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I hope this leads to more retro scifi/kaiju crossovers like V vs Godzilla
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Tars Tarkas posted:I hope this leads to more retro scifi/kaiju crossovers like V vs Godzilla I know you meant the alien V, but all I'm picturing is Hugo Weaving in that loving mask, punching Godzilla in the foot.
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Aug 9, 2017 21:17
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Keep your politics out of my movies! Oh, wait a minute...quote:Though they might be the most reviled figures among Hollywood's liberal crowd, the Koch brothers have been a silent investor in Warner Bros.' slate of movies for four years. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/conservative-koch-brothers-are-secret-investors-wonder-woman-1027376 Leavemywife posted:I know you meant the alien V, but all I'm picturing is Hugo Weaving in that loving mask, punching Godzilla in the foot. Minya finds a letter written by Mothra while trapped in V's prison
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Aug 9, 2017 22:29
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rich people like to get richer
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In a very ironic development, Katie Holmes is going to star in the adaptation of The Secret. http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/878043-katie-holmes-to-star-in-movie-version-of-the-secret
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The MSJ posted:In a very ironic development, Katie Holmes is going to star in the adaptation of The Secret. Relevant: https://youtu.be/kvl8m0il2Oc
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The MSJ posted:In a very ironic development, Katie Holmes is going to star in the adaptation of The Secret. The Wu Tang Clan is going to be pissed if Katie Holmes spills the beans.
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Aug 10, 2017 08:47
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Iron Crowned posted:You do realize that there is a not insignificant number of "conservatives" that view the Rebellion as the bad guys in Star Wars, right? I stand by my opinion that the Empire are the good guys in the original Star Wars and each subsequent movie is a convoluted, sometimes nonsensical, attempt to explain that they are really the bad guys. The fact remains the protagonists in the first movie are a literal slave owner, a monarchist, a smuggler with extensive ties to organized crime, and a member of an old militarized religious sect whose purpose was to keep those other groups in power.
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Simplex posted:I stand by my opinion that the Empire are the good guys in the original Star Wars and each subsequent movie is a convoluted, sometimes nonsensical, attempt to explain that they are really the bad guys. The fact remains the protagonists in the first movie are a literal slave owner, a monarchist, a smuggler with extensive ties to organized crime, and a member of an old militarized religious sect whose purpose was to keep those other groups in power. Truly the good guys are the people who literally murder an entire planet to test their laser gun and slaughter people while trying to frame the murders on others. This is not at all the argument of a sociopath. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 20:31 on Aug 10, 2017 |
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Aug 10, 2017 20:29
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ImpAtom posted:Truly the good guys are the people who literally murder an entire planet to test their laser gun and slaughter people while trying to frame the murders on others. This is not at all the argument of a sociopath. It's OK, the Death Star had people on it too. Their deaths cancel out that other thing so the Empire's good guy status remains unchanged. All Hail Ming!
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Aug 10, 2017 20:44
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Simplex posted:I stand by my opinion that the Empire are the good guys in the original Star Wars and each subsequent movie is a convoluted, sometimes nonsensical, attempt to explain that they are really the bad guys. The fact remains the protagonists in the first movie are a literal slave owner, a monarchist, a smuggler with extensive ties to organized crime, and a member of an old militarized religious sect whose purpose was to keep those other groups in power. I'm a little hazy on the literal slave owner. Is that Luke? Because of the droids?
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Simplex posted:I stand by my opinion that the Empire are the good guys in the original Star Wars and each subsequent movie is a convoluted, sometimes nonsensical, attempt to explain that they are really the bad guys. The fact remains the protagonists in the first movie are a literal slave owner, a monarchist, a smuggler with extensive ties to organized crime, and a member of an old militarized religious sect whose purpose was to keep those other groups in power. This implies that no one in the Empire owns a droid, has ties to organized crime, supports the literal monarch Emperor or serves the purpose of perpetuating his power. Even if you can only remember Vader and no one else, he checks all those boxes and that doesn't even consider that he killed a ton of children by hand to install the dictator in the first place.
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ALFbrot posted:I'm a little hazy on the literal slave owner. Is that Luke? Because of the droids? Yes.
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Aug 10, 2017 20:53
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ImpAtom posted:Truly the good guys are the people who literally murder an entire planet to test their laser gun and slaughter people while trying to frame the murders on others. This is not at all the argument of a sociopath. Star Wars is heavily influenced by the works of people such as Kurosawa, to the point that it could easily take place in late-19th Century Japan rather than a long time ago, in a distant galaxy. Jedi = samurai, Leia is the daughter of a local daimyo, and the rebellion is a reactionary revolution against industrialization, modernization and the egalitarianism those bring, in favor of a return to a feudal state. Electromax posted:This implies that no one in the Empire owns a droid, has ties to organized crime, supports the literal monarch Emperor or serves the purpose of perpetuating his power. Even if you can only remember Vader and no one else, he checks all those boxes and that doesn't even consider that he killed a ton of children by hand to install the dictator in the first place. Vader is pretty clearly a type of classical tragic hero type of character. He's fighting for a future that he himself has no place in. He's Arnold at the end of Terminator 2. He's Moses. Simplex fucked around with this message at 21:08 on Aug 10, 2017 |
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Aug 10, 2017 21:00
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Yes, truly the Galactic Empire is a force for equality and freedom.
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Simplex posted:Star Wars is heavily influenced by the works of people such as Kurosawa, to the point that it could easily take place in late-19th Century Japan rather than a long time ago, in a distant galaxy. Jedi = samurai, Leia is the daughter of a local daimyo, and the rebellion is a reactionary revolution against industrialization, modernization and the egalitarianism those bring, in favor of a return to a feudal state. Influenced doesn't actually mean identical and none of that is actually relevant to the argument you made, especially when as pointed out the Empire is guilty of every single crime you mentioned twofold and worse besides.
