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Generic Monk posted:also they removed this feature in the 5k generation This was probably because, at the time, the best available version of DisplayPort was only capable of 30 Hz refresh rate at 5K resolution.
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BobHoward posted:This was probably because, at the time, the best available version of DisplayPort was only capable of 30 Hz refresh rate at 5K resolution. latest version has tb3 and there are no plans to bring the feature back  Pivo posted:this is not true. unless you are buying some $300 budget af laptop, 1080p is the minimum and 4K touch screens are surprisingly an option on quite a lot of them like i said, most windows laptops are still shipping with 1366x768 tn panels. 90% of people buying the 1366x768 laptops don't have the money for a macbook or non-poo poo windows laptop; the other 10% actively hate what they're using and do not want to invest any amount of thought into thinking about a thing that they don't even want to understand, so they either get aggressively sold one of the 768p shittops at the big box store or they buy the cheapest possible thing they can find online, just to stop thinking about it depending on how ~consumer savvy~ they're feeling that day. one of the best things the ipod, iphone and resultant apple brand has done, and i mean this totally earnestly and without a shred of irony, is literally trick people into having a better computing experience by convincing them to spend the requisite amount of money to get a computer that isn't literally falling apart Generic Monk fucked around with this message at 15:54 on Aug 6, 2017 |
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Pivo posted:the Surface Studio is absolutely gorgeous; unfortunately it is very underpowered and completely non upgradeable for the extreme cost. i'm talking trashcan Mac Pro levels of cost + worse un-upgradeability. it targets a very niche market. and it doesn't adjust to sit flat, it does go down to a fairly shallow angle like a drafting table. since you are paying so much for that display and hinge, and it can't be paired with more powerful hardware, it's a bit of an issue. i do recommend playing with one though, the hinge and display is incredible. I fee like an appropriate next step is to sell that display + hinge on its own. Anyway - back to Mac talk. I get the grumps regarding the mini but I can't really find a place for it in my setup. That said, I am aggressively moving toward a single machine setup. My desktop is now just me plugging a dock into my 2016 MBP and using it that way.
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Pivo posted:the Surface Studio is absolutely gorgeous; unfortunately it is very underpowered and completely non upgradeable for the extreme cost. i'm talking trashcan Mac Pro levels of cost + worse un-upgradeability. it targets a very niche market. and it doesn't adjust to sit flat, it does go down to a fairly shallow angle like a drafting table. since you are paying so much for that display and hinge, and it can't be paired with more powerful hardware, it's a bit of an issue. i do recommend playing with one though, the hinge and display is incredible. If it was half the price for the respective spec/cost levels I'd give it a resounding "maybe I'll buy that" for my work, but at the current cost there's no justification for it. I don't even think it's worth considering as a designer for design work. I mean, pen input is pretty neat but Surface displays are really really bad at not getting jitters and correctly registering precise input. Maybe this isn't as important for people who do more broader brushwork or something. An iPad Pro is probably better for drawing honestly, the Pencil is pretty great. Save drawings on it to cloud storage to gently caress with on a regular computer. It's dumb to consider that I could save money by going with Apple instead.
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Shoota_McG posted:I have almost the same machine but I kept the i5 (3.8GHz quad core) and went with the 512 SSD (with an external Sandisk USB3 500 GB SSD). It's been really great. This thread has me considering just returning the one I ordered and getting one with a 512gb internal SSD since apparently they are 5x faster than a sata III ssd. And apple only connector. The only thing stopping me is the thought that, if it really pisses me off, an NVMe m.2 external SSD drive connected through thunderbolt 3 should have the same speed as an internal drive (in the future where such a thing exists and is compatible with mac). Then I could just boot from the external drive. Or maybe I got it all wrong. Again.
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rdb posted:This thread has me considering just returning the one I ordered and getting one with a 512gb internal SSD since apparently they are 5x faster than a sata III ssd. And apple only connector. My take, is that you could always just add mass storage through USB 3 and leave that internal drive as your boot drive. I've got the 512 SSD inside, the 500 GB USB3 SSD (it reads at just 500 MBps), and a 4TB NAS.
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I went with a Fusion drive on my iMac. I'm not terribly happy with it as I'm used to the SSD boot speeds, but I couldn't justify the price. I also have this nagging feeling that external USB-C options will only get better.
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jokes posted:If it was half the price for the respective spec/cost levels I'd give it a resounding "maybe I'll buy that" for my work, but at the current cost there's no justification for it. Why not just use a cintiq?
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tuyop posted:Why not just use a cintiq? Cintiq is nothing but a specialized touchscreen monitor instead of a whole device and they cost just as much.
