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Arglebargle III posted:What the hell were they thinking with that 3/4 saucer with the front quarter missing. All of the early designers were Xtreme. Thankfully they're gone. Now the new ones just rip off Mass Effect half the time, which works much better for Trek. (I really do love STO's newer Earth Spacedock map, it's very Trekish if Trek had the budget to build ten-story high atriums)
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Jeb! Repetition posted:I don't remember him saying Lore was broken. He used the word "unstable", but toh-may-to, toh-mah-to. e: I really would've loved to see the scene where Picard/staff talk to Data about maybe preventing him from turning into a Terminator in the forseeable future. Like, just in case. MisterBibs fucked around with this message at 03:43 on Aug 11, 2017 |
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MikeJF posted:Yeah, like this is the 6-year-old version of the Patrol Escort Refit: that first one looks like a classic bad guy ship how the hell could anyone think the federation should or would go in that design direction
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Arglebargle III posted:What the hell were they thinking with that 3/4 saucer with the front quarter missing. 
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Aug 11, 2017 03:54
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Holy poo poo why is he able to talk with Picard's voice He doesn't do it very often but he's been able to all along. All the way back in Encounter at Farpoint, he "played back" a few statements by Picard and Q in their own voices.
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Aug 11, 2017 03:57
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Jeb! you are in for a good run, season 4 and 5 are the high point of the show.
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Jeb! Repetition posted:holy poo poo that last line Beverly "Bedside Manner" Crusher does it again.  (to family member of someone who just died of cancer): You know the great thing about cancer is that it's treatable!
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That looks super fly and I like it.MikeJF posted:And then 2 years ago they pulled that and replaced it with this version: BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 04:06 on Aug 11, 2017 |
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Aug 11, 2017 04:04
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Arglebargle III posted:Jeb! you are in for a good run, season 4 and 5 are the high point of the show. I assume it follows the standard evolutionary trajectory of TV shows.
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Jeb! Repetition posted:I assume it follows the standard evolutionary trajectory of TV shows. Allllmost exactly. (E: In aggregate anyway, the specifics don't match.) Orv fucked around with this message at 04:16 on Aug 11, 2017 |
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Aug 11, 2017 04:09
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Jeb! Repetition posted:I assume it follows the standard evolutionary trajectory of TV shows. I think DS9 beats the odds. Season 7 has some clunky stuff (due to some people leaving and some writers getting indulgent) but is carried through by a clear plot arc and end goal of the series. The first six and last six episodes of DS9 Season 7 are serials and the narrative demands of those arcs provide impetus for the whole season. People call DS9 the best Trek show for a reason. It's certainly better than TNG season 7. Plus DS9 just has the stronger cast. Colm Meaney, Nana Visitor, Avery Brooks, Andrew Robinson, Renee Auberjonois, and Armin Shimmerman can all carry an episode without breaking a sweat. They may not have Patrick Stewart but the talent is more evenly spread around. And a couple other DS9 actors like Michael Dorn, Siddig El-Fadil and J.G. Hertzler can carry episodes pretty well as long as they have decent material to work with. Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 04:28 on Aug 11, 2017 |
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Aug 11, 2017 04:25
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Even TNG season 7 is only bad by the standards set by earlier seasons. Outside of Scottish sex ghosts, the episodes tend to be forgettable rather than truly bad
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I think TOS experienced the opposite of that trajectory. It started off with a very strong first season that had only a handful of clunkers (The Alternative Factor, Miri). It didn't really start getting consistently bad until the third season (or, depending on your perspective, late season two). There were mostly bad or poorly written episodes in that season with a smattering of really good ones (The Enterprise Incident, All Our Yesterdays).
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Baronjutter posted:This one is odd because it's the only time I've ever seen turret like weapons in trek rather than just an "emitter" of some sort. These look like straight up WWII battleship turrets. By the way, I was just thinking about all the kitbashes they did for the Wolf 359 graveyard, and I wonder the Nebula class was the only one that got upgraded into a proper model and show up regularly in the show. Sure, most of those models were built with cannibalized model kits and markers, but I think things like the New Orleans class had the potential to look good with a little reworking.
