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Whoa hey now, Crusher isn't a eugenicist who believes epidemics are nature's way of doing away with inferior races.
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8one6 posted:Agreed. They should have had Doctor Selar for CMO in the second season. Yes, please! 
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Aug 9, 2017 11:43
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I feel like a Selar/Worf romance has potential
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Aug 9, 2017 11:48
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:It's not like you go to jail if you break contract. The biggest consequence of doing so would probably be that Paramount (and perhaps/likely other Hollywood studios) would refuse to work with you again afterward, but Stewart wasn't from Hollywood; he could always just go back to the UK and do theatre again, and still be able to hit up the convention circuit if he wanted some extra spending money. I mean he could but believe me the paycheques are a lot smaller.
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Aug 9, 2017 11:52
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VitalSigns posted:Whoa hey now, Crusher isn't a eugenicist who believes epidemics are nature's way of doing away with inferior races. Make one little intentional genocide...
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Aug 9, 2017 12:20
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VitalSigns posted:Whoa hey now, Crusher isn't a eugenicist who believes epidemics are nature's way of doing away with inferior races. 
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Aug 9, 2017 13:57
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VitalSigns posted:Whoa hey now, Crusher isn't a eugenicist who believes epidemics are nature's way of doing away with inferior races. "And that horrible act of callous indifference became one of our most beloved cultural directives!"
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Aug 9, 2017 14:17
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VitalSigns posted:I feel like a Selar/Worf romance has potential She'd just remind him of his ex
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Aug 9, 2017 17:23
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Nah, he's right, Pulaski was terrible, but it wasn't Diana Muldaur's fault. Maurice Hurley just really, really hated women (he sexually harassed McFadden and made her life hell to the point that she quit the show), so he got off on writing Pulaski as a cold-hearted bitch who hated Data. Crusher was pretty horribly written most of the time (God, wait until Jeb! hits Sub Rosa), too, but to be fair most of the secondary characters were: Troi serves no purpose other than to say she senses deceit and occasionally have her empathic powers blow up, Geordi's a space sperg, Worf is an idiot. Big Mean Jerk posted:She'd just remind him of his ex 
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Aug 9, 2017 17:24
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Nerd question - during the original series era (five-year mission), where there are other types of ship classes for Starfleet besides the Constitution-class?
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Aug 9, 2017 17:43
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Honestly with Pulaski it felt like they were trying to go for a Spock-Bones dynamic but since Data never really ever hit back it just came off as super super mean.
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Aug 9, 2017 17:46
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CobiWann posted:Nerd question - during the original series era (five-year mission), where there are other types of ship classes for Starfleet besides the Constitution-class? Outside of a brief shot of the USS Antares that's only in the remastered TOS, we never see another Starfleet ship other than the Constitution and Constitution Refit until the Miranda-class, largely because they just couldn't afford to build more ships -- that's why the wrecked USS Constellation was an AMT model kit, and why all of a sudden the Romulans were using Klingon D-7s (well, there's a story that says Wah Chang destroyed the Bird of Prey model, but I'm not sure whether or not that's apocryphal). Timby fucked around with this message at 17:52 on Aug 9, 2017 |
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Aug 9, 2017 17:49
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CobiWann posted:Nerd question - during the original series era (five-year mission), where there are other types of ship classes for Starfleet besides the Constitution-class? None mentioned in the show, unless you count the robot freighter from the animated series tribble episode. (I remember the engine nacelles looking like Starfleet's) The officially licensed Star Fleet Technical Manual depicted other ship classes - it's up to you to decide if those were "real" or not.
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Aug 9, 2017 17:51
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feedmegin posted:I mean he could but believe me the paycheques are a lot smaller. Absolutely, and that's definitely a factor too. My point was that "but he was under a six-year contract" doesn't mean that he couldn't have walked if he decided playing Captain Picard wasn't worth what Paramount was willing to pay him. Gorelab posted:Honestly with Pulaski it felt like they were trying to go for a Spock-Bones dynamic but since Data never really ever hit back it just came off as super super mean. Does she even really do this after, like, the first third of the season?
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Aug 9, 2017 17:58
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Gorelab posted:Honestly with Pulaski it felt like they were trying to go for a Spock-Bones dynamic but since Data never really ever hit back it just came off as super super mean. Yeah that's how I saw it. Data is perfectly innocent and incapable of defending himself and she was picking on him for what seemed like no reason. Not even any backstory about how an android killed her dog.
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Timby posted:Nah, he's right, Pulaski was terrible, but it wasn't Diana Muldaur's fault. Maurice Hurley just really, really hated women (he sexually harassed McFadden and made her life hell to the point that she quit the show), so he got off on writing Pulaski as a cold-hearted bitch who hated Data. It's obviously a subjective thing (the parts of the writing that are objectively bad aside, which is not all of it) but I like Polaski a lot. And to be clear, I like Crusher a lot too, despite the whole TNG hates its women stuff, they're a central part of the thing I grew up with, even if I look back and all of them are just weird, 2D monster images of people now.
