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Pentecoastal Elites
Feb 27, 2007

PainterofCrap posted:

Idiot poo poo

Man this is like painfully stupid.

e:

Pentecoastal Elites fucked around with this message at 03:04 on Aug 14, 2017

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PainterofCrap
Oct 17, 2002

hey bebe



Chilichimp posted:

lol, this isn't a witch hunt, rear end in a top hat, they're wearing the loving Swastikas on their sleeve.

So...?

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Free speech, sure.

Armed marches brandishing weapons and attacking innocent counterprotestors, all those things seem like a big NO to me.

I mean, maybe there's some abstract argument that can be made for open carry but on the other hand waving a gun at people is not nonviolent, even if you don't actually fire it.

Agreed.

If memory serves the permit was revoked because of this.

deep web creep posted:

Man this is like painfully stupid.

Care to elucidate?

Annointed
Mar 2, 2013

PainterofCrap posted:

So...?


Agreed.

If memory serves the permit was revoked because of this.

"They're Nazis"
"So what if they're Nazis..."

Ice Phisherman
Apr 12, 2007

Swimming upstream
into the sunset



Chilichimp posted:

lol, this isn't a witch hunt, rear end in a top hat, they're wearing the loving Swastikas on their sleeve.

Not hard to hunt witches when they're on broomsticks and turning people into Pepes.

Punch Nazis.

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Free speech, sure.

Armed marches brandishing weapons and attacking innocent counterprotestors, all those things seem like a big NO to me.

I mean, maybe there's some abstract argument that can be made for open carry but on the other hand waving a gun at people is not nonviolent, even if you don't actually fire it.
If we were right leaning we would be bemoaning the fact that nobodu was carrying and couldve magdumped into that Charger's driverside window.. Otherwise no, i cannot fathom a reason i would bring a weapon to a rally or a protest for anything unless i expected and wanted to engage in lethal combat.

Vintersorg
Mar 3, 2004

President of
the Brendan Fraser
Fan Club



Does America have anti-hate speech laws like us Canadians?

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Party Plane Jones posted:

It'd probably be easy because as the thread continues the dude had displayed his driver's permit (not even a license) on social media.

Once again a midget at 5'4" and 140.

I really hope our Nazis continue to be morons.

The Cheshire Cat
Jun 10, 2008

Fun Shoe

Giggy posted:

I've also noticed among my lefty friends who choose to ignore fascist or hell just classic conservatism -- they don't do it because they're afraid of confrontation. They ignore them because they can't vocalize their own argument. They know they're right but they don't know why they're right and they can't argue with the rightwingers and their pre-planned talking points.

The reason they can't vocalize it is because you don't argue axioms. The idea that all human lives are fundamentally valuable is not something that should have to be PROVEN. If someone needs that explained to them, then they are already so far down the rabbit hole that it doesn't really matter what you say.

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


Vintersorg posted:

Does America have anti-hate speech laws like us Canadians?

If we do, they're tied up in all sorts of red tape.

Annointed
Mar 2, 2013

Vintersorg posted:

Does America have anti-hate speech laws like us Canadians?

Effectively, no.

evilmiera
Dec 14, 2009

Status: Ravenously Rambunctious

stone cold posted:

his anti-niqab op ed in the daily heil was p. questionable but the other reasons they cite are pretty lol

Yeah at best he has made some questionable choices, but should not be on any kind of extremist list. But also never ever read or write the Mail is a good lesson to re-iterate to this thread.

Kerning Chameleon
Apr 8, 2015

by Cyrano4747

coyo7e posted:

If we were right leaning we would be bemoaning the fact that nobodu was carrying and couldve magdumped into that Charger's driverside window.. Otherwise no, i cannot fathom a reason i would bring a weapon to a rally or a protest for anything unless i expected and wanted to engage in lethal combat.

I mean, if you want to scare Nazis, REALLY scare Nazis, then yeah, showing up with a pistol in protest/counter-protest sounds like the easiest way to do it to me.

We lost the fight for gun control, might as well reap the benefits of gun culture to our own ends.

Red Baron
Mar 9, 2007

ty slumfrog :)

coyo7e posted:

If we were right leaning we would be bemoaning the fact that nobodu was carrying and couldve magdumped into that Charger's driverside window.. Otherwise no, i cannot fathom a reason i would bring a weapon to a rally or a protest for anything unless i expected and wanted to engage in lethal combat.

In fairness, at this point all rallies are going to have Nazis at them and there's already blood in the water. Exercise your second amendment rights, people. It is possibly this very situation we find ourselves in that gave birth to that freedom.

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse

Condiv posted:

how....

how would he use this to unite the country? his little thugs murdered a peaceful protester and injured many more

Well, e could start by condemning Nazis and (empty) promising everyone that justice will be done. At least then there's some ground to work with rather than driving that wedge deeper as he has

Mechafunkzilla
Sep 11, 2006

If you want a vision of the future...

