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Cainer posted:I really hope Admec get's something pysky or anti-psyker in the codex, or at least a way to ally them in without losing canticles. I'd rather them not get a psyker or anti-Psyker unit. It doesn't fit with their fluff. It's dumb that you lose canticles completely though for taking anything else. It should be like Space Marine Chapter tactics and just not apply to anything that doesn't have the Mechanicum keyword.
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richyp posted:I remember getting some plastic Terminator Librarians in 1990 from the Genestealer Expansion to Space Hulk (my dumb teenage self though it was a standalone game). They were pretty goofy looking, but the bonus was it contained the first genestealer hybrid models and they were amazing. I think I did the same thing with the Advanced Space Crusade box which had the original Tyranid Warriors in it. Yeah I had those plastic Terminators. They were so little. I had one of the metal double LC guys too and he could nail a forward roll thanks to the positioning of his claws.
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Picked up my Chaos Marine book tonight and, sure enough, chaos marines and chosen can't take bolter, bolt pistol, and chainsword anymore. It was like that in the Index, but I was holding out hope it would get fixed in the codex.  I kind of get it, they're trying to maintain only two weapons for infantry models. It's just annoying because chaos marines have been able to do it since 5th(?) edition and all of my models are armed that way. I'm not going to change them, I guess it lets me say either way, but it still sucks. It would have been easy to add another entry in the back for Chainsword (Chaos Space Marines) which costs 1-2 points. The Tyranid Index has a bunch of options which cost different amounts based on the models using them, such as Adrenal Glands, so it's not like it'd be unprecedented.It's not even like this option would be unique. Grey Hunters still get to do it. Space Wolves  Other than that, I'm pretty happy with the book and I've already gone through and written the points into the unit entries. The GW standard layout is loving terrible and I'm going to have to fix it in every goddamn book.
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Safety Factor posted:Picked up my Chaos Marine book tonight and, sure enough, chaos marines and chosen can't take bolter, bolt pistol, and chainsword anymore. It was like that in the Index, but I was holding out hope it would get fixed in the codex. How does noise marine heavy EC look?
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chutche2 posted:How does noise marine heavy EC look? They're 15 points/model (down from 16), sonic blasters add 4 points, and blastmasters are 20 (down from 28). Doom sirens got buffed to d6 shots/hits, but are still 22 points. Icons of Excess are 10.  I don't know what else to tell you.
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Skulls pack is up on the webstore + some vines and other bits. They actually look pretty great.
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chutche2 posted:How does noise marine heavy EC look? Noise marines can't be taken as Troops any more, but they seem like they'll be good
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I was really holding out hope that noise marines and the like could still be taken as troops for their cult legion.  but it's not like I even have the models yet anyways  I'm loving my Emperor's Children army though! Daemonettes are so fun to throw at stuff. They are like little blenders that claw up anything they can get to without dying. Also, Abaddon is a loving monster. I was using a sorcerer terminator to warptime him around my enemies back line, and he just blows through packs of troops like they aren't even there. Which brings up a question I have about his sword. I was just dedicating 1 attack to Drach'nyen, and the other 5 to the claw. This seemed to make the most sense since it's number of attacks is determined by a D6 when he fights with it. Do those attacks count toward his total number, or was what I was doing the best way to get the most out of him in melee? Or was I flat out cheating accidentally?  How do you guys that run him use him in melee?
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Zuul the Cat posted:I'd rather them not get a psyker or anti-Psyker unit. It doesn't fit with their fluff. Could be fluffy if done right, I could easily see Admec building a catapult that launches nulled servo skulls at pyskers or something. Servitors are the answer to all life's problems.
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Kabuki Shipoopi posted:I was really holding out hope that noise marines and the like could still be taken as troops for their cult legion. Yeah I'm sad about losing Noise Marines and Berserkers as troops as well, though I can see why they did it--there's still plenty of room for non-special marines in the World Eaters and Emperor's Children, and you can always go 3x Cultists if you need to go minimum troops. Re: Abaddon, you get +D6 attacks with Drach'nyen no matter how you allocated his base attacks. You could make 6 attacks with the Talon and then you'd still get to make +D6 attacks with Drach'nyen, provided you did not roll a 1 (in fact, if you rolled a 1, all 6 attacks have to be made with the Talon). The extra attacks always have to be made with Drach'nyen, though.