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Aug 7, 2017 18:12
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Mein Eyes! posted:I went with a Fusion drive on my iMac. I'm not terribly happy with it as I'm used to the SSD boot speeds, but I couldn't justify the price. I also have this nagging feeling that external USB-C options will only get better. Can you return it?
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Boiled Water posted:Can you return it? I'm considering it, but then again I'm not sure the Fusion drive is such a problem for my use. I'll see how I feel after a week.
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Mein Eyes! posted:I went with a Fusion drive on my iMac. I'm not terribly happy with it as I'm used to the SSD boot speeds, but I couldn't justify the price. I also have this nagging feeling that external USB-C options will only get better. Did you get the 2TB?
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Mein Eyes! posted:I went with a Fusion drive on my iMac. I'm not terribly happy with it as I'm used to the SSD boot speeds, but I couldn't justify the price. I also have this nagging feeling that external USB-C options will only get better. I have a 3TB Fusion drive and it seems to work pretty well. Bootup is pretty snappy and I've not noticed any read-write problems. Then again, I'm used to an ancient HDD in a 7-year-old MBP, so I probably have no idea what I'm missing.
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Krispy Kareem posted:Why are you rebooting an iMac often enough to notice how slow it is? You know, I feel like I constantly see you responding to people's issues with an Apple product they purchased by criticizing the validity of their use case.
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[quote="“ArgumentatumE.C.T.”" post="“475134958”"] You know, I feel like I constantly see you responding to people’s issues with an Apple product they purchased by criticizing the validity of their use case. [/quote] Just being a little sarcastic. It’s unusual to reboot a laptop, much less a desktop. Even rarer an Apple desktop. If boot times are his worst issue, then it probably isn’t a big deal. If he’s seeing slow performance elsewhere then it might be a problem. Personally I’ve never seen the point of Fusion drives. Apple products are tough to fix so it’s best to keep internal moving parts to a minimum.
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Krispy Kareem posted:Just being a little sarcastic. It’s unusual to reboot a laptop, much less a desktop. Even rarer an Apple desktop. It's pretty normal to power off a machine so that encryption keys aren't stored in memory at times it's far more likely to stolen. You can configure power modes where instead of sleeping the machine will hibernate without storing the keys but it's probably more reliable to just power things down. If the machine being stolen and the data accessed isn't something you're concerned with then of course this is irrelevant, but that's not the case for everyone.
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Krispy Kareem posted:Personally I’ve never seen the point of Fusion drives. Apple products are tough to fix so it’s best to keep internal moving parts to a minimum. It's the same point as any SSHD. They get to increase the cost of goods by a pittance and convince you that it's as fast as an SSD where it really counts so you should pay extra to get the best of both worlds. Not a lot for the consumer unless you're averse to external HDDs and absolutely need the space though.
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Apples SSD pricing is absolutely insane. $1400 to upgrade from a 2TB fusion to a 2TB SSD. Equivalent to the cost of a second imac or mbp, its a real tough pill to swallow. My other big gripe is the slow rear end shipping. I don't understand why its taking 10 days to get from sunnyvale to me. Which makes me want to keep it when it does get here because I don't want to wait another 10-15 days.
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Looking to grab an older time capsule to upgrade the HD to maybe 4TB and connect it directly to my router while disabling it's wifi/dhcp/router features. Is there anything I need to know? End of life on the product? Do older time capsules still work with the latest and greatest OSX ?
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rdb posted:Apples SSD pricing is absolutely insane. $1400 to upgrade from a 2TB fusion to a 2TB SSD. Equivalent to the cost of a second imac or mbp, its a real tough pill to swallow. Look up what a high end NVMe ssd costs.
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The Lord Bude posted:Look up what a high end NVMe ssd costs. The 2TB option is a version of the 960 PRO I thought, which is not $1400. Not much cheaper, but Apple is probably making a pretty healthy profit off the upgrade.
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Eletriarnation posted:It's the same point as any SSHD. They get to increase the cost of goods by a pittance and convince you that it's as fast as an SSD where it really counts so you should pay extra to get the best of both worlds. SSHDs and Fusion drives are nowhere near the same level performance wise though. A 2tb SSHD will get you 8gb flash while a fusion will get you 128gb (or more if you build one yourself). With a fusion setup you can fit the entire OS and probably all your applications on the SSD depending on usage. An SSHD has just too little flash to be useful. I've been running fusion drive setups in my Mac mini, Mac Pro and Macbook systems and they are just as flash as a dedicated SSD for almost all my daily usage.
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SourKraut posted:The 2TB option is a version of the 960 PRO I thought Is it? They've been switching to wholly Apple-designed SSDs in most of the product line. Several years back they bought some Israeli SSD controller company, and now they have the ability to design their own SSD controllers and firmware.
