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pkay posted:Are you an expert in vigilante justice? Oh no you are just someone that pushes 'narrativist' theories that you came up with from your time in a cult. Sorry, I believe that punching nazis in non-self defense situations is counterproductive. who should we trust more on the subject of political violence: angela davis and malcolm x or you, goon who jacked off with your permit into this thread
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pkay posted:I agree with those tweets totally. But punching nazis who have not first punched you is not self-defense. Like I said, If they are on my lawn with their tiki torches then yes. I personally, don't give a poo poo about their circus. As long as that statue is removed all is well. I saw no where in those tweets where they were talking about shutting down their 'rally'. I did see mentions of self-defense however. *Looks at the years 1933-1945* "Hmmm...maybe we should just wait until the fascist attack us first. It's also a shame about what happened the Jews, socialists, communists, homosexuals, gypsies, and the handicapped in the camps, but the gestapo never personally harmed me!"
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Prester Jane posted:Confronting high-compaction Narrativists when they gather in numbers and being prepared to throw down is really the only option at present. We are long past the point where this could be contained using any other method. Direct confrontation is now the only language a fair number of them speak and if you do not meet their challenge their numbers will swell rapidly. At this point smashing every Nazi rally and doxxing each one of them stupid enough to appear at these things is the only way we as a people have of doing literally anything about this situation. The Federal Government cannot be relied upon to contain things and in fact at the very highest levels is actively encouraging violent extremism from white supremacists The doxxing is great up to a point though. The more the GOP becomes the white supremacy party, the more socially acceptable it's going to be to go to those rallies and the less effect doxxing is going to have.
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pkay posted:Sorry, I believe that punching nazis in non-self defense situations is counterproductive. Your beliefs are irrelevant in the face of cold harsh reality and your moralistic assertions are inherently empty because you cannot back up your arguments with anything more than your emotional attachment to your beliefs. Please go read the responses from various Goons who actually do know what they are talking about. You have no idea what you are talking about and are actively getting in the way of productive conversations that could be otherwise taking place.
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pkay is just concern trolling.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:pkay is just concern trolling. It's useless googling this because apparently there are a lot of definitions. What does it mean here?
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I mean, freedom of speech and all that but if you espouse speech that incited a literal global conflict less than a hundred years ago uhhhhh
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And holy hell if you're like an older politician who didn't immediately come out against the unite the white people because holy hell you or a super close family member or friend were alive when this poo poo originally went down
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KickerOfMice posted:It's useless googling this because apparently there are a lot of definitions. What does it mean here? This thing is important but have you really considered how it's not?
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Which basically sums up my feelings. Notice what she said, she did not speak of punching nazis she spoke of defending your neighborhood from terrorist. Which is what I endorsed. Crazy thing is I can relate with that clip way more than you probably know.
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pkay posted:Which basically sums up my feelings. Notice what she said, she did not speak of punching nazis she spoke of defending your neighborhood from terrorist. Which is what I endorsed. Crazy thing is I can relate with that clip way more than you probably know. Your neighborhood is bigger than where you live.
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RuanGacho posted:This thing is important but have you really considered how it's not? Just trying to momentarily divert the conversation away from someone who is just stirring the coals? Bad timing I get it.
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pkay posted:Which basically sums up my feelings. Notice what she said, she did not speak of punching nazis she spoke of defending your neighborhood from terrorist. Which is what I endorsed. Crazy thing is I can relate with that clip way more than you probably know. Hmmm...yes. Fascism is always a locally contained ideology/issue and has never had an impact on a national or global level. No sir!
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KickerOfMice posted:Just trying to momentarily divert the conversation away from someone who is just stirring the coals? Nah man what he said is an example of concern trolling. It's like playing devil's advocate but 1000x more annoying.
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pkay posted:I agree with those tweets totally. But punching nazis who have not first punched you is not self-defense. Yeah that's what they said in the late 30's too, you gaggling moron.
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Propaganda Hour posted:Nah man what he said is an example of concern trolling. It's like playing devil's advocate but 1000x more annoying. KickerOfMice posted:Just trying to momentarily divert the conversation away from someone who is just stirring the coals? For future reference quote:In an argument (usually a political debate), a concern troll is someone who is on one side of the discussion, but pretends to be a supporter of the other side with "concerns". The idea behind this is that your opponents will take your arguments more seriously if they think you're an ally. Concern trolls who use fake identities are sometimes known as sockpuppets. In this case the concern is "non violence is a moral imperative isn't it??" which is just Nazi comfort enabling because for some reason the subject doesn't see the rest of humanity as his neighbors. i am harry posted:Yeah that's what they said in the late 30's too, you gaggling moron.
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pkay posted:Are you an expert in vigilante justice? Oh no you are just someone that pushes 'narrativist' theories that you came up with from your time in a cult. Sorry, I believe that punching nazis in non-self defense situations is counterproductive. They're successfully infiltrating law-enforcement and politics, threatening to co-opt the state monopoly on violence your passivity relies on.
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Nazis should be beaten to a bloody pulp and have their teeth smashed on concrete. this isn't hard people
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KickerOfMice posted:It's useless googling this because apparently there are a lot of definitions. What does it mean here? Bad posting.
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Propaganda Hour posted:Nah man what he said is an example of concern trolling. It's like playing devil's advocate but 1000x more annoying. OKAY everybody shut up! TheScott2K posted:Bad posting. Yes.
