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Are there any giant John Brown statues anywhere, or just that excellent mural? We should find out how much it would cost to mass-produce them and install them in every state that lost the war.
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Lemon King posted:A lot more than I expected.  loving Brazil?!
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SulphagneSocialist posted:Right. The takeaway for me is that we're at the point where his remaining support is resilient enough that it won't be shaken loose by events like this weekend, unless they're at a scale we really don't want happening like Katrina or 9/11, but it will diminish over time by pure force of attrition as people become disillusioned. i think this sums it up better: https://twitter.com/BenjySarlin/status/897152632787263492 he's managed to get this unpopular with a good economy and not a single real disaster. just imagine when that happens.
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Xombie posted:You guys can beat on Ohio all you want, but AFAIK, we have no confederate statues. Dude shoulda erected a statue of himself in every shithole Southern town he burned
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Aug 14, 2017 18:58
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It's like the guys that say Democrats were pro-Slavery and Lincoln was a Republican then in the next breath say that he was a tyrant and that maybe slavery was better for everyone. These guys know they are on the wrong side of history but they either don't give a poo poo or their brains have made these conflicting excuses because of could they couldn't be the baddies.Blue Footed Booby posted:
A bunch of confederates hosed off to South America after they lost their war.
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I know this is fringe nerd poo poo, but ... has Joss Whedon ever said retrospectively, he doesn't think Firefly's pseudo-confederacy style was that good an idea anymore?
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Aug 14, 2017 18:58
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evilweasel posted:i think this sums it up better: It's not gonna go any lower at that point. I think he's reached his floor.
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Aug 14, 2017 19:00
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Pollyanna posted:It's not gonna go any lower at that point. I think he's reached his floor. -someone before every new poll is released showing him somehow just a tiny bit lower than before
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Aug 14, 2017 19:00
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Blue Footed Booby posted:
Sure. Brazil still had slavery for like 20 years after the US civil war. The Confederacy and Brazil were united in wanting to uphold the economic order that profited by owning slaves.
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Aug 14, 2017 19:00
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Radish posted:It's like the guys that say Democrats were pro-Slavery and Lincoln was a Republican then in the next breath say that he was a tyrant and that maybe slavery was better for everyone. These guys know they are on the wrong side of history but they either don't give a poo poo or their brains have made these conflicting excuses because of could they couldn't be the baddies. This is is the mindset that Dinesh D'Souza uses when saying 'the democrats are the real Nazis!' by equating 1830s Jacksonian Democrats and post new deal Democrats.
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Aug 14, 2017 19:01
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Blue Footed Booby posted:
You know how a bunch of Nazis fled to South America? Guess who they got the idea from.
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Aug 14, 2017 19:01
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Pollyanna posted:It's not gonna go any lower at that point. I think he's reached his floor. the floor keeps eroding
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https://twitter.com/grayjustin/status/897153983009128449 Old buddy of mine, reporter in D.C.
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Aug 14, 2017 19:02
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There is no floor, the floor is a lie
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DreamShipWrecked posted:Not to mention that there is a nonzero chance that the dude radicalized just to piss off his parents This is some loving bullshit. Ain't no loving kid just to up and decide all other races are inferior just to make his parents mad. Nazzadan posted:The hot take in the online alt-right circle right now is that the Nazis are actually leftists It's not a hot take. These pieces of poo poo have been trying to pretend that Nazis were really socialist and therefore leftist, too.
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No Butt Stuff posted:-someone before every new poll is released showing him somehow just a tiny bit lower than before It's probably not going to get significantly lower just due to people that'll say anything on polls and his die hard base that don't see a better option.
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Aug 14, 2017 19:03
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Radish posted:
The Confederados are hilarious and almost worse than actual southerners. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D93o3kItF-E
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evilweasel posted:the floor keeps eroding Yeah but if you keep insisting this is the floor, eventually you'll be right. I mean what's he gonna do, hit negative approval ratings?
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Aug 14, 2017 19:04
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Azhais posted:It's probably not going to get significantly lower just due to people that'll say anything on polls and his die hard base that don't see a better option. bush II got to 25%
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Aug 14, 2017 19:04
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farraday posted:https://twitter.com/radleybalko/status/897146625516347393 Why the hell does a bust of this shithead even exist in a government building?
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Blue Footed Booby posted:This very page has a tweet about statues in Maryland. It was a lazy joke about minimums, Very lazy. Maryland is no surprise, family lived on baltimore's federal hill for 200 years. The union turned cannon on the city because they were so split in loyalty so close to Washington.
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Doobie nooooo....
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OhDearGodNo posted:Why the hell does a bust of this shithead even exist in a government building? to remind black people that the north may have won the war, but the south won the peace, so don't even think about agitating for civil rights
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Ralepozozaxe posted:Who will be the first conservative politician to praise Trump for his second response. Place your bets. I guarantee you Sean Hannity has already said saomething about it.
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Cingulate posted:I know this is fringe nerd poo poo, but ... has Joss Whedon ever said retrospectively, he doesn't think Firefly's pseudo-confederacy style was that good an idea anymore? what also shutup
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FizFashizzle posted:https://twitter.com/grayjustin/status/897153983009128449 Doctor Butts posted:This is some loving bullshit. Ain't no loving kid just to up and decide all other races are inferior just to make his parents mad. So it was necessary to get rid of the socialism and preserve the nationalism to actually start doing the truly awful poo poo. I think there might be a lesson somewhere in this.
