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just work really hard and get an office
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dragon enthusiast posted:which urthecast
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Aug 10, 2017 05:40
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qhat posted:urthecast urethracast
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Aug 10, 2017 05:41
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i work in an open office it's fine  i don't wear headphones either 
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Aug 10, 2017 05:52
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JewKiller 3000 posted:i work in an open office im sure it's totally fine if you haven't had the marvelous experience of a person sneaking up behind you in a school hallway and wrapping their hands around your throat or hitting you with a brick. i have a lot of baggage that is hecka not usual in this biz and I recognize that things that don't work for me are fine for lots of other people.
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Aug 10, 2017 06:08
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well if you have a legitimate grievance like that, then the company should accommodate you. i'm just reacting to the common refrain from developers that the #1 way to make them happy would be a private office. for the amount of money that would cost, there are lots of things i'd rather the company spend it on (for example, add it to my bonus)
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Aug 10, 2017 06:24
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cubes are fine as long as they aren't tiny and have sufficiently high walls
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Aug 10, 2017 06:28
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Open offices are just garbo on their own merits or lack thereof amirite
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Aug 10, 2017 06:53
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qhat posted:Requiring references is so dumb. A lot of companies don't give them beyond confirming simply that you worked there, and it's not like someone's going to give you a reference that slates them, so what's the point? it probably depends on the reference's relationship to you. like yeah if you can only scare up a co-worker and an acquaintance then what's the point, but having multiple previous managers say "yeah i worked with farmer crack-rear end at his last job, he owned the hell out of a fone upgrade project and also he knows basic manners and courtesy unlike a lot of other computer janitors" was probably points in my favor with my current boss. edit: also being able to demonstrate by the answer that the reference actually knew/knows you and is willing and able to articulate more of a response than just "he's a cool dude, i guess. he didn't hit anybody that i saw." Farmer Crack-Ass fucked around with this message at 07:32 on Aug 10, 2017 |
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Aug 10, 2017 07:28
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:it probably depends on the reference's relationship to you. like yeah if you can only scare up a co-worker and an acquaintance then what's the point, but having multiple previous managers say "yeah i worked with farmer crack-rear end at his last job, he owned the hell out of a fone upgrade project and also he knows basic manners and courtesy unlike a lot of other computer janitors" was probably points in my favor with my current boss. the problem is that lack of references doesn't mean the candidate is bad or good, given that for many companies it's policy for their employees not to provide references. there's no reason to believe that that candidate is worse than another who can provide a reference, because at the end of the day they could've just lucked out with their company. and again, they can still probably just cherry-pick a manager or coworker. it's an antiquated practice that tells you very little about a person, hence why some companies ask for them as the literal last thing when you're pretty much confirmed for the job, so why bother asking at all. qhat fucked around with this message at 07:45 on Aug 10, 2017 |
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Aug 10, 2017 07:42
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qhat posted:the problem is that lack of references doesn't mean the candidate is bad or good, given that for many companies it's policy for their employees not to provide references. there's no reason to believe that that candidate is worse than another who can provide a reference, because at the end of the day they could've just lucked out with their company. a company that actually forbids its employees to vouch for their reports and/or co-workers sounds like a poo poo place to me
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Aug 10, 2017 07:46
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:a company that actually forbids its employees to vouch for their reports and/or co-workers sounds like a poo poo place to me companies don't want to open themselves to even the tiniest risk of litigation just because some other unrelated company is incapable of judging a candidate's ability by themselves
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Aug 10, 2017 07:49
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[quote="“LordSaturn”" post="“475214444”"] try passing them a null pointer [/quote] I don’t want to crash the hiring manager I’ll never get employed then I guess I can scrounge up some people who still think I’m a genius