Vintersorg posted:

Does America have anti-hate speech laws like us Canadians?

No, this is why America has a healthy discourse about things like race and Canada has fallen down the slippery slope of imprisoning journalists and socialists.

Casey Finnigan
Apr 30, 2009

Dumb ✔
So goddamn crazy ✔

PainterofCrap posted:

So...?


Agreed.

If memory serves the permit was revoked because of this.


Care to elucidate?

In a perfect society, Nazis could march peacefully (no loving torches and no loving guns), and their lovely worthless ideas could be drowned out by peaceful counterprotest. But these people are flying the flag that represents a regime that wiped out 40% of Jews in the world, and they want to go way the gently caress out of their way to terrorize and provoke. I personally wouldn't be able to keep my cool.

There don't need to be new laws on the books, police need to realize that Nazism and white supremacy are violent ideologies and violence will always follow in their wake when they're given a long leash like they are.

Pentecoastal Elites
Feb 27, 2007

PainterofCrap posted:

Care to elucidate?

Annointed posted:

"They're Nazis"
"So what if they're Nazis..."

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
THAT_QUOTE_ABOUT_NOT_NEGOTIATING_WITH_NAZIS.TXT

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Red Baron posted:

You should go to as many protests as you can, and you should counter-protest them. You don't need to instigate, these assholes will do it for you, because they're loving NAZIS.

Wake up and hear the klaxons, dude.


Um yeah. This is currently working and has worked in the very recent past. As it turns out, most of these people like to keep their fun fascism away from their everyday life. You tie their real world to their hosed up activities and doooooooooooown they go.

This post enunciates more or less my current position.

Oppose the Nazis in force collectively, and expose them individually to the public response they deserve.

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

R. Guyovich posted:

lysenkoism was corrected and in spite of it the soviet union managed to have the most educated population in the history of the world. cheers

oh well then i guess it doesnt count as state ideology in science

they corrected it

decades later

after stalin died

i guess that makes it all better

Pembroke Fuse
Dec 29, 2008

Dapper_Swindler posted:

that pictures has always given me chills. i always wonder who the victim is, or if the nazi killing him is dead. did he get gutted horribly on the eastern front, or did he live out his days in ilgotten comfort.

I know there is no hell, and I know there is no cosmic justice... but if my metaphysics is wrong and an afterlife exists, I hope that sad sack of Nazi poo poo is being tortured somewhere for all eternity. Yes, I know that no one deserves eternal torture, but I'll fantasize about it anyway.

Kerning Chameleon
Apr 8, 2015

by Cyrano4747

The Cheshire Cat posted:

The reason they can't vocalize it is because you don't argue axioms. The idea that all human lives are fundamentally valuable is not something that should have to be PROVEN. If someone needs that explained to them, then they are already so far down the rabbit hole that it doesn't really matter what you say.

On the other hand, this could be used to say that Nazis' lives are fundamentally valuable, they've just an abhorrent choice.

PainterofCrap
Oct 17, 2002

hey bebe



Annointed posted:

"They're Nazis"
"So what if they're Nazis..."

Or Communists
Or Socialists
Or...

Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

PainterofCrap posted:

Jesus, the tone of this thread since Saturday is frightening.

How fast y'all went from a free and open forum to restricting free speech.


There is not law you will be able to pass to muzzle any one group, no matter how heinous they are, or are believed to be. It is a slippery slope.

For those that have expressed concerns that allowing these views to be aired will recruit more fascists and racists - well. maybe you should take a good look at how they wind up being receptive to such crap. Muzzling speech will not change that.

We preserve free speech in this country. If we start conflating the horrible things people or groups say with what they might do, we'll wind up back here, again:



I used to say this poo poo but seeing nazis invade my alma mater has made me feel differently. Restrict the speech of nazis with a loving blow to the throat.

mdemone
Mar 14, 2001

GreyjoyBastard posted:

I really hope our Nazis continue to be morons.

Fortunately, as history teaches us, fascists are quite rarely bright or competent. Those few cases in which it is otherwise can luckily be punched back into the obscurity of their bunkered basements, provided we catch them early enough in the infective process.

Casey Finnigan
Apr 30, 2009

Dumb ✔
So goddamn crazy ✔

evilweasel posted:

oh well then i guess it doesnt count as state ideology in science

they corrected it

decades later

after stalin died

i guess that makes it all better

I'm sure the geneticists that were executed for being right appreciated the correction

Mustached Demon
Nov 12, 2016

Vintersorg posted:

Does America have anti-hate speech laws like us Canadians?