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Aug 9, 2017 18:02
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Absolutely, and that's definitely a factor too. My point was that "but he was under a six-year contract" doesn't mean that he couldn't have walked if he decided playing Captain Picard wasn't worth what Paramount was willing to pay him. Right. If worse came to worse, he would have had his agent send a letter to Paramount saying, "Due to our inability to reach a mutually agreeable resolution to our current disagreement, Mr. Stewart will not be reporting to the television lot on the scheduled start of production on the fourth season of Star Trek: The Next Generation." A lot of TV contracts back then weren't nearly as ironclad as they are nowadays, with a few outliers like the Remington Steele thing that led to Timothy Dalton, not Pierce Brosnan, replacing Roger Moore as James Bond. quote:Does she even really do this after, like, the first third of the season? They softened her up a bit after the first half of the season, when they got a ton of viewer mail saying, "Why is she so mean to the poor Pinocchio robot, he just wants to be a real boy  "
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Aug 9, 2017 18:04
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There've been some neat fan reconstructions of TOS-era version of other classes. Miranda:  Kelvin:  Akira: 
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Aug 9, 2017 18:04
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I always just think of Crusher as Space Mom and due to the age I was and some extremely vague similarities she sort of reminds me of my own mom and I always found it unpleasant when people said they fantasized about her.Lord Hydronium posted:There've been some neat fan reconstructions of TOS-era version of other classes. Those are neat. edit: Thunderchild? WTF
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Aug 9, 2017 18:12
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:The officially licensed Star Fleet Technical Manual depicted other ship classes - it's up to you to decide if those were "real" or not. Some of the diagrams were used as background screen filler art in the TOS movies. So hey, official onscreen evidence, these ships are canon, right?  A complete article on all this: http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/sftm.htm
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Aug 9, 2017 18:27
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Powered Descent posted:Some of the diagrams were used as background screen filler art in the TOS movies. So hey, official onscreen evidence, these ships are canon, right? It will never fail to astound me how much uglier and cheaper III looks despite costing about 25 percent more than Wrath of Khan.
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Aug 9, 2017 18:29
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The Search for Schlock.
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Aug 9, 2017 18:31
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Lord Hydronium posted:There've been some neat fan reconstructions of TOS-era version of other classes. Thank you! I made the mistake of mentioning how I wouldn't mind running a one-shot of the new Star Trek RPG once it comes out and our 7th Sea session ended up turning into an hour long discussion about what era we'd play in, what class of ship we'd be on, and who would be what section of crewmen, right down to someone swearing she wouldn't be the person who just repeats everything the computer says.
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Aug 9, 2017 18:34
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CobiWann posted:someone swearing she wouldn't be the person who just repeats everything the computer says. Trek is more dumb it down and then sometimes dumb it down again for the audience Sector 001 The Terran System Earth
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Aug 9, 2017 18:40
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CobiWann posted:Nerd question - during the original series era (five-year mission), where there are other types of ship classes for Starfleet besides the Constitution-class? The remasters include some kinda neat ones 
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Aug 9, 2017 18:42
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Tunicate posted:The remasters include some kinda neat ones This just reminds me of the default enemy ship from Wonderful 101 
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Aug 9, 2017 18:45
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Aug 9, 2017 19:23
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Aug 9, 2017 19:27
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CharlieWhiskey posted:That's dumb Have you seen this thing called Star Trek?
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Aug 9, 2017 19:27
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"Weyoun, we're under attack by the U.S.S. Thermostat..."
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Aug 9, 2017 19:28
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Oh poo poo the admiral's losing This event finally started Starfleet on the long and painful process of removing its head from its rear end on the whole "we're not a military" thing. The next time the Borg show up in Federation space they arrive in the middle of a major war to find a mobilized Starfleet with lots of brand new "this isn't a warship honest" designs and find it much heavier going. Also instead of trying to attack in waves and withdraw damaged ships like at Wolf 359 Starfleet just dogpiles the Borg and ignores losses. Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Aug 9, 2017 |
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Aug 9, 2017 19:32
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But we already have a TOS Defiant and it's fantastic
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Aug 9, 2017 19:35
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The Vulcan ships from Enterprise were legit good designs.
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Aug 9, 2017 19:41
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 Pictured left: Design of the USS Superfluous
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Aug 9, 2017 20:07
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Big Mean Jerk posted:But we already have a TOS Defiant and it's fantastic I'm the serial port in the art deco jiffypop ship
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Aug 9, 2017 20:08
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I ... I can't even begin to describe how much that misses the point of the Defiant (which is said by Sisko to be underpowered and overgunned strictly as a Borg destroyer). There's no reason 5-year-mission-era Starfleet would build something like that.
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Aug 9, 2017 20:19
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That particular design would make more sense as a fast courier-type ship in the TOS era, like the Archer-class from the novels.
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USS Roomba with wings?
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Cross-Section posted:That particular design would make more sense as a fast courier-type ship in the TOS era, like the Archer-class from the novels. I'm diving really hard into turbonerd territory here, but I disagree. To my mind, there's an implied reasoning behind (most) TOS ships sticking their warp engines way the hell out on nacelle pylons; whether it's for safety reasons or performance reasons is anyone's guess. I can accept ships that deviate from the form factor established by the show, but when the show took pains to say "this is the very best ship in our inventory", then - again, to my mind, not that this is So, for example, in my opinion a ship like Defiant should have been with the mentality of "we're accepting reduced warp drive performance, in exchange for a narrower aspect profile and less surface area for the shields to cover," while I would expect a fast courier to perhaps be proportionally even ganglier than the Enterprise as it's just a big-rear end warp drive and barely enough hull to accommodate a small crew and some cargo.
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