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Aug 10, 2017 08:28
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So an interesting few weeks: My longest friend and 1099 that has been helping me on the project at the job I want to leave had his life turned upside down. 3 weeks ago his dad who lives alone in San Jose (friend lives in Boise) had a stroke on Saturday night and wasn't found until Tuesday afternoon. He immediately calls me, saying he's on his way to San Jose with his wife and kids and I tell upper management the next day once he has had a chance to get settled. Upper management freaks out because his bus factor is insanely high, and this effectively kills the project dead in its tracks. The entire time they are freaking out I internally don't give a gently caress because I am trying to leave anyway. They call up my friend and ask the usual questions; How are you doing? How is your dad? Is there anything you need from us? Is there anything we can do? Do you think you will be able to work on the project still? My friend asks for 2.5 weeks because that's when his dad is discharged. Management says that's fine. For the next 2.5 weeks, I do jack poo poo. I work on personal projects, come in at 10, leave at 1. Go bowling during lunch, or just straight up "work" from home. My friend's dad recovers quickly. Amazingly quickly. After 3 weeks in the hospital, he has more than 25% of his right side back. He can stand on his own, he can partially move his right leg, he can move his hand and write, his speech is way better, and he can fully smile again. He is discharged from the hospital. This is where things fall apart: Kaiser Permanente only wanted therapy for my friend's dad twice a week which is woefully terrible and not enough. The hospital dragged its feet for almost a week getting his a social worker, and my friend didn't anticipate that he would have to take care of his dad for 15~ hours a day. So in between fighting for a full-time care facility/more therapy; he had to bow out for the next 3 months from doing any work. I had a video chat with him last Sunday and my best friend looked like he had aged 10 years overnight.  I tell upper management about this and they did something completely unexpected. They called him up, wished him well, and told him they will delay the project 6 months until he can get his life back in order. Shocked; my friend (and I) asked why they weren't going to just find a new 1099. They responded that there wasn't any reason to. He was there at the beginning, his code is good, he's always been responsive to emails, calls, and Slack. Even if he's just 1099, there was no reason to treat him as disposable. So now I have 6 months to chill and basically get paid to bowl in the middle of the day and WFH. Even with the broken promise of my raise, what they did for my friend seriously makes me question bailing on them or not. Also, the prospect of being able to do what I want until February is very VERY enticing. *Edit* TLDR: Friend's (who is 1099) dad had a stroke and had to stop all work to take care of him. Company chill about it and delayed the project 6 months for him, now I either continue to try and  or I get to chill for 6~ months.
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Aug 10, 2017 11:50
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qhat posted:the problem is that lack of references doesn't mean the candidate is bad or good, given that for many companies it's policy for their employees not to provide references. Or, more usually, their policy is that individual managers/coworkers won't provide them but will refer the person asking to HR who will provide just 'yes this guy worked for us from date x to date y as <job title z>'. In which case at least the company asking knows what's what.
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Aug 10, 2017 12:28
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ratbert90 posted:So now I have 6 months to chill and basically get paid to bowl in the middle of the day and WFH. Even with the broken promise of my raise, what they did for my friend seriously makes me question bailing on them or not. Also, the prospect of being able to do what I want until February is very VERY enticing. the company being nice to your coworker doesn't mean they were nice to you.
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Aug 10, 2017 14:49
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ultravoices posted:the company being nice to your coworker doesn't mean they were nice to you.  quit after 6 months
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Aug 10, 2017 14:56
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mishaq posted:
Thats what I am thinking.
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Aug 10, 2017 14:57
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ratbert90 posted:TLDR: Friend's (who is 1099) dad had a stroke and had to stop all work to take care of him. Company chill about it and delayed the project 6 months for him, now I either continue to try and why not both? tell the new guys you start in february, take a de facto 6-month paid vacation until then.
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Aug 10, 2017 15:00
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goddamn it's good to be job hunting when you're happy to stay at your current position if you don't find anything. completely different experience.
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Aug 10, 2017 15:06
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just found out through office gossip that my office mate is about to is it weird to say congrats if they haven't told you?