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Calaveron posted:I mean, freedom of speech and all that but if you espouse speech that incited a literal global conflict less than a hundred years ago uhhhhh Unironically ironically typing DEUS VULT on forums every time someone drives a van into a crowd of people is one thing Literally real life doing the nazi salute is another thing. I feel like the deus vult meme was a test run
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Rookersh posted:these aren't conservatives.
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mcmagic posted:The doxxing is great up to a point though. The more the GOP becomes the white supremacy party, the more socially acceptable it's going to be to go to those rallies and the less effect doxxing is going to have. Yes but on the other hand the more openly they associate with white supremacy, the less centrists are going to be swayed by all the typical pre-election bullshit they peddle about how "both sides are really the same, you guys". There's a reason why they still rely on dog whistles to reach their white supremacist base - because that base isn't nearly big enough to win them elections on their own, and they know that the voters that will get them over the line will find their beliefs repugnant if they describe them honestly.
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Literally all the Nazis had to do was not do the overtly Nazi poo poo and they would have been fine. American and Confederate flags only, no "blood and soil", or Hail Victory. Now it's much harder (though they're still doing it) for reasonabe people to claim both sides are bad, and anyone who fights Nazis is going to look good. Trump made the Nazis overconfident. They forgot why they called themselves Alt-Right in the first place.
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Bill Kristol, come quickly, save this thread Bill Krisol to the rescue
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Prester Jane posted:Your beliefs are irrelevant in the face of cold harsh reality and your moralistic assertions are inherently empty because you cannot back up your arguments with anything more than your emotional attachment to your beliefs. Please go read the responses from various Goons who actually do know what they are talking about. You have no idea what you are talking about and are actively getting in the way of productive conversations that could be otherwise taking place. So I have a differing opinion on a topic that isn't even close to settled and I don't know what im talking about. All the 'evidence' that people post are clips and article of people promoting self-defense, which I wholeheartedly agree with. No articles/clips supporting punching nazis not in self-defense being productive.
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I only thought to take a picture towards the end, but here's a picture of a confederate flag protest and a black lives matter counter-protest in front of southern miss in hattiesburg, ms. We managed to stick around long enough that the confederate flag people went home, and we're planning to come back next sunday, hopefully in even larger force. They confederate flag people have been doing this every weekend for around a year, over the university not flying the state flag, originally. Everyone who showed up today was pretty much of the same mind, that we're loving sick of seeing this god drat bullshit loving flag poo poo in front of the university, on the main road through town, every loving sunday. After yesterday, a counter-protest was hastily organized by one of the southern mississippi DSA people and managed to get about 30 people together to hold signs and poo poo in front of the confederate flag people. I live about two blocks away from this spot, so I've seen this protest a lot. There were, to my eyes, around 4 times as many people there in general as usual(though this picture is towards the end, when most of both sides had already left - I was busy screaming at people and wasn't taking pictures), and most of them were there as counterprotesters. This protest takes place on a small plot of land which is, for legal reasons which I do not quite understand yet, not under control of the university but is rather public land so it's the only place they can do this at on this road. It's the best possible place for them to do it, too - if you drive through hattiesburg there is a 90% chance you'll go by this spot at some point in your day, for some reason. So we're going to show up next week early as we can, and just tailgait, basically. It's what they've been doing for the past year, so we're going to...counter-tailgait? It's the most Mississippi thing I can think of. Anyway, I can't loving wait.
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We also have to do a better job educating kids/everyone why Nazis are bad (I know I can't believe it's come to this). It's not just white supremacy is bad -- it's white supremacy is one of the most destructive forces in history and has caused countless tragedies long before Nazis were around and, ya know, black people are people. Also, we have to start fighting this notion that Nazis were efficient in any way. All the "well they got the economy on track" or "trains on time" counterfactual nonsense. There were smart Nazis, but they're inherently dumb when it comes to organizing a society.
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farraday posted:Goon reveal yourself! genuinely surprised that Sebastian Gorka is a chapo fan
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pkay posted:Which basically sums up my feelings. Notice what she said, she did not speak of punching nazis she spoke of defending your neighborhood from terrorist. Which is what I endorsed. Crazy thing is I can relate with that clip way more than you probably know. hm yes angela davis would certainly not endorse the punching of white supremacists and would deffo agree with you, goon jacking off gun
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Accretionist posted:They're successfully infiltrating law-enforcement and politics, threatening to co-opt the state monopoly on violence your passivity relies on. They have always been there. Which if you acknowledge systemic racism isn't a surprise.
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pkay posted:So I have a differing opinion on a topic that isn't even close to settled and I don't know what im talking about. All the 'evidence' that people post are clips and article of people promoting self-defense, which I wholeheartedly agree with. No articles/clips supporting punching nazis not in self-defense being productive. nazis are an existential threat to anybody who's not a white dude
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Didn't someone post the MLK quote about negative peace like, two days ago?
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D.C. rally to White House, live: https://www.facebook.com/washingtonpost/videos/10155633823402293/?hc_ref=ARQFEv1ABE0ajN4Y1BT56Bn_ZiUDgFuc1zy5kZuFnuAQ_AejdEbwjZTACqkVJL7VDdw
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pkay posted:defending your neighborhood from terrorist Like the ones driving into crowds?
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Giggy posted:We also have to do a better job educating kids/everyone why Nazis are bad (I know I can't believe it's come to this). It's not just white supremacy is bad -- it's white supremacy is one of the most destructive forces in history and has caused countless tragedies long before Nazis were around and, ya know, black people are people. This video will never not be relevant: https://archive.org/details/DontBeaS1947
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