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Baronjutter posted:This one is odd because it's the only time I've ever seen turret like weapons in trek rather than just an "emitter" of some sort. These look like straight up WWII battleship turrets. The Bozeman (from Cause and Effect, if you don't recall) got the turrets because when Image G unpacked the Reliant shooting model for TNG Unnatural Selection, they found out the torpedo tube rollbar had a short circuit in it, and as they didn't have time to fully diagnose it, they just pulled the whole rollbar off. The turret modifications were a concession to wanting something different, after early ideas to make the Bozeman an old Constitution-class were aborted for budget restraints. (And I'm honestly inclined to think that Image G just straight-up said they weren't going to work with the -refit model, seeing as they struggled to manage the six-foot Enterprise-D model and the E-refit was two feet longer than that.) EDIT: It's good to remember that while we're all a bit weary after years of kitbashes and terrible video game designs, even just getting a ship variant on the screen was still a big deal back when the entire official Starfleet inventory consisted of about seven starships, over half of which came from the Kirk era. Farmer Crack-Ass fucked around with this message at 04:55 on Aug 11, 2017 |
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Marshal Radisic posted:By the way, I was just thinking about all the kitbashes they did for the Wolf 359 graveyard, and I wonder the Nebula class was the only one that got upgraded into a proper model and show up regularly in the show. Sure, most of those models were built with cannibalized model kits and markers, but I think things like the New Orleans class had the potential to look good with a little reworking. The Nebula was chosen because they could reuse the tooling and moulds used to make the Galaxy for much of it when building a hero-quality model. I was always said they didn't have time to do the original plan of a Miranda/Nebula shaped variant of the Ambassador for the Pegasus. Farmer Crack-rear end posted:(And I'm honestly inclined to think that Image G just straight-up said they weren't going to work with the -refit model, seeing as they struggled to manage the six-foot Enterprise-D model and the E-refit was two feet longer than that.) Surprised they didn't have all the Connie shots they needed already from stock. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 04:57 on Aug 11, 2017 |
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It's definitely a smaller ship when it's first seen in The Wounded. I think it was really a mistake to make the Nebula just a rearrangement of the Galaxy parts. It's like, okay, what's the actual difference between a Nebula and a Galaxy and why are you not just building all of one type? The hilarious thing is, we can't even say "oh well Starfleet abandoned the saucer sep idea so they just omitted the neck and compacted the ship and made it better" because if that was the case we should have seen a shitload more Nebulae  in the DS9 fleet actions instead of Galaxies. Instead there's an almost absurd number of Galaxies in the fleet actions and the Nebula seems relegated to bringing wild parties to DS9 and getting punked while carrying Sisko and Dukat.
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Man, according to Memory Alpha, the Nebula physical model was last with Alec Peters.
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Binary Badger posted:The Orville: American Trek This is not the first Trek comic cover I've seen in recent years where it looks like they traced (or even just copy/pasted/photoshopped) stock images. Ridiculous perspective and content issues aside, I think it's incredibly lazy and lovely, and it's really unfortunate people would pay money for it.
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MikeJF posted:Surprised they didn't have all the Connie shots they needed already from stock. Ehhhh I'm not sure stock footage would have really been up to the task without looking really dodgy (especially with Cause and Effect), plus it's also possible that by this point there was a Paramount edict that the -refit model was for movies only. But I do really think that if Image G had problems wrangling the six-foot -D that they would have seriously balked at working with a model that even ILM couldn't stand to shoot.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:It's definitely a smaller ship when it's first seen in The Wounded. I think it was really a mistake to make the Nebula just a rearrangement of the Galaxy parts. It's like, okay, what's the actual difference between a Nebula and a Galaxy and why are you not just building all of one type? Uhhh, it's the warp uh, dynamics. Look don't poo poo talk USS Party Ship.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:It's definitely a smaller ship when it's first seen in The Wounded. I think it was really a mistake to make the Nebula just a rearrangement of the Galaxy parts. It's like, okay, what's the actual difference between a Nebula and a Galaxy and why are you not just building all of one type? The original intention was to alter the model to appear smaller, but it was too difficult and would've taken new moulds and defeated the point of reuse. That said, the engineering section is a fair bit smaller. The Nebula is overall about 75% the volume of the Galaxy. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 05:15 on Aug 11, 2017 |
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And adding to the confusing, it's definitely a smaller ship again in the DS9 intro  
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That's the, uh, Planetary Nebula class. Totally different. Smaller. Also, the scaling on DS9 was always hosed. The Galaxy should've been much larger relative to the station.