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TheChirurgeon posted:Noise marines can't be taken as Troops any more, but they seem like they'll be good Even for Emperor's Children? That's odd. I thought it was only Night Lords who lost their "troop" choice (raptors)?
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Oh no poo poo. See, I thought using Drach'nyen counted as one of his base. That's even better!  thanks for the heads up. 
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RagnarokAngel posted:Even for Emperor's Children? That's odd. I thought it was only Night Lords who lost their "troop" choice (raptors)? There's no rule for anyone getting cult units as Troops. They did a design interview earlier this week where they said that was intentional. Kabuki Shipoopi posted:Oh no poo poo. See, I thought using Drach'nyen counted as one of his base. That's even better! Yeah, as long as you don't roll a 1, you can allocate as many of his 6 base attacks as you want to Drach'nyen. But the extra attacks you roll for have to be done with Drach'nyen. So you could do up to 12 attacks with the sword if you wanted and rolled high enough. TheChirurgeon fucked around with this message at 15:22 on Aug 12, 2017 |
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Yeast posted:I’ve run a Culexus in a tournament list. Came 4th out of 50. Tell me about your guard list!
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After playing against four berserker squads in rhinos as troops I'm cool with them not being troops
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Zuul the Cat posted:I'd rather them not get a psyker or anti-Psyker unit. It doesn't fit with their fluff. You lose Chapter Tactics too if your detachment isn't pure <CHAPTER>.
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There's also the new FOCs that don't require troops. It sucks that you lose out on CP and ObSec compared to a regular brigade or whatever, but you can still run all-Berzerkers or whatever if you want. They've been moving away from org slot shenanigans for several editions now, and I'm actually pretty glad to see "you don't need troops" rather than "X are troops now" as the status quo. The new org charts, and what they allow for hosed-up gimmick army builds, are like one of my favorite things about 8th edition.
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TheChirurgeon posted:There's no rule for anyone getting cult units as Troops. They did a design interview earlier this week where they said that was intentional. Ah. I see. Well gently caress i just bought a ton of rubrics too.
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ANAmal.net posted:There's also the new FOCs that don't require troops. It sucks that you lose out on CP and ObSec compared to a regular brigade or whatever, but you can still run all-Berzerkers or whatever if you want. They've been moving away from org slot shenanigans for several editions now, and I'm actually pretty glad to see "you don't need troops" rather than "X are troops now" as the status quo. The new org charts, and what they allow for hosed-up gimmick army builds, are like one of my favorite things about 8th edition. Yeah that's a good point. It definitely seems like it's less about "X can't be taken as your core foot soldiers" and more about "X don't get objective secured," which is fine for Berserkers and Noise Marines. RagnarokAngel posted:Ah. I see. Rubrics are still Troops for Thousand Sons, who aren't in the CSM codex and are getting their own book. And they'll be troops in that book, largely to make up for not having most of the other stuff.
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Zuul the Cat posted:It's dumb that you lose canticles completely though for taking anything else. It should be like Space Marine Chapter tactics and just not apply to anything that doesn't have the Mechanicum keyword. But Chapter Tactics don't work if you have any non-Space Marine units in the detachment, so it is like them. 
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TheChirurgeon posted:Rubrics are still Troops for Thousand Sons, who aren't in the CSM codex and are getting their own book. And they'll be troops in that book, largely to make up for not having most of the other stuff. Which, funnily enough, even works fluff-wise. There are ECs and WEs who aren't noise marines/berzerkers, but there are no regular TSons who aren't rubrics.
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Cross post!The Sex Cannon posted:I finished my first unit of Primaris Intercessors! Maybe everyone should go check iTunes or something...
