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Relentlessboredomm posted:Reading that Vanity Fair article I just had a fun thought: There's no way Trump's administration properly handles the 2020 census well which usually starts gearing up 1-2 years before the census date. So that's another fun thing to consider. Good news, I have more fun for you! coyo7e posted:Bannon/Conway I was shipping Scaramucci and DeVos because I love the thought of Mooch and Prince fighting and then kissing. I will also accept Jared and SHuckS or Ivanka and either Mnuchin or Fahrenthold.
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PT6A posted:If they made a porno, I think it would have to be considered an instrument of torture. He only does solo.
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Ague Proof posted:He only does solo.  fake edit: well, in reverse I suppose.
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Guys, we don't have much time left to get some sweet Trump gear! https://twitter.com/jimhigdon/status/896028091843215360
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Relentlessboredomm posted:Reading that Vanity Fair article I just had a fun thought: There's no way Trump's administration properly handles the 2020 census well which usually starts gearing up 1-2 years before the census date. So that's another fun thing to consider. Yeah, that's something I called before the inauguration. People were all "it's a constitutional duty!" but the Trump administration has a positive incentive to gently caress it up because a new accurate census can only hurt them
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Rigel posted:Guys, we don't have much time left to get some sweet Trump gear! Is this the hint of impending impeachment or nuclear death orgy?
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Rigel posted:Guys, we don't have much time left to get some sweet Trump gear! Supply-side merch economics, makes sense to me.
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I'm going to ask something, and hopefully it doesn't come off as too crazy. How do you deal with this NK issue? Every time I think about the existential threat of this kind of nuclear exchange (meaning the full one-- the one where NK just gets nuked without the MAD chain reaction is bad, but not an apocalypse on the same level) it constantly fills me with a kind of dread and depression that makes it impossible to really go through the day and act like anything you do even matters in the slightest. I'd think/hope that since I work on a military base I'd be one of the early nuke targets and feel absolutely nothing when I get vaporized, but I worry my wife living 40 miles away and just dying a lovely slow death. All because two little men are trying to prove which one is bigger. I've always been high-strung, and constantly deal with stress from possible things like economic collapse, budget/debt insanity, or just massive layoffs. But this thing is different and feels just massive and unfixable. I did live through the tail end of the Cold War, but the wall fell when I was 9, and the abject fear of nuclear annihilation had been off the table for awhile by the time I grew up. How do people deal with kind of unending despair without becoming non-functional?
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Radish posted:Haha Trump is doing the bad boss thing of telling an underling to do all his work for him. Not only that he thinks that he's Mitch's boss. One of the worst things you can do in a company is to shout orders at someone you have no organizational control over.
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Relentlessboredomm posted:Reading that Vanity Fair article I just had a fun thought: There's no way Trump's administration properly handles the 2020 census well which usually starts gearing up 1-2 years before the census date. So that's another fun thing to consider. Commerce put every possible opening up on USA jobs before January. They did everything they could while they could.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Yeah, that's something I called before the inauguration. People were all "it's a constitutional duty!" but the Trump administration has a positive incentive to gently caress it up because a new accurate census can only hurt them Yeah, I don't think Trump is going to cancel the 2020 census since its flat-out mandatory, but there are lots of ways to gently caress with it to undercount blue areas. I assume this time around they won't try very hard to count the hispanic population in coastal states, but they are going to make sure they find each and every last person living in Texas.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Yeah, that's something I called before the inauguration. People were all "it's a constitutional duty!" but the Trump administration has a positive incentive to gently caress it up because a new accurate census can only hurt them Well that'll be a fun shitshow to look forward to during the 2020 campaign. More reasons to get his rear end impeached ASAP.
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Rigel posted:Guys, we don't have much time left to get some sweet Trump gear! I just noticed that stupid Trump/Pence logo is off center and now I can't unsee it.
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Rigel posted:Yeah, I don't think Trump is going to cancel the 2020 census since its flat-out mandatory, but there are lots of ways to gently caress with it to undercount blue areas. I assume this time around they won't try very hard to count the hispanic population in coastal states, but they are going to make sure they find each and every last person living in Texas. texas, a coastal state with a high hispanic population?
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Rigel posted:This is a very good article This got lost on the last page. The fact that people use his line about how he's pro diversity despite pages of his arguments against that is so frustrating. It's the same idiotic "well we can't know for sure he's racist in his heart just because he said an ethnic slur" but in a nerd's middle school level sociologist paper. Part of male/white privilege is a whole system centered around giving these assholes the benefit of the doubt to a farcical degree.
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rkajdi posted:I'm going to ask something, and hopefully it doesn't come off as too crazy. There is no MAD with North Korea, it would be very one sided. The problem with a war with N. Korea is that it'd probably piss off the Chinese and tens of thousands of South Koreans would die.
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boner confessor posted:texas, a coastal state with a high hispanic population? Texas is not considered a coastal state for political purposes. They would be motivated to find everyone, hispanics included, in Texas since all that matters for the census is getting a higher total population count in reliably red states. A hosed up census could conceivably steal a couple house seats and a couple EV for the 2024 and 2028 presidential elections.
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Uh oh https://twitter.com/thehill/status/895998813881737216
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Radish posted:This got lost on the last page. I just read that off Twitter and it's pretty good, agreed. The biggest issue is that he keeps going "I'm talking about populations which doesn't apply to individual" to justify his nonsense. "One of the good ones" doesn't work for women just as much as it doesn't work for black people. Much like every other white bread nerd he doesn't realize that the "neuroticism" he is deriding is a result of having women's faces stepped on by others for all of history. It's super dumb and I hate that he is some sort of weird right wing martyr now.
