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Lurdiak posted:Watchmen was definitely not made better by diluting its political commentary, dated as some of it might've been by the time the film came out. I'll tell you what will definitely make Watchmen better. Having Superman punch Dr Manhattan in the face.
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lelandjs posted:I don't dismiss it! I've read the entire thing, front to back, twice (okay I skipped the essays the second time around). It's a hugely important work, and Dave Sim's role in encouraging and protecting indie comic creators cannot be overstated. quote:O: Are there parts of your story that you would still like to address, or perspectives that you feel you haven't yet had the chance to get across? 
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Plenty of artists are creeps. Dave Sims is vocal and lovely about his creepiness, but just on like a basic universal barometer, what Thurston Moore and Wayne Coyne have done in the past few years is way more creepy and bad. "Kill yr idols" is now so ironic it hurts.
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Musicians don't count, it's almost a requirement to be lovely to be a musician.
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iirc Dave Sim has paranoid schizophrenia which is part of why he's such a weird rear end in a top hat
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Aphrodite posted:Musicians don't count, it's almost a requirement to be lovely to be a musician. Has anyone mentioned Varg yet?
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So this season of Rick and Morty kind of sucks so far.
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It's great actually unless you're in love with Rick
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Arist posted:It's great actually unless you're in love with Rick The R&M thread reminded me why I avoid most threads for shows in progress.
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Aphrodite posted:Musicians don't count, it's almost a requirement to be lovely to be a musician. It's certainly a requirement to be a good musician. Even Michael Stipe is (allegedly) a terrible womanizer (and man-izer, whatever the term for that is). His ex-boyfriend wrote a novel about their relationship and at the time they were together he was a coke-fueled monster (hence the album after he got clean being named... monster)
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McSpanky posted:The R&M thread reminded me why I avoid most threads for shows in progress. I'm sorry
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IRQ posted:Has anyone mentioned Varg yet? The Count acted in self defense! It's jut the other guys attack hasn't started and might not ever have. But still!
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This season of R&M is great so far, I've been enjoying it more than season two. My main problem with the show is still that Rick is simultaneously the funniest and least compelling character, and it completely loses me every time they try to get me to care about him as a person. Rick is just Dan Harmon's Gary Stu self-insert character and all of his problems boil down to "Rick is an rear end in a top hat, but he's always right and it's everyone else's fault that he's too real for them". I'm really tired of the writers trying to have their cake and eat it too by making Rick a tragic character but not making him flawed or experience hardship in a meaningful way. It's a shame too, because the rest of the cast is really well written.
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HorseRenoir posted:This season of R&M is great so far, I've been enjoying it more than season two. This is the opposite of the truth though? Like, the latest episode is a complete refutation of this entire idea
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You guys are too invested in Dan Harmon's personal life. Rick and Morty is awesome, always.
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R&M is awesome. The fandom is doing it's best to be the worst fandom ever.
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If creative types were nice people they'd have real jobs.
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Rocksicles posted:If creative types were nice people they'd have real jobs. Windy & Carl own a record store  (and also are genuinely super nice people)
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I was curious if the third season turn would happen to a show as ridiculously beloved as Rick and Morty, but no show is immune. The internet turns on every nerd show in season 3
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I remember a while ago Snak asked how he was supposed to finish Korra when I mentioned Season 4 wasn't streaming on Amazon Prime. Well, it turns out it is streaming somewhere... Nickelodeon's website! Hope you can link a cable provider and deal with their lovely player!
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precision posted:Windy & Carl own a record store Don't get specific, tortured artists need to either be tortured or to torture. It's been a thing since day 1
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I've never heard of Cerebrus but the discussion makes me think of that scene from The Wire where McNulty tells Daniels that the Judge is a piece of poo poo and Daniels replies with "We're all pieces of poo poo when we're in your way. That goes with the territory."