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:Which, funnily enough, even works fluff-wise. There are ECs and WEs who aren't noise marines/berzerkers, but there are no regular TSons who aren't rubrics. Yeah, pretty much. I think we'll also see Plague Marines as DG troops as well, since there should be no DG who aren't infested with Nurgle's rot. The downside is I suspect DG won't get Havocs unless the upcoming multi-part kit comes with the option to do a bunch of heavy weapons for the squad. Related note: The terminator in the Mortarion video is likely not Typhus--he's getting a new model and was supposedly shown partially at the end on the far right. Here's what the current rumors say we're getting with the DG release, and nothing on here is a surprise, so I believe it:
- Typhus - Lord of Contagion - Noxious Blightbringer - Malignant Plaguecaster - Tallyman - Multi-part Plague Marine Kit - Multi Part Terminator Kit - Pox Walker Kit - Blight Drone Kit - Plagueburster Tank Kit - Codex and Cards - Special Edition Codex and Cards set The only thing missing is the new multi-legged slug-beast thing, which may come out later, or just was left off the rumored release list. TheChirurgeon fucked around with this message at 16:10 on Aug 12, 2017 |
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 THE (40k bad)BOYS ARE BACK IN TOWNhttps://40kbadcast.com/2017/08/12/40k-badcast-15-the-return-of-the-boys-to-town/
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SteelMentor posted:
Sorry, that's so bad it actually owns.
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Infil-traitor is amazing
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That is so terrible that you know it was written by someone with a grin on their face, which makes it good.
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"Infil-traitor" is the zenith of 40k. Burn it all down, gentleman, we have peaked.
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"Make's you think" - Thoughtsmith.
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Re: losing canticles/Chapter tactics: oh yeah. Man, I seem to constantly gently caress up what I can and can't do. If I were to just take a Celexus assassin as auxiliary, it shouldn't make me lose canticles, right? Since it's a separate detachment? Also, are you only allowed a single auxiliary force? So I couldn't take both sister of silence and an assassin as auxiliary?
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TheChirurgeon posted:There's no rule for anyone getting cult units as Troops. They did a design interview earlier this week where they said that was intentional. If the TSons don't get an exception when their unique codex comes out this is going to be a hilarious 180 after a hilarious 180. Like make up your goddamned minds GW, are the chaos legions primarily specialists or troops? They can't pick one. I could see other factions going back to normal troops, I'm even cool with that. But they've really pushed the idea that TSons are primarily Rubrics and Sorcerers and nothing else lately. TheChirurgeon posted:Rubrics are still Troops for Thousand Sons, who aren't in the CSM codex and are getting their own book. And they'll be troops in that book, largely to make up for not having most of the other stuff. Yeah they have to be. Gyro Zeppeli posted:Which, funnily enough, even works fluff-wise. There are ECs and WEs who aren't noise marines/berzerkers, but there are no regular TSons who aren't rubrics. Bingo Also all Rubrics are TSons, but to get around this supposedly somehow Abaddon and CO managed to convince Magnus to lend them a few dustbins.
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Corrode posted:Infil-traitor is amazing 
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I am actually really glad about Noise Marines not being troops in Emperor's Children. My army might not be a disgusting min maxed poo poo show that is no fun to play against, but on the other hand my army is not be a disgusting min maxed poo poo show that is no fun to play against. Taking something as powerful as Noise Marines and Khorne Berserkers is still very good and possible, you just don't get tons of extra CP for it. Seems way more fair and reasonable.
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I can see EC but berserkers? Yeah they're strong but do non-berserker world eaters even exist?
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chutche2 posted:I can see EC but berserkers? Yeah they're strong but do non-berserker world eaters even exist? They're all pretty bloodthirsty, but berzerkers are guys who are completely lost to fighting. Like, they do nothing else but kill.
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SteelMentor posted:
That's even better than the Plague Marines using rot-iron weapons.
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Picked up a vindicare today as I absolutely love the model and now have a reason to field one with my scions, but man £19 for the single, non centrepiece/HQ model leaves a bad taste. That's almost a troop box which is like 10x the plastic! Still, looking forwards to blowing up some heads.
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Zuul the Cat posted:Re: losing canticles/Chapter tactics: oh yeah. Man, I seem to constantly gently caress up what I can and can't do. If I were to just take a Celexus assassin as auxiliary, it shouldn't make me lose canticles, right? Since it's a separate detachment? Yup, putting them in a separate detachment means you get to keep testicles of the omnissiah. You can put Sisters and Assassins in the same detachment as they all have the Imperium faction keyword. Could go with like an Inquisitor for the HQ, Assassin and one of the Sister squads as one of the smaller force orgs.
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