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Lemon King posted:A lot more than I expected. Ha, Stone Mountain's on that list. Birthplace of Klan's 2nd Reich. You haven't lived until you've seen our Confederate heroes rendered upon largest bas-relief carving in the world on the world's largest chunk of exposed granite. Go during the Laser Show and Stonewall Jackson, Robert E. Lee, and Jefferson Davis ride off the mountain in a blaze of high-intensity lasers to the tune of, and this is ironic the Star Spangled Banner. Although it could have been the Elvis' cover of Dixie.
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Blue Footed Booby posted:This very page has a tweet about statues in Maryland. I've lived here my whole life and just found out this existed.
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Cingulate posted:Well before the Roehm putsch and the gutting of the SA and before Goebbels realised he'd have to adapt to stay alive, it wasn't totally misleading for them to call themselves National Socialist. my vague recollection is that the "socialist" part was sort of a relic of the pre-hitler ideology and hitler never paid any attention to it after he got control of the party (or really to any of the formal ideology of the party aside from the racism and the 'leader principle')
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Pollyanna posted:It's not gonna go any lower at that point. I think he's reached his floor. His floor is 20%.
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Prokhor Zakharov posted:You just need to ask 'how many states have large concentrations of racists' for the answer. These monuments were all built in modern times to intimidate blacks/minorities, they serve no cultural or historical purpose. way less than 50 states have confederate memorials Krispy Kareem posted:Ha, Stone Mountain's on that list. Birthplace of Klan's 2nd Reich. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLaQWFJTPG0&t=83s boner confessor fucked around with this message at 19:11 on Aug 14, 2017 |
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sharknado slashfic posted:I've lived here my whole life and just found out this existed. Outside of Baltimore, it's suburbs, and the DC suburbs, Maryland is redneck as gently caress, so it's not really that surprising?
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Krispy Kareem posted:Ha, Stone Mountain's on that list. Birthplace of Klan's 2nd Reich. When my sister moved to Georgia she told them about the racism, but their inaugural moment was when they were taken to Stone Mountain. My father told my mother it was like mount rushmore in an alt-nazi universe.
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I'm just posting this because I really like that it's teen vogue https://twitter.com/TeenVogue/status/897100521357676544
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OhDearGodNo posted:Why the hell does a bust of this shithead even exist in a government building? "The arrival of the Confederate Centennial Celebration in 1961 revitalized interest in the Confederate States of America, and in the Sons of Confederate Veterans, resulting in the resurrection of the camp in Nashville. A new charter for General Joseph E. Johnston Camp No. 28 was issued by the General Headquarters on September 25, 1962. ...The bust, sculpted by Jane Baxendale, wife of the late Albert Baxendale, a former member of Camp No. 28, was placed in the capitol on November 5, 1978. " I mean, who knows why a bunch of people suddenly got interested in the Confederacy again in the 60s. It's a doozy of a head scratcher.
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Krispy Kareem posted:Ha, Stone Mountain's on that list. Birthplace of Klan's 2nd Reich. The actual mountain makes for a very nice casual hike though.
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Pollyanna posted:It's not gonna go any lower at that point. I think he's reached his floor. It's going to get much lower. These are the first numbers and people are still in disbelief and shock at the president not slamming Nazis for two days. Then this tepid bullshit comes out. I say in three to four days he's going to go into a rage about getting his arm twisted and will back the Nazis again in a public way. He's pathologically inclined to do it. I think what's more important though is that his disapproval numbers are rocketing upwards faster than his approval numbers. This poo poo is polarizing. He'll be at an average of 32% approval rating by this time next week. More if there are some domestic terrorism attacks (that actually work).
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evilweasel posted:its worth remembering that just because someone is a garbage person doesn't mean their family is: welp that's sobering as hell
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evilweasel posted:my vague recollection is that the "socialist" part was sort of a relic of the pre-hitler ideology and hitler never paid any attention to it after he got control of the party (or really to any of the formal ideology of the party aside from the racism and the 'leader principle') And Goebbels was always a bit ... out there.
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Prester Jane posted:To riff on this a bit I have been thinking of a way for the left to fight the "meme war" in a meaningful way.While the left can never compete on quantity of meme's, they can certainly win any war based on quality. So if there was an effort among online leftists to produce high-quality meme's I think we could turn the tide in the Meme-war. We could also effectively fight Pepe by diluting his meaning into nothingness with a Dadae-sque assault of high-quality memes that incorporate Pepe into either nonsensical contexts or contexts guaranteed to enrage the alt-right. Plan A: punch nazis is still the best solution. memes are empowering because of the irreverence they represent. And that irreverence carries well to racist bullying, of the "only joking but not really" bullying style. You can't really authentically co opt that irreverence, because as Sartre points out, your side is bound by the requirement that Words Mean Things whereas theirs is not. Any attempt at it would get spotted out as inauthentic immediately. It's like the victim of bullying who tries to adopt his bullies insults in the "actually, I'm cool and don't really care" defence. Nope, you do care, and "caring" is immediately sniffed out as weakness. But at the same time memes are a double edged sword, sites like 4chan (and this one sometimes) have a strong undercurrent of self loathing to them. Everyone is acutely aware they are participating in some basement dweller poo poo and are quick to turn on each other with that insult as soon as weakness is detected. nazis don't care about reason, but they are extremely sensitive to shame and embarrassment. Ironic racism stops being funny when you take it outside and your smirk and meme shirt gets immediately get met with a hail of angry black fists. You just kinda look like a loser. There's already a minor backlash on 4chan against the march, calling the participants "LARPERs" ( i.e. Dumb nerds who brought their nerd poo poo into real life). Basically that video where Richard Spencer starts describing Pepe and gets smacked in the side of the head but x100. massive spider fucked around with this message at 19:17 on Aug 14, 2017 |
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