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HorseRenoir posted:This season of R&M is great so far, I've been enjoying it more than season two. I actually mostly agree but it doesn't stop me from enjoying the show because it's still really funny. I just don't think the show's earned its sentimentality in most cases.
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I think this season of Rick & Morty has been good. Great, even! But then again I personally think the show peaked with S01E02 "Lawnmower Dog", so...
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lmao, what a loving twat. "you ask what other things do I feel I want to say, plebe? heh, let me ramble on for 10 minutes about how histrionic you are." gently caress this manchild and gently caress his comic book McSpanky posted:The R&M thread reminded me why I avoid most threads for shows in progress. You should avoid other peoples' opinions on R&M in general, that poo poo is on a level that other shows don't deserve to be tainted with. raditts fucked around with this message at 05:19 on Aug 8, 2017 |
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Arist posted:This is the opposite of the truth though? Like, the latest episode is a complete refutation of this entire idea And this is hardly the first episode to say so.
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My point is that even when Rick gets called out on his bullshit, it never really sticks in a meaningful way. Every time Rick encounters a problem, it's either shown to be someone else's fault or he easily solves the problem without any outside help. Rick is never not being depicted as a super-competent badass who always has the answers, whose only flaw is that he's too smart and cynical and correct to deal with normal people (but the show often agrees with his cynicism, which doesn't really make it a flaw). The writers really want the viewer to emphasize with how hard it is to be Rick, and I think the sentiment is largely unearned. I think it would make a huge difference if, just once, the writers put Rick into a situation where he was wrong and Morty was right.
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HorseRenoir posted:My point is that even when Rick gets called out on his bullshit, it never really sticks in a meaningful way. Every time Rick encounters a problem, it's either shown to be someone else's fault or he easily solves the problem without any outside help. Rick is never not being depicted as a super-competent badass who always has the answers, whose only flaw is that he's too smart and cynical and correct to deal with normal people (but the show often agrees with his cynicism, which doesn't really make it a flaw). The writers really want the viewer to emphasize with how hard it is to be Rick, and I think the sentiment is largely unearned. I've only watched like 50% of rick and morty so far, so I'm not caught up and am avoiding spoilers, but that's already happened at least once, so...
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HorseRenoir posted:I think it would make a huge difference if, just once, the writers put Rick into a situation where he was wrong and Morty was right. That's probably not going to happen, at least not in the explicit way you want. You know why? Because humans aren't that easy. Put Rick into that kind of situation and he will somehow twist it so that he's right because that's the kind of person he is. He can't lose. He'll never lose. And if he does, it'll be because of something else, or because he didn't really want to win anyway. He will learn nothing because he already knows everything. What the show is asking instead is "Assume Rick Sanchez is always right. So what?" Among many other things, my therapist has been trying to drill into my head the importance of perspective when dealing with anxiety and depression, and that's Rick's issue, flat out. The man has all the answers and he keeps learning the worst possible things from them, and it's slowly destroying himself and the people he pretends not to care about. The show's exploring that in a very deliberate way, and the minute Rick has to say "Gosh Morty, m-m-maybe I was wr<BELCH>ng about this," that effort gets undermined in a very critical way. But hey, maybe it's in the cards and they'll find a way to pull it off. Who knows? DivisionPost fucked around with this message at 06:45 on Aug 8, 2017 |
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There are poo poo-tons of situations where Rick is factually right about something and it's clear the Morty understands the morality of it much better. The idea that Rick is portrayed as being "always right" is silly. But again, I'm like a season behind, so i shouldn't even be talking about this.