It's based on whether or not the hate speech directly encouraged violence. Those WBC fuckers can protest funerals all they want, for example. However, one cannot incite a mob into a lynching.

Giggy
Jan 22, 2010

The Cheshire Cat posted:

The reason they can't vocalize it is because you don't argue axioms. The idea that all human lives are fundamentally valuable is not something that should have to be PROVEN. If someone needs that explained to them, then they are already so far down the rabbit hole that it doesn't really matter what you say.

I'm not talking about racism. I'm talking about all the other horrible things conservatives want and leftists hate.

The leftists I'm criticizing are really the white milqetoast liberals who use words of revolution without context.

Red Baron
Mar 9, 2007

ty slumfrog :)

PainterofCrap posted:

Or Communists
Or Socialists
Or...

Actually, no. Just Nazis right now.

Casey Finnigan
Apr 30, 2009

Dumb ✔
So goddamn crazy ✔

PainterofCrap posted:

Or Communists
Or Socialists
Or...

Are communists and socialists in this day and age shooting up churches and running down protesters and getting into violent altercations at every loving march and rally?

Nazis are a major social problem right now. Again. Did you forget what happened last time?

Pembroke Fuse
Dec 29, 2008

R. Guyovich posted:

lysenkoism was corrected and in spite of it the soviet union managed to have the most educated population in the history of the world. cheers

Lysenkosim sent many decent, competent scientists to their deaths in the Gulags and retarded Soviet agriculture for decades. Just like slavish, ideological adherence to Lamarkianism retarded Soviet biology for decades. Stop white-washing Stalinists, you loving dipshit.

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot

Kerning Chameleon posted:

I mean, if you want to scare Nazis, REALLY scare Nazis, then yeah, showing up with a pistol in protest/counter-protest sounds like the easiest way to do it to me.

We lost the fight for gun control, might as well reap the benefits of gun culture to our own ends.
NO.

There is absolutely no good that could come out of scattered BLM/etc protesters showing up with guns to confront hundreds of emboldened militiamen and nazis. It would be an absolute slaughter. The right has been masturbating over the chance at semi-justifiably shooting a bunch of "liberal gunmen" since MLK and Malcolm X.

coyo7e fucked around with this message at 03:06 on Aug 14, 2017

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty

PainterofCrap posted:

Or Communists
Or Socialists
Or...
You're either arguing in bad faith or just a huge stupid idiot. Commies and socialists didn't enact a war that spread across the entire world and caused the deaths of an incredible amount of people. Their entire ideology is based on the destruction of The Other, full stop, there is no negotiating with them. gently caress you.

stone cold
Feb 15, 2014

evilmiera posted:

Yeah at best he has made some questionable choices, but should not be on any kind of extremist list. But also never ever read or write the Mail is a good lesson to re-iterate to this thread.

:agreed:

yup, good thoughts all around

except it is spelled the heil, not the mail

socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003

Kerning Chameleon posted:

So, the Black Panther Open Carrying at a protest gets a tut-tut from you?

Cause these days, it sounds like carrying around a weapon for self-defence and deterrence at any kind of protest is sounding more and more wise.

Did the black panthers attack random innocent people or do a bunch of lynchings?

Kerning Chameleon
Apr 8, 2015

by Cyrano4747

coyo7e posted:

NO.

There is absolutely no good that could come out of scattered BLM/etc protesters showing up to confront hundreds of emboldened militiamen and nazis. It would be an absolute slaughter. The right has been masturbating over the chance at semi-justifiably shooting a bunch of "liberal gunmen" since MLK and Malcolm X.

Well, if the thread is to be believed, this is an inevitable outcome no matter what, so might as well arm up while its still legal, I say.

The Cheshire Cat
Jun 10, 2008

Fun Shoe

Kerning Chameleon posted:

On the other hand, this could be used to say that Nazis' lives are fundamentally valuable, they've just an abhorrent choice.

That's the difference though - they're arguing that people are inferior based on the circumstances of their birth. We're arguing that Nazis are poo poo because of the choices they've made.

Annointed
Mar 2, 2013

PainterofCrap posted:

Or Communists
Or Socialists
Or...

Are these groups tearing down society with violence, hate crimes, shooting protestors, running them over at every possible rally? No? Well I guess I don't know why you'd use those people. Or are you this desperate to defend Nazis?

Pembroke Fuse
Dec 29, 2008

Red Baron posted:

In fairness, at this point all rallies are going to have Nazis at them and there's already blood in the water. Exercise your second amendment rights, people. It is possibly this very situation we find ourselves in that gave birth to that freedom.

Get trained, get organized, get armed and get out there.

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evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

Casey Finnigan posted:

I'm sure the geneticists that were executed for being right appreciated the correction

i assumed when he said they corrected it they undid the executions with the intellectual power of the worlds most educated populace

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