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Can confirm that Apple went to totally proprietary SSDs in the 2017 models, have looked at several and there's no hint of Samsung or SanDisk components, there used to be on previous models.
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FCKGW posted:SSHDs and Fusion drives are nowhere near the same level performance wise though. A 2tb SSHD will get you 8gb flash while a fusion will get you 128gb (or more if you build one yourself). With a fusion setup you can fit the entire OS and probably all your applications on the SSD depending on usage. An SSHD has just too little flash to be useful. Yeah, that's a fair point for the larger ones. It was my understanding that smaller Fusion drives had a flash component more similar in size to consumer SSHDs, that's what I was referring to.
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What are these other network interfaces on my 2016 15" tbMBP? ifconfig outputs: code:
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tuyop posted:What are these other network interfaces on my 2016 15" tbMBP? Do you have anything like parallels or VMWare installed? What about any sort of hardware simulator (e.g. iOS). Those will create extra network interfaces. If this is a fresh install, I too am curious what those are.
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Dick Nipples posted:Do you have anything like parallels or VMWare installed? What about any sort of hardware simulator (e.g. iOS). Those will create extra network interfaces. Huh, I have played with Virtualbox like, a few times and just remove it afterwards each time. Should I be taking steps to get rid of these extra interfaces? Evis posted:Looks like you've probably also got some kind of VPN installed? I have a PiVPN for home and openvpn on this Mac.
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tuyop posted:Huh, I have played with Virtualbox like, a few times and just remove it afterwards each time. Should I be taking steps to get rid of these extra interfaces? Are you just removing the application or running the uninstaller from the original .DMG?
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BobHoward posted:Is it? They've been switching to wholly Apple-designed SSDs in most of the product line. Several years back they bought some Israeli SSD controller company, and now they have the ability to design their own SSD controllers and firmware. Binary Badger posted:Can confirm that Apple went to totally proprietary SSDs in the 2017 models, have looked at several and there's no hint of Samsung or SanDisk components, there used to be on previous models. Oh ok, for some reason I'd though I had remembered reading that based on benchmarks it was, but cool. Though I bet they're making even more profit on the upgrades then...
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tuyop posted:Huh, I have played with Virtualbox like, a few times and just remove it afterwards each time. Should I be taking steps to get rid of these extra interfaces? The extra interfaces shouldn't be causing any issues. That said, it's usually a Good Thing (TM) as Bob Morales said, to run the actual uninstaller: Bob Morales posted:Are you just removing the application or running the uninstaller from the original .DMG? Regarding VPN - the tunnel interfaces are related to that.
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I think I noticed the uninstalled the last couple of times. I do this fairly regularly, like more than once a month. I should probably just install it and leave it. I guess I'll just ignore the extra interfaces then. No big deal. Thanks though!
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Eletriarnation posted:Yeah, that's a fair point for the larger ones. It was my understanding that smaller Fusion drives had a flash component more similar in size to consumer SSHDs, that's what I was referring to. 1TB fusion -> 24GB flash. I think most SSHDs have 8GB flash. So, closer to a SSHD than to the 128GB in bigger Fusion configs, but still a lot bigger than SSHD. The other Fusion advantage is that it's a real SSD connected through PCIe. What you get in a SSHD is very constrained by both SATA and the need for the drives to be barely more expensive than regular HDDs (or the notoriously cheap general PC market won't buy them). TLDR: in practice 1TB fusion should be significantly better than a 1TB SSHD.
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Will I be alright if I pick up a 2012 Mac Mini? I'm interested in its upgradability but I'd also like to be able to keep up with OSX releases. I'm not really sure if there's a rule I should be following when purchasing used Apple hardware.
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I just got a 2012 too. The last OS break point was stuff that came natively with BT4. I think the next one will be Metal-capable graphics, of which the 2012 Mini actually has! The only real reason to go for the 2012 is if you're going to get the quad core, but don't worry about trying to get the server version - the dual drive kit from iFixit is super cheap and easy to install. I have a 1TB SSD and 2TB spinner in mine with 16GB of RAM and it's a beast.
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We had a fair bit of discussion about the 2012 a month or two back when I was buying mine. I have zero regrets but I made sure it at least had an SSD in it, as I couldn't be bothered to do the swapout myself and a platter system drive was a no-go for me. $375 delivered got me a 128gb ssd 8gb ram model of the normal i5. Took me a bit of hunting to get one for that price, but suits me down to the ground.
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Aren’t the 2012 Minis the most desirable ones? At least the ones with the desktop CPU. I have a 2011 that still runs surprisingly well.
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Krispy Kareem posted:Aren’t the 2012 Minis the most desirable ones? At least the ones with the desktop CPU. I think the i7 quads are, yeah.
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