinum for the purposes of trade and gives a stipend to personnel stationed in places where latinum is helpful to have, like DS9. "I'd like 5 bars of gold-pressed latinum please." "Well...I don't know. It's a limited resource." "But...but I'm a citizen!" "Maybe...there's something you have...that's of...equal value? You can give it to me in compensation?" "Or...I could do something for you! Something that's worth the same amount as five bars!" "AAAGH!" "Gene? What is it honey?" "I just had the most horrible nightmare."
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Cojawfee posted:TOS is the one literally everyone on Earth has heard of. If you go into the least nerdy venue you can think of and ask people if they've heard of Star Trek, they will reply "is that the one with Captain Kark and Mr. Sprocket?" So whenever a new Star Trek thing happens, the execs need to make sure they mention how it relates to Kirk and Spock. This is very, very accurate. 
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FuturePastNow posted:There's a scene in Encounter at Farpoint where Beverly is shopping for cloth and she tells the merchant to bill it to the ship. Well except for the fifty times throughout the years they directly contradict this by definitively stating that money doesn't exist anymore. Cojawfee posted:TOS is the one literally everyone on Earth has heard of. If you go into the least nerdy venue you can think of and ask people if they've heard of Star Trek, they will reply "is that the one with Captain Kark and Mr. Sprocket?" So whenever a new Star Trek thing happens, the execs need to make sure they mention how it relates to Kirk and Spock. Someone somewhere in marketing did the arithmetic and came up with "Yes. We must reboot TOS-era Star Trek over and over."
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dont even fink about it posted:Well except for the fifty times throughout the years they directly contradict this by definitively stating that money doesn't exist anymore. No, they're clear that money exists and is used everywhere that isn't the Federation.
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FuturePastNow posted:No, they're clear that money exists and is used everywhere that isn't the Federation. The real answer is that Star Trek is just wildly inconsistent, but if you need head canon it's easy to imagine that the Federation is just so hilariously rich that it's fine with letting people living on a station like DS9 run up basically infinite tabs. Nobody cares if you're in Quark's every day playing Dabo or buying rounds for the house, just as long as you're not, like, literally trying to buy the bar on your Federation account. Either that or the Federation has secret latinum replication technology and they're handing the stuff out like candy as part of a long game to crash the Ferengi economy.
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The most sensible in-universe explanation is that "we've evolved beyond money" is just propaganda for the consumption of alien species and humans from the unenlightened past. Whenever Federation people are alone with each other or really really need to buy something they talk about money all the time. "Ah - Tuvok's meditation lamp. I was with him when he got it six years ago, from a Vulcan master. Who doubled the price when he saw our Starfleet insignias."
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VitalSigns posted:The most sensible in-universe explanation is that "we've evolved beyond money" is just propaganda for the consumption of alien species and humans from the unenlightened past. Wouldn't you double the price when you run into the post-scarcity guys who don't really know or care how much anything costs because their society is so rich and so automated that it can buy anything for them?
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