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McSpanky posted:And adding to the confusing, it's definitely a smaller ship again in the DS9 intro Here, have a high-def version of that (sans-Bajor): 
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Jeb! Repetition posted:I assume it follows the standard evolutionary trajectory of TV shows. 
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Modern TV IV means all shows suck by the time they reach season 3. No show made after 2012 has more than two good seasons is what I've learned here.
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Marshal Radisic posted:Yeah, the Bozeman was kind of a victim of budget and time. Apparently the script just identified it as "an older model of Federation ship," so the crew were tossing around designing a new class or even bringing in a TOS-vintage Constitution, but after they did the math for a model, bridge set, and uniforms, they just decided "screw it, slap some sensor pods on the Reliant model, it'll do." I suppose it was nice they were able to get Captain Fraiser and co. the nice turtlenecks. I really dig the Centaur class as a 24th century Miranda (even though they were still using Mirandas) with Excelsior influences. The Shenzhou has a lot of similar elements and I almost wonder if the Centaur, along with the Akira and NX, wasn't one of the designs they drew from.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I really dig the Centaur class as a 24th century Miranda (even though they were still using Mirandas) with Excelsior influences. The Shenzhou has a lot of similar elements and I almost wonder if the Centaur, along with the Akira and NX, wasn't one of the designs they drew from. I think the Centaur was meant to be a contemporary of the excelsior. Like that there's a Miranda for every design generation; a compact sister to the big explorer. Connie Refit/Miranda, Excelsior/Centaur, Ambassador/Concept Pegasus, Galaxy/Nebula. Sovereign/Luna if you want to go there.
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MikeJF posted:I think the Centaur was meant to be a contemporary of the excelsior. Like that there's a Miranda for every design generation; a compact sister to the big explorer. Connie Refit/Miranda, Excelsior/Centaur, Ambassador/Concept Pegasus, Galaxy/Nebula. Sovereign/Luna if you want to go there. Had to look that one up.  
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bull3964 posted:Modern TV IV means all shows suck by the time they reach season 3. No show made after 2012 has more than two good seasons is what I've learned here. Yeah DS9 had an unusually long, consistently good run with only a few dumb parts. I don't know of any other show that kept it up for that long all the way till the end, and it actually wraps up most of the subplots very well. Maybe Xfiles? I never watched all of that. TNG too of course, but it didn't really have arcs.
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Shibawanko posted:Yeah DS9 had an unusually long, consistently good run with only a few dumb parts. I don't know of any other show that kept it up for that long all the way till the end, and it actually wraps up most of the subplots very well. Maybe Xfiles? I never watched all of that. Nah, X-Files drops off quality wise around about season seven (depending on who you ask). There's still good stuff in the last two seasons but it's not as good as it was.
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Wheat Loaf posted:Nah, X-Files drops off quality wise around about season seven (depending on who you ask). There's still good stuff in the last two seasons but it's not as good as it was. Like the Simpsons, X-Files had a tendency to burn out people working on it, and it would change every time new people took over. This resulted in a lot of plot threads getting dropped, ignored, or mutated, and the look and feel careening wildly across the eras. (Millennium was worse about this, with every season being almost a soft reboot by each showrunner.) Also, influential as it was, it wasn't really serialized. Even under the same writers, the ongoing storyline served whatever purpose the current episode required - silver and broze age comics are probably the closest comparison. This made for some fantastic episodes (and probably kept the 90s execs happy), but ultimately resulted in The Story Arc being unfulfilling as it went on. I do need to go back and watch the last season, though. I started checking out when Deputy Doggettb showed up. After The War fucked around with this message at 11:57 on Aug 11, 2017 |
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Did anyone else just realise that the difference between Data and Lore is reflected in their names? Lore (folklore) being more emotional, Data being cold and scientific?
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Always Sunny In Philadelphia is a notable exception to the rule.
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1000 Brown M and Ms posted:Did anyone else just realise that the difference between Data and Lore is reflected in their names? Lore (folklore) being more emotional, Data being cold and scientific? Nah it's been obvious forever
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1000 Brown M and Ms posted:I guess that makes me an idiot
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