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Radish posted:This got lost on the last page. The thing I liked about the article is that the author was extremely generous to people defending the memo. She basically said "ok, just for a moment I am going to assume you are not misogynistic assholes. Here is what you are missing"
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Radish posted:This got lost on the last page. Conor Friedersdorf wrote an entire article that was founded on that premise, that he isn't anti-diversity just because he says he isn't. I forget who it was but someone on twitter described it as "such bullshit credulity," which summarized it perfectly.
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Hollismason posted:There is no MAD with North Korea, it would be very one sided. The problem with a war with N. Korea is that it'd probably piss off the Chinese and tens of thousands of South Koreans would die. Isn't the issue that any nuclear exchange could easily get all the other players to attack with nuclear weapons as well? I mean, that's what the gallows humor is about here, so I'd think at least some people see it as possible.
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Rigel posted:Texas is not considered a coastal state for political purposes. by who? i regard it as a coastal state for political purposes
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rkajdi posted:Isn't the issue that any nuclear exchange could easily get all the other players to attack with nuclear weapons as well? I mean, that's what the gallows humor is about here, so I'd think at least some people see it as possible. If we swing first, sure, but if it is supposedly self defense then we would be fine. NK and Trump are two shirtless dudes circling around each other in a parking lot.
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boner confessor posted:by who? i regard it as a coastal state for political purposes Almost everyone? When we're talking politics, "coastal states" refers to the states running from Washington to California, and from Maine to Florida. Gulf coast states west of Florida are geographically and meteorologically coastal, but not politically coastal.
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Rigel posted:Almost everyone? tell me where the real mountains are next would love 2 hear your geography opinions
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Shooting a missile at and then blowing up a passenger jet: not an act of war Shooting a missile at and maybe blowing up the ocean near a US base: an act of war
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that usage of coastal is sort of confusing but makes logical sense: we refer to the east coast, the west coast, and flyover country as three distinct regions of the country and texas is clearly in flyover country even though it technically has a coastline, and vermont is still part of the east coast even though it does not
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Good lord what a time to be alive.
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rkajdi posted:Isn't the issue that any nuclear exchange could easily get all the other players to attack with nuclear weapons as well? I mean, that's what the gallows humor is about here, so I'd think at least some people see it as possible. This is probably true when it's the US attacking Russia or vice versa or either of those two attacking a country that isn't in hideous standing with the international community. But while nuclear war with North Korea would be horrific, I very much doubt that anyone is going to risk apocalypse to go to bat for Kim Jong Un.
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evilweasel posted:that usage of coastal is sort of confusing but makes logical sense: we refer to the east coast, the west coast, and flyover country as three distinct regions of the country and texas is clearly in flyover country even though it technically has a coastline, and vermont is still part of the east coast even though it does not seems like a gap in perception then and a faulty definition considering 7 out of the top 10 busiest ports in america are in the 'non-coastal' gulf coast states houston ships more cargo than the NYC/NJ port complex but i guess it doesn't count, for reasons
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boner confessor posted:tell me where the real mountains are next would love 2 hear your geography opinions Thats a weird non sequitur. When we're looking at an electoral college map and musing about how candidate X will do in the coastal states (usually east coast since west is a given) no one is thinking about loving Texas.
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Rigel posted:When we're looking at an electoral college map and musing about how candidate X will do in the coastal states (usually east coast since west is a given) no one is thinking about loving Texas. i dunno about you but me, generally, i don't try to point at holes in my understanding as a good thing or hold up flaws in my perception of the world as proof that my argument is actually correct
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Why is this a story. They're not saying he's been offered a pardon, just that he would (obviously) accept one
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boner confessor posted:by who? i regard it as a coastal state for political purposes You're the only one who does. It's a "coastal state" in purely geographical terms but in the context of politics, it's not a Coastal State because it's not on the East or West Coast and doesn't have the commonalities they do in terms of how their politics and populaces work. I know "stop being a moron" is asking too much of you, so can you just stop posting instead?
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FlamingLiberal posted:Why is this a story. They're not saying he's been offered a pardon, just that he would (obviously) accept one I believe legally you don't have the right to refuse a pardon, so this is basically him asking for a pardon.
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boner confessor posted:seems like a gap in perception then and a faulty definition considering 7 out of the top 10 busiest ports in america are in the 'non-coastal' gulf coast states its a reference to a group of states that happens to mostly overlap with a geographical feature so it gets tagged by that geographic feature even though it's not ~precisely accurate~ english has lots of terms that don't match their literal meaning and uses many words and phrases to mean multiple things that can be contradictory where the reader or listener is expected to infer the meaning from context and if you're talking politics and refer to coastal states, you probably are not including the gulf coast unless the context of the conversation implies you are (say, you are discussing shipping)
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TheScott2K posted:You're the only one who does. It's a "coastal state" in purely geographical terms but in the context of politics, it's not a Coastal State because it's not on the East or West Coast and doesn't have the commonalities they do in terms of how their politics and populaces work. I know "stop being a moron" is asking too much of you, so can you just stop posting instead? i mean i guess there's some sort of special exceptional property of the waters of the Atlantic which makes states that touch them more liberal north of a certain line a guess or it could be a flawed, arbitrary grouping that goons want to defend to the death for some reason because it's easier than admitting they're wrong
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