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Aug 10, 2017 15:07
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gonadic io posted:goddamn it's good to be job hunting when you're happy to stay at your current position if you don't find anything. completely different experience. 
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Aug 10, 2017 15:07
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lol if you don't have a vast network of coworkers who are 100% onboard with going, 'oh yeah he's fuckin great to work with and tbh i'm surprised it took him this long to finally quit this place'
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Aug 10, 2017 15:20
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gonadic io posted:goddamn it's good to be job hunting when you're happy to stay at your current position if you don't find anything. completely different experience.
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cis autodrag posted:im sure it's totally fine if you haven't had the marvelous experience of a person sneaking up behind you in a school hallway and wrapping their hands around your throat or hitting you with a brick. i have a lot of baggage that is hecka not usual in this biz and I recognize that things that don't work for me are fine for lots of other people. 
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Aug 10, 2017 16:06
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Rex-Goliath posted:i feel like these are 90% the interviewer being genuinely clueless and 10% deliberately hostile so only the people they want to get through are approved / they don't want anyone to actually make it through i always assume thats whats going on when an interviewer is utterly disengaged or seems to actively dilsike me for making him waste his time by beingn there
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Aug 10, 2017 16:11
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FMguru posted:
yeah im sure its bc they are interviewing you for a fake job, seems like the most likely explanation to me too
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Dislike button posted:yeah im sure its bc they are interviewing you for a fake job, seems like the most likely explanation to me too I always assumed that extremely disengaged interviewers were actually disengaged and it was a sign the environment is terrible anyway.
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Aug 10, 2017 16:22
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My drive by manager wanted me to come in at 7 instead of 5. gently caress no, I like "working" a straight 8 and leaving at 1. She got really mad when I told her that if she wants me to come in at 7 I will "work" only 40 hours a week from then on out. How dare you not work overtime for free! Ahhh, there's the incompetence I was yearning for. 
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Aug 10, 2017 16:25
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Dislike button posted:yeah im sure its bc they are interviewing you for a fake job, seems like the most likely explanation to me too it's why i qualified it with the 90/10 split
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Aug 10, 2017 17:13
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Luigi Thirty posted:I guess I can scrounge up some people who still think I’m a genius you got a whole forumful right here
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Aug 10, 2017 17:49
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FMguru posted:go to an auto parts store, get a couple of those stick on round blind spot car mirrors, and put them on the edges of your monitor
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Aug 10, 2017 18:10
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JawnV6 posted:it was before my time but intel bought a bunch of these for folks to stick on monitor corners when they were "compressing" cubes from 3x2 to 2x2, with a little branded message on them yeah in the first bubble, we got branded ones from our corporate overlords. they were super handy because i was spending 80% of my work hours ssh'd into my home machine posting to newsgroups.
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Aug 10, 2017 18:42
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FMguru posted:go to an auto parts store, get a couple of those stick on round blind spot car mirrors, and put them on the edges of your monitor I can never remember which corner on the mirror these are supposed to go. Bottom car-side right?
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Aug 10, 2017 23:18
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ratbert90 posted:My drive by manager wanted me to come in at 7 instead of 5. You routinely come in at 5am, work 8 hours and leave at 1pm, so 40 hours a week, but if they make you come in at 7am you will only work 40 hours a week?
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Aug 10, 2017 23:54
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gonadic io posted:goddamn it's good to be job hunting when you're happy to stay at your current position if you don't find anything. completely different experience. yeah it owns. i mean i still want out of here but i'm paid real money and expectations are low and i like my coworkers.
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Aug 11, 2017 00:05
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Schadenboner posted:I can never remember which corner on the mirror these are supposed to go. Bottom car-side right? the best method i've heard of determining where to put them is to basically study where you look in the mirror when you use them and then place the mirror where you look the least
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:yeah it owns. didnt you just start there a couple months ago
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fritz posted:didnt you just start there a couple months ago yeah i made a terrible mistake
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:yeah i made a terrible mistake scala.txt
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