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HorseRenoir posted:Rick is never not being depicted as a super-competent badass who always has the answers He tried to kill himself and only failed because he was too hosed up and passed out. And as for all the answers quote:I think it would make a huge difference if, just once, the writers put Rick into a situation where he was wrong and Morty was right. In the episode with the parasites Morty basically instantly figures out they can only show happy memories and Rick is completely surprised by this idea. Rick is so emotionally retarded he couldn't figure out the obvious, and Morty had to come up with the clever solution. Everything on the show has consequences, they just aren't all glaring in neon and obvious. Morty bitches and freaks out a bit less, but is also way more disturbed than when the show started. Hell, you could make the argument that Rick finally driving Jerry off is just another coping mechanism, as the original Rick was too burnt to even give a poo poo about controlling the people he actually cares about that much.
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you know what would be really awesome? talking about Rick and Morty in the Rick and Morty thread someone on Twitter asked a question about people's favorite forgotten TV shows and the first thing that came to my mind was Perfect Couples, which was a kinda bland sitcom that was only notable because the cast was loving stacked with really talented people all of whom pretty much went on to do bigger and better things or continue to star in sitcoms that didn't quite take off. Case in point: Kyle Bornheimer: The ultimate sitcom "That Guy", showed up in everything from Brooklyn Nine-Nine to Casual to Agent Carter to Playing House to Comedy Bang-Bang, and that's not including all of his one-off guest spots. Christine Woods: Played opposite Stephen Merchant in Hello Ladies, also played Matthew Perry's dead wife in Goon and Thomas Lennon's living wife in The Odd Couple David Walton: Starred in Bent and About a Boy, also showed up repeatedly in New Girl and cheated on Mila Kunis in Bad Moms. Mary Elizabeth Ellis: The Waitress! Also was Fred Savage's wife in The Grinder. Hayes MacArthur: Angie Tribeca's partner, also Matthew Perry's buddy in Goon Olivia Munn: Psylocke, Newsroom, a bunch of other movies, former girlfriend of Aaron Rodgers.
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I wish Kyle Bornheimer would find a show that works. The first time I saw him was on Worst Week which I think was another sitcom that died too soon. At least with the concept it still works as a good easy one season watch. But he’s great at the slapstick physical comedy stuff and I enjoy him pretty much every time he shows up in something, even when he occasionally shows up in dramas he’s good.
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"Stop talking about this show I don't care about! Talk about this really boring poo poo instead" hehe
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Escobarbarian posted:"Stop talking about this show I don't care about! Talk about this really boring poo poo instead" hehe Alright if you wanna keep going whatever, I'll just talk about my lame NBC sitcoms in the R&M thread. I'm sure that will go over great.
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But this isn't the lame NBC sitcom thread. It's general chat. Trying to shut down a certain discussion because it personally doesn't interest you seems so weird, unless it was getting actively malicious and such. But mainly it was just people explaining to one poster how exactly he misunderstood one episode. To add to your discussion the only names from that list I could recognise are Ellis and Munn, so I can't really relate. e: also, to go back to an earlier discussion, why do people hate Gaiman so much?
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Comic writers are basically like Highlander.
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Escobarbarian posted:e: also, to go back to an earlier discussion, why do people hate Gaiman so much? I don't hate him but I think his writing is just a notch or two above Dan Brown tier.
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Escobarbarian posted:"Stop talking about this show I don't care about! Talk about this really boring poo poo instead" hehe Are you new? X-O posted:Greetings 2017, sure to be a fantastic year! Right?
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DivisionPost posted:That's probably not going to happen, at least not in the explicit way you want. You know why? Because humans aren't that easy. Put Rick into that kind of situation and he will somehow twist it so that he's right because that's the kind of person he is. He can't lose. He'll never lose. And if he does, it'll be because of something else, or because he didn't really want to win anyway. He will learn nothing because he already knows everything. I don't really care about all that, I just don't find it very funny. Both episodes have leaned way too hard into almost Superjail levels of " gratuitous violence = instant funny" and the Mad Max episode was borderline Family Guy in terms of how many of its jokes were just things from the movies only this time it's Morty doing the Hulkamaniac pose in the Thunderdome and and instead of spitting gasoline into their engines they're using Rick's flask 
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