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Simplex posted:Star Wars is heavily influenced by the works of people such as Kurosawa, to the point that it could easily take place in late-19th Century Japan rather than a long time ago, in a distant galaxy. Jedi = samurai, Leia is the daughter of a local daimyo, and the rebellion is a reactionary revolution against industrialization, modernization and the egalitarianism those bring, in favor of a return to a feudal state. And then the Empire blew up a planet.
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Aug 10, 2017 21:17
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ImpAtom posted:Influenced doesn't actually mean identical and none of that is actually relevant to the argument you made, especially when as pointed out the Empire is guilty of every single crime you mentioned twofold and worse besides. I was trying to avoid the black hole of an argument about "acceptable" practices in waging war, and instead pointing out the historical context for the setting. And I'm curious about an example from Episode IV where the empire practices slavery.
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Aug 10, 2017 21:20
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Simplex posted:And I'm curious about an example from Episode IV where the empire practices slavery. Do you think they pay the syringe droid minimum wage
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fatherboxx posted:Do you think they pay the syringe droid minimum wage Or the MSE droids.
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Grendels Dad posted:And then the Empire blew up a planet. fatherboxx posted:Do you think they pay the syringe droid minimum wage I know we don't see them buy droids from slavers and then immediately equip them with restraining bolts to prevent them from running away.
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Aug 10, 2017 21:27
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My understanding is that professional interrogators generally get nice perks and are carefully selected because of how badly they can gently caress you over if they're actually working for the other side.
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Aug 10, 2017 21:30
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I think the only "the heroes are really the bad guys" movie I think that had weight was The Matrix because their behavior from the perspective of people in the system is straight terrorism and they've got standing kill orders for any civilian still in the system. A death cult that worships a Messiah, blows up buildings, kills cops, security guards, and fights grandmas.
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Aug 10, 2017 21:57
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Simplex posted:And Sherman burned down Atlanta, and we dropped an atomic bomb or Hiroshima. Yes. And the empire blew up a planet. Hmmmm  Also: monster mash elected himself as the eternal leader and ended an galactic democratic goverment and he's the good guy??? Yeah ok. Eastbound Spider fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Aug 10, 2017 |
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Aug 10, 2017 22:36
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Tarkin did nothing wrong.
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Aug 10, 2017 22:40
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Let him who never blew up a planet full of innocent people to scare the rest of the galaxy into submission cast the first stone.
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Simplex posted:Star Wars is heavily influenced by the works of people such as Kurosawa, to the point that it could easily take place in late-19th Century Japan rather than a long time ago, in a distant galaxy. Is there any record of Lucas discussing or showing familiarity with the Shaw Bros. films? There's some similarity between the galactic landscape of the Star Wars films (both OT and PT) and the "martial world" many of the Shaw films inhabit, especially the handful that do feature an evil empire.
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Aug 10, 2017 22:55
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Eastbound Spider posted:Yes. And the empire blew up a planet. A senate consisting of princesses and other nobility is hardly democratic.
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Simplex posted:A senate consisting of princesses and other nobility is hardly democratic. An autocratic system with a dictator for life who answers to no one is substantially less so.
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Aug 10, 2017 23:04
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The Empire is America.
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Simplex posted:A senate consisting of princesses and other nobility is hardly democratic. It's a galaxy where queens are democratically elected and have term limits.
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GrandpaPants posted:The Empire is America. This but unironically. Lucas was a highly political filmmaker who saw his laser space adventures as staunchly anti-Vietnam. The Death Star blowing up Alderaan is the US dropping the bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The first two films are the call for political rebellion under a staunchly pro-war, Republican establishment America. e: The prequels are garbage films but interesting political works, and they make this all the more explicit. The Jedi are the ineffective Democrats standing by, foolishly and helplessly allowing us to slip into authoritarian war alongside the evil warmongering Republicans despite it being against their stated ideals. He's not a subtle man in either trilogy. feedmyleg fucked around with this message at 23:31 on Aug 10, 2017 |
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Simplex posted:I was trying to avoid the black hole of an argument about "acceptable" practices in waging war, and instead pointing out the historical context for the setting. And I'm curious about an example from Episode IV where the empire practices slavery. Not so much slavery but that one guy refers to Chewi as a thing. Granted, it's just that one guy, he could be a bad apple. A bad apple on a Death Star. Which blew up a planet. And the capital of another planet. And a beach resort.
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feedmyleg posted:This but unironically. I wasn't being ironic, but it was based on one of those setside stories that I'm not sure if it was verified anywhere else or one of those internet equivalent of playground rumors. If I recall, the Emperor's throne room was shaped like an oval on purpose.
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Phylodox posted:It's a galaxy where queens are democratically elected and have term limits. For one, that's not in Star Wars. Two, if you really wanted to get across the point that it was a democratic system she probably should have been called, I don't know, Senator Leia. Probably shouldn't refer to her as your highness either.
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Simplex posted:For one, that's not in Star Wars. Two, if you really wanted to get across the point that it was a democratic system she probably should have been called, I don't know, Senator Leia. Probably shouldn't refer to her as your highness either. It is in Star Wars. Leia's mother was a democratically elected queen who served a finite term. That, alone, should show you how George Lucas approaches the idea of monarchy in these movies. Titles are effectively flavour text to give everything a fantasy veneer. "Princess" Leia is a senator. "Queen" Amidala is a president. "Count" Dooku is a revolutionary.
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She's a princess of Alderaan and a galactic senator.
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Stop arguing with the contrarian dipshit.
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Alec Eiffel posted:Stop arguing about Star Wars. Please. I've got 4892 posts to go in that thread to catch up, I wouldn't